US fires tear gas at migrants at border

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1 minute ago, nicolasrumet said:

If these guys seek protection why don't they seek asylum in Mexico. Asylum law states that you must seek asylum in the first country you enter.

I don't think they really seek protection. They are coming here for more economic reasons. And quite frankly, asylum is meant to help people whose lives are in danger, again, like LGBT members who are threatened by imprisonment or death in their home countries, not people who are looking for a job and a better life.

Because Mexico is not designated as a safe third world country. They don’t have the same guidelines protecting asylum seekers. 

You think wrong, then. These people are running from extreme gang violence and threats on their lives and their children’s lives. LGBT individuals are not the only ones in danger. Women and children are also in highly dangerous situations, as well as many males trying to escape gang threats. 

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People really defending using tear gas on children seeking asylum... words cannot express my deep, deep depression over suck evil. People really are ugly on the inside  

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16 minutes ago, nicolasrumet said:

Asylum law states that you must seek asylum in the first country you enter.

BS

 

Migrants aren’t obligated to claim asylum in any country, but have a right to seek asylum in a country of their choosing, the right to a fair process in that country, and crucially, a right not to be sent back to a country where they will face persecution – or even death.

https://www.amnestyusa.org/everyone-has-the-right-to-seek-asylum/

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Whispering said:

Mexico is not designated as a “safe third world country” by the United States. Therefore, Mexico is not under the guidelines you are referring to. 

These individuals have every right to apply for asylum in the United States. They may well be denied, but they have a legal right to apply. 

Border wall is suppose to prevent unlawful crossings...the asylum seekers aren't the problem. 

A larger processing staff, upgraded facilities to hold those waiting would go a lot further to 'aecure' than a wall.

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2 hours ago, Whispering said:

Because Mexico is not designated as a safe third world country. They don’t have the same guidelines protecting asylum seekers. 

You think wrong, then. These people are running from extreme gang violence and threats on their lives and their children’s lives. LGBT individuals are not the only ones in danger. Women and children are also in highly dangerous situations, as well as many males trying to escape gang threats. 

Violence is in so many places.

Even Brazil is arguably violent. Africa etc... Does it mean all of those people are eligible to live here? As generous as americans can be, there can't be room for everyone really. The asylum system SHOULD NOT TAKE MORE THAN IT CAN PROCESS.

What's the point of overloading the system and ruin the lives of ALL asylum seekers since their cases get stuck in the system for many years? They can't go to school, often times they can't find jobs since they only have short term authorizations, they can't travel etc...

The population of those countries leaving and resettling in the U.S won't solve the gang violence problem. Asylum is meant to protect certain social/religious groups that are being discriminated against, not entire populations of other countries. 80% of these people lose their cases in court. So there's clearly a lot of them that aren't genuine asylum seekers.

 

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1 hour ago, Woolfsmck said:

Border wall is suppose to prevent unlawful crossings...the asylum seekers aren't the problem. 

A larger processing staff, upgraded facilities to hold those waiting would go a lot further to 'aecure' than a wall.

They are closing points of entry for asylum seekers. 

There are two ways to ask for asylum, either at the border at a point of entry or once you get inside the country.

I absolutely agree, they need more staff and more resources...not a wall. 

Fifty per cent of those who apply for asylum do so from inside the country. 

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3 hours ago, nicolasrumet said:

If these guys seek protection why don't they seek asylum in Mexico. Asylum law states that you must seek asylum in the first country you enter.

I don't think they really seek protection. They are coming here for more economic reasons. And quite frankly, asylum is meant to help people whose lives are in danger, again, like LGBT members who are threatened by imprisonment or death in their home countries, not people who are looking for a job and a better life.

And you know every single individual reason? No, you don’t. 

Some people are running from gang violence among other things. 

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20 minutes ago, nicolasrumet said:

Violence is in so many places.

Even Brazil is arguably violent. Africa etc... Does it mean all of those people are eligible to live here? As generous as americans can be, there can't be room for everyone really. The asylum system SHOULD NOT TAKE MORE THAN IT CAN PROCESS.

What's the point of overloading the system and ruin the lives of ALL asylum seekers since their cases get stuck in the system for many years? They can't go to school, often times they can't find jobs since they only have short term authorizations, they can't travel etc...

The population of those countries leaving and resettling in the U.S won't solve the gang violence problem. Asylum is meant to protect certain social/religious groups that are being discriminated against, not entire populations of other countries. 80% of these people lose their cases in court. So there's clearly a lot of them that aren't genuine asylum seekers.

 

Yes, there is violence in all corners of the world. The US happens to be closest to Central American countries that are experiencing violence. Still, the majority of those approved for asylum are not from these countries. 

No one said that the US should take in everyone from all over the world. First world countries, wealthier nations and countries that want to help take refugees close to their borders. 

The system is overloaded due to gridlock in the government and fewer resources being allocated to immigration and refugee services. Asylum seekers can and do work and go to school. An asylee, or a person granted asylum, is protected from being returned to his or her home country, is authorized to work in the United States, may apply for a Social Security card, may request permission to travel overseas, and can petition to bring family members to the United States. Asylees may also be eligible certain benefits, such as Medicaid or Refugee Medical Assistance.

Again, no one said we were solving gang violence in those countries. We are attempting to help those who are in immediate danger from violence. 

To qualify for asylum, foreign nationals must establish that they have a fear of persecution in their home country based on their race, religion, nationality, political opinion or “membership in a particular social group.” That broad category in the past had included victims of domestic violence and other abuse, including from gangs. 

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14 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Yes, there is violence in all corners of the world. The US happens to be closest to Central American countries that are experiencing violence. Still, the majority of those approved for asylum are not from these countries. 

No one said that the US should take in everyone from all over the world. First world countries, wealthier nations and countries that want to help take refugees close to their borders. 

The system is overloaded due to gridlock in the government and fewer resources being allocated to immigration and refugee services. Asylum seekers can and do work and go to school. An asylee, or a person granted asylum, is protected from being returned to his or her home country, is authorized to work in the United States, may apply for a Social Security card, may request permission to travel overseas, and can petition to bring family members to the United States. Asylees may also be eligible certain benefits, such as Medicaid or Refugee Medical Assistance.

Again, no one said we were solving gang violence in those countries. We are attempting to help those who are in immediate danger from violence. 

To qualify for asylum, foreign nationals must establish that they have a fear of persecution in their home country based on their race, religion, nationality, political opinion or “membership in a particular social group.” That broad category in the past had included victims of domestic violence and other abuse, including from gangs. 

1. Often times, in most universities, pending asylees will have to pay out of state tuition regardless of whether they reside in that state or not. That's like x3 the cost of going to school, which most can't afford anyway. So their education is interrupted.

2. DHS issues one-year long authorizations for employment for people awaiting asylum decision. Often times, employers wouldn't want to invest in someone they can only hire for one year. So most jobs reject that type of EADs... 

3. You can't travel, you have to petition for a special permission. And that permission is ONLY granted if there's a compelling reason for the travel like medical reasons etc... So imagine being technically banned from traveling for 4 years? Finding it hard to find a job because of temporary authorizations, can't afford to go to school, because it costs x3 for you..

So why make life hell for all asylum seekers?

There are 809,041 cases still undecided right now!

And how the system works right now. Those coming in will take priority over people who have been waiting for years. So basically, those people who have been waiting for years, will get stuck even more as new people come in.

It's a nightmare. Really do your own research. The U.S simply can't take more, for the sake of asylum seekers themselves! Let's finish hearing all of their cases and then take more. But having hundreds of thousands of them being stuck in the system forever living in uncertainty, just to keep letting new people come in, is very unfair to them.

 

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2 hours ago, nicolasrumet said:

1. Often times, in most universities, pending asylees will have to pay out of state tuition regardless of whether they reside in that state or not. That's like x3 the cost of going to school, which most can't afford anyway. So their education is interrupted.

2. DHS issues one-year long authorizations for employment for people awaiting asylum decision. Often times, employers wouldn't want to invest in someone they can only hire for one year. So most jobs reject that type of EADs... 

3. You can't travel, you have to petition for a special permission. And that permission is ONLY granted if there's a compelling reason for the travel like medical reasons etc... So imagine being technically banned from traveling for 4 years? Finding it hard to find a job because of temporary authorizations, can't afford to go to school, because it costs x3 for you..

So why make life hell for all asylum seekers?

There are 809,041 cases still undecided right now!

And how the system works right now. Those coming in will take priority over people who have been waiting for years. So basically, those people who have been waiting for years, will get stuck even more as new people come in.

It's a nightmare. Really do your own research. The U.S simply can't take more, for the sake of asylum seekers themselves! Let's finish hearing all of their cases and then take more. But having hundreds of thousands of them being stuck in the system forever living in uncertainty, just to keep letting new people come in, is very unfair to them.

 

This information is from the American Immigration Council.

The US will and can continue to accept asylum seekers, as they are a signatory to the 1967 Protocol, and through U.S. immigration law. The United States has legal obligations to provide protection to those who qualify as refugees.

1. My reference was to K-12, which is free and guaranteed to citizens. Colleg3 is not free or guaranteed to citizens or refugees. 

2. The employment rate is at a place where people are needed, even for a year. There is always opportunities to work for individuals , which is far more money than they would make in Central America. 

3. Four years in a trade for your life. That’s a small price to pay. You could be back in the country where your life is in danger. 

1,000 days is the average amount of time it takes to be approved. That’s not “forever”. 

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Why don’t they just stop pursuing this illegal activity? 

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28 minutes ago, Pacify Him said:

Why don’t they just stop pursuing this illegal activity? 

Seeking Asylum isn’t illegal. 

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1 minute ago, Whispering said:

Seeking Asylum isn’t illegal. 

150 people are seeking Asylum? 

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1 minute ago, Pacify Him said:

150 people are seeking Asylum? 

Tens of thousands do every year. 

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Just now, Whispering said:

Tens of thousands do every year. 

Can’t believe my taxes are feeding tens of thousands of ‘Asylum’ seekers. Something is wrong here