Louis CK performs damaging stand up

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He's definitely writing "jokes" to a certain audience now. What a loser. 

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13 hours ago, Morphine Prince said:

 However, this was painfully unfunny and way too offensive. 

 

The parkland bit was the worst part, they are the latest victims to a mass shooting, they were in the line of fire, and their lives were turned upside down, but somehow they're just supposed to forget and be kids? They don't have a right to talk about it? They lived through a nightmare that is just WAITING to happen again. What a ****ing moron.

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20 hours ago, That J said:

I think they find it funny because to a 50 year old seeing a "child" tell them what is right or wrong, etc...makes them laugh or pisses them off to the point where it becomes easy to laugh at. 

Dont blame me for trying to understand. Lol

I want to look at the clip this way, I really do, but... it's just so subpar to his earlier work, also not well thought out at all - he used to be very inventive with his delivery... Nerdwriter has a good video on what made a Louis CK joke work and as natural as they sound, they're very precise, or at least used to be...

Also I find it hard to immerse myself in his or anyone's stand up when all I can think of are the half-a-dozen counterarguments to it... And mind you, it has nothing to do with political leanings (I had a very similar reaction to Wanda Sykes' last specials), and btw I LOVE dark humour, but this isn't really dark, it's just lazy and poorly-written, and these people sound like they threw in the towel 

 

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5 hours ago, ThatBish said:

His job is to make people laugh and by the sounds of it, he got people roaring in that crowd. Heck he even got me laughing sat watching through a screen, not even in the audience and taken out of context. 

Just because you think it's lazy doesn't mean he didn't do his job. Yes I agree we can critique everyone so we will just have to agree on our differences of opinion here. 

I dislike a lot of comedians even though they might have what you think is necessary for standup and I find a lot of comedians funny who probably don't subscribe to your standards.

It's just comedy, yes it can be a craft and a profession but we find it everywhere. It doesn't always need to be this highly concocted recipe. Sometimes we just find things funny. You'd be surprised how many comedians have great sets and a stupid non-sensical style to their work.

 

Not all comedy has to but I do firmly believe that if you’re going to “go there” with comedy, you have a responsibility to know what you’re talking about. Otherwise what you paint for your audiences are caricatures of the groups that you’re disparaging and that dehumanizes them. To many people, comedians help form opinions on things in social conversation. To that end, is it not the responsibility of someone with as much clout as Louis C.K. to know what he’s talking about before delivering his views to an audience?

I don’t like the idea that we shouldn’t assign importance to comedy and that we see it as a less serious art form. You’re right, we do find it everywhere. In this case it’s from a professional who couldn’t be bothered to do his homework. Of course he made people laugh from this: people have been attacking the queer community for ages. But if he’s going to stand up there and rattle off with some kind of authority on a group of people he does not belong to, the minimum obligation is to not potentially make the world a more dangerous place for them by painting them in hideously ignorant broadstrokes.

Again, the stupid and nonsensical content is fine, but if you’re going to go into “racy territory” you need to back it up with something a little more than a “your mom” joke. As you said, comedy exists everywhere. These jokes in particular you could find *anywhere* because they’re so pedestrian and middle of the road. But I don’t go to the movies to see average people and situations and I don’t look to a professional to tell me jokes I could and definitely did make up in some form when I was 11.

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Not the biggest fan of him and never was to begin with but I did find the start of it a bit funny when he said that young people nowadays are more boring than the oldies. One of the very few times I've actually laughed at one of his jokes. Never before have I seen a generation that is so perpetually offended and oversensitive. They're crazier than ever but in a way I've never seen before, in a way that's going to have dire consequences if we don't start putting our foot down over all this nonsense. He's right when he calls them out for saying "they tell you how to address them now, like they're royalty." I think that's what gets a lot of backs up - telling someone how they should address you suggests you think you're superior to everyone else and you should be granted a term that normal people don't, that you're too good to fit into the accepted social norms that everyone else operates by.

But after that, it all went downhill, depressingly so. If you want to do dark humour, you have to do it right, you have to be intelligent about it, you have to insightful and clever about it. That's something that Louis has never done. His jokes have always been childish and badly delivered. 9 times out of 10, whenever I've seen a claim that a fellow comedian has "stolen" one of his jokes, I say that the thief told it better. Louis's never had that spark about his comedy and I've usually sat there with a straight faced expression the whole time. For someone who's been in the game as long as he has, he is shockingly so level one. Never understood how he had such a hit comedy show or that he's still going.

On 12/31/2018 at 5:22 PM, ZacharyMark said:

These jokes aren't funny at all...

These people wouldn't be laughing if it were minorities making constant bad jokes about white people... Typical white people.

It's also dangerous what he said about gender identity and such too. These people will laugh and see how "bad" and "weird" it is. It's a cycle and why our young people continue to kill themselves or be killed. 

Also, there would be plenty of young people willing to do drugs, and they still do, but we imprison them: black,brown people. White people just don't get it. Do all the drugs YOU want, but y'all ain't getting targeted...

He's pathetic.

Why do you assume that everyone laughing is white? Do you think only whites find humour like this funny? You're saying how bad generalising is but apparently, it's ok to do it for whites? For the record, I have rarely seen whites accept racist jokes from stand-up comedians, no matter what race its levelled at, whether it's shouting that it's unacceptable or leaving. If you want your claims of racial ill treatment to be taken seriously, perhaps don't say "typical *insert race here* people." Ever.

And there are people genuinely identifying as completely off-the-wall things now and if society just accepts it, things will be very difficult for us. A lot of these new identities are made up, they aren't scientifically proven, they seem almost designed just to annoy cisgender people. The whole thing just screams "fad" because it certainly didn't exist until a few years ago. If someone asked me the question "what are your pronouns and how do you identify?" just 3 years ago, I wouldn't have had a clue what that meant. I'd have to remind myself what "pronoun" means again and assume the identify question was about national/cultural identity or something. If such identities were really around since time began as these people claim, we would have heard about them a long time ago. It's very telling that it's only come about in the modern age, when people are richer and more privileged than ever, so they have the time set aside to overthink things and come up with preposterous theories. I'd have a much easier time respecting holders of such identities if they just kept this identity among those that mattered but just went by male or female in the real world because most of us define gender by what's between your legs along with some other physical features and everything else is personality. Gender identity is one thing, saying it's just gender alone doesn't cut it.

And seriously, white people never get arrested for drug-taking and drug possession? You clearly have never hung around many white people because that's very delusional. I've seen something as low level as cannabis result in expulsions, firings and prison sentences for white people. Maybe you've just misinterpreted it because the white celebrities get away with it. But so do the POC celebrities. Hello, black rappers sing about drugs in their lyrics all the time and never get busted for it. The rich and famous get away with everything. Normal people don't.

I'm not defending Louis's comedy, by the way. I just wanted to pick up on some stuff you said.

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5 hours ago, Ziggy said:

Not all comedy has to but I do firmly believe that if you’re going to “go there” with comedy, you have a responsibility to know what you’re talking about. Otherwise what you paint for your audiences are caricatures of the groups that you’re disparaging and that dehumanizes them. To many people, comedians help form opinions on things in social conversation. To that end, is it not the responsibility of someone with as much clout as Louis C.K. to know what he’s talking about before delivering his views to an audience?

I don’t like the idea that we shouldn’t assign importance to comedy and that we see it as a less serious art form. You’re right, we do find it everywhere. In this case it’s from a professional who couldn’t be bothered to do his homework. Of course he made people laugh from this: people have been attacking the queer community for ages. But if he’s going to stand up there and rattle off with some kind of authority on a group of people he does not belong to, the minimum obligation is to not potentially make the world a more dangerous place for them by painting them in hideously ignorant broadstrokes.

Again, the stupid and nonsensical content is fine, but if you’re going to go into “racy territory” you need to back it up with something a little more than a “your mom” joke. As you said, comedy exists everywhere. These jokes in particular you could find *anywhere* because they’re so pedestrian and middle of the road. But I don’t go to the movies to see average people and situations and I don’t look to a professional to tell me jokes I could and definitely did make up in some form when I was 11.

Look why are you reading so deep into it, it's just one comedy set and as much as you think that it's going to somehow shape people opinions on whole groups of people, it really wont. No one is that easily influenced and if they are then they are always going to be that ignorant and they will always have a caricatured view of people until they interact with them. 

Look, I never said it wasn't a serious artform or less important. I just think we live in a world where people take this so seriously. He isn't attacking anyone. Stop using such a strong word for something it doesn't apply to. I've been attacked for being gay, physically and verbally and believe me this doesn't come anywhere close. Yes, what he says is somewhat ignorant in nature and exaggerated but do you know how most comedy works? Most comedy exaggerates the truth of situations to turn ordinary and relatable things into something a whole audience can laugh at. Believe me no one is leaving that show having changed their view of minorities because of it. Are we going to say that he attacked every millenial? Are we going to say he changed everyones view on the younger generation? Did he really just come for me being young? There's worse things going on in this world to be so affected by this. Maybe our time would be better spent focusing on that instead.

As for your last paragraph. If that's not what you look for in comedy then that's fine, it's clearly not for you. But that doesn't mean it doesn't work for others. Why are we trying to take all the humour out of this world? Yes comedians can definitely cross the line. But this wasn't one of those times. 

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just waiting for him to make the wrong joke in front of the wrong crowd