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18 hours ago, gypsy101 said:

it does kind of have racist undertones because of the implication that pop is white and hip-hop/urban is black. especially when you consider some of the producers/songwriters involved in the eras you’ve deemed superior to the ones you don’t. that’s where it may come off as kind of discriminatory imo

 

17 hours ago, FfFfFfFF said:

 

15 hours ago, NewYorkCity said:

So people can't dislike urban music because that makes them racist... lol

 

15 hours ago, berlinforme said:

Someone says they don't like urban music and they're immediately deemed racist for not liking black music, black artists and black people in general... Maybe some people should re-evaluate their perspective and not put everything in a race-context 

 

13 hours ago, Borislshere said:

I hope she continues with the "urban" sound. Her last two albums weren't targeted to white gays and pop music fans. It was closer to her roots which I love. 

 

4 hours ago, MJHolland said:

What is urban music tho? Hip hop? Rap? R&b? All of those?

Beyoncé doesn’t exclusively make any of those. Let’s face it - “urban” is code for black. 

And i’m Inclined to not give you the benefit of the doubt when you calls her HUSBAND and father to 3 children her “baby daddy”... lol 

Getting real petty here by multi quoting everyone 

BUT to those claiming people who don’t like urban/hip hop/rap - please realize that we LOVE Beyonce when she’s singing hits like Sweet Dreams Love On Top If I we’re A boy Single Ladies Crazy In Love SHES STILL BLACK. NO MATTER WHAT SHES SINGING.  How is we racist if we like a black artist when they sing one genre over another ????????? 

as I said before, this whole conversation was about MUSIC. Not skin color !!!!!

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5 minutes ago, Gracious Gaga said:

 

 

 

 

 

Getting real petty here by multi quoting everyone 

BUT to those claiming people who don’t like urban/hip hop/rap - please realize that we LOVE Beyonce when she’s singing hits like Sweet Dreams Love On Top If I we’re A boy Single Ladies Crazy In Love SHES STILL BLACK. NO MATTER WHAT SHES SINGING.  How is we racist if we like a black artist when they sing one genre over another ????????? 

as I said before, this whole conversation was about MUSIC. Not skin color !!!!!

Before you go multi quoting, where In that quote did I call you racist? 

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36 minutes ago, Gracious Gaga said:

 

 

 

 

 

Getting real petty here by multi quoting everyone 

BUT to those claiming people who don’t like urban/hip hop/rap - please realize that we LOVE Beyonce when she’s singing hits like Sweet Dreams Love On Top If I we’re A boy Single Ladies Crazy In Love SHES STILL BLACK. NO MATTER WHAT SHES SINGING.  How is we racist if we like a black artist when they sing one genre over another ????????? 

as I said before, this whole conversation was about MUSIC. Not skin color !!!!!

Hi. I called your post racially-charged because the term "baby daddy" was invented by white people to describe unmarried black fathers that don't typically help raise their children 

Jay-Z has been her HUSBAND for a decade now. 

You used a racially-charged word to paint a black father and husband in an inaccurate and misleading way. Then you complained about them sounding too "urban". If you do not see how this comes off as racist, you might want to log off ig and evaluate how you treat other people. 

cc: @NewYorkCity Sweetie, if you still do not understand by now, I'm linking you to this (final) reply. 

Keep it classy, ladies! 

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7 hours ago, Bio said:

Oh wow someone said you’re racist because you don’t like black people in general? Oh wow, the world we live in these days, oh wow. 

Oh come on, that's totally proving my point! Taking it out of context like that. The user said, he didn't like urban music and then people were saying, it's because he doesn't like basically anything black. Totally exaggerated. 

I absolurely get the 'baby daddy' connotation MJHolland was referring to but the urban -> exclusively black thing? That's just too generalized in my opinion. 

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On 12/22/2018 at 9:39 PM, MJHolland said:

this feels so racially charged sister please nnn

Same. I got the hives reading it 

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12 hours ago, NewYorkCity said:

Did I say I am not interested on new beyonce music? I own all of her albums so yeah. I was just saying that people can not like urban music without being racists.

btw, I live in Spain, one of the countries with the biggest community of gypsies in the world.... and you know what? I don't know what else to call them, because that's what they call themselves here, that's how they wanna be called by everyone here, and that's how everyone calls them. Because for them it is like calling a French French, an Italian Italian or a German German.  it is not racist nor pejorative. you will hear them all on TV, on streets and I even know gypsies (I am a teacher an I teach their kids) and that's what they call themselves. Things change from one country to another, so nope, I am not racist for calling them gypsies. 

So, take into account that people here come from different countries, and what you consider racist because of your culture or history, is not racist in other places because it was never meant to be an insult or to humiliate any group of people.

I only said that I never spoke about the "baby daddy" or whatever he called them, I was just pointing out that not liking the kind of music beyonce is doing now doesn't make you racist, even if you don't like any type of tipically or originally black music, that's not racist.

And the urban thing, I was just pointing out that there's a genre called that, Beyonce releases music under that genre, she gets nominated and gets awards for that genre (doesn't seem too bothered by that, btw)so...

 

 

Not to be a total a*****e, but if you aren’t from America I don’t think you can really make judgments on what is and is not racist here. As you’ve pointed out, different countries operate under different cultural contexts. For instance, have you *ever* heard of a white woman’s husband referred to as her “baby daddy”? I don’t mean one time or two, not a piecemeal “oh I found something minuscule the internet’s basement in an attempt to justify my perspective”, I mean a large number of instances that would indicate cultural relevance and common acceptance of the term being used in that manner. No. You don’t hear that because most typically it is used in a uncomfortably racial context to refer to black couples (or used within the black community). Just because a handful of ignorant white gays bought black culture via Nicki Minaj music and online memes doesn’t change the fact that there is specific racial connotation to certain expressions and most definitely when used in certain nuanced contexts like in this case. Language is not a black and white situation even and especially when it comes to matters of race. It’s the same as when white gays speak in those black woman-reminiscent “sassy” tones or when white girls get “boxer braids”. They may have adopted typically black tropes, but that doesn’t remove said tropes of their race-based origins.

 

And with regards to “urban music”. 1) Your point about it not being code for black is only relevant when the artists nominated are not black. Again, I don’t mean exceptions like Emininem (who btw gets there after adopting traditional black musical stylings), I mean when a significant ratio of the nominees and well-known artists of this category are white, then we can say it isn’t race-based. As a genre “urban and r&b” has typically been the lump category for black music. If you listen to “urban radio” who do you hear? Black artists predominantly. That’s the point. Now, having defined that, 2) the dude saying he didn’t like it was not what made the statement racially charged, that’s ridiculous. It was the fact that they called Jay-Z, a billionaire businessman who is not afforded the same prestigious clout as other, white billionaires by being demaned and referred to as nothing more than a “baby daddy” (again, culturally. I don’t give two hoots about billionaires, but we see the white ones as separate from the black ones), the poster then goes on to say that Beyoncé better not release any more of that “urban sh**”. It is the totality of the statement that gives it its racial tone. It does not matter if that was the conscious intent or not insofar as what was said is what was said. It was not put delicately as you’ve made it sound. He did not say that he “did not like Beyoncé’s urban sound and wished she would do something more pop” he instead opted for a grammatical construction that gave off an air of race-based superiority dismissal and disgust for her marriage and her music. Both “critiques” (if they can be called that) were delivered using race-specific tones. I also don’t know why people like to go between white people when determining what’s racist or not because that makes about as much sense as my consulting a possum on quantum physics. Tf are non-black people going to know or be able to assess with any authority what is racist against black people when it doesn’t actually affect us personally? What I mean to say is, if you are so vehemently against the idea that this post had racist tones coloring it, ask an American black person to read it and ask them what the they thought. Racism isn’t always operating in the conscious or explicit communications between people; in America especially, racism has largely been operating more covertly and implicitly for decades and that post is an example of that.

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10 hours ago, MJHolland said:

Hi. I called your post racially-charged because the term "baby daddy" was invented by white people to describe unmarried black fathers that don't typically help raise their children 

Jay-Z has been her HUSBAND for a decade now. 

You used a racially-charged word to paint a black father and husband in an inaccurate and misleading way. Then you complained about them sounding too "urban". If you do not see how this comes off as racist, you might want to log off ig and evaluate how you treat other people. 

cc: @NewYorkCity Sweetie, if you still do not understand by now, I'm linking you to this (final) reply. 

Keep it classy, ladies! 

It did come off racially charged lol but I hate diving groups of people because the world crazy af right now. No need to argue, just restate what you were trying to say and watch what you say next time. End of discussion. But I know what style of pop you are referring to (2000-2010. Heavily electronic) and while I miss it sometimes, the radio is being saturated with either urban styles, edm chorus-less style, or just one-dimensional dance sings (one kiss for example). So the style of pop you are wanting, I don’t think it is ever  going to come back although it would be cool! 

on topic: can’t wait for bey to deliver of course 

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This thread = a MESS. 

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43 minutes ago, Ziggy said:

Not to be a total a*****e, but if you aren’t from America I don’t think you can really make judgments on what is and is not racist here. As you’ve pointed out, different countries operate under different cultural contexts. For instance, have you *ever* heard of a white woman’s husband referred to as her “baby daddy”? I don’t mean one time or two, not a piecemeal “oh I found something minuscule the internet’s basement in an attempt to justify my perspective”, I mean a large number of instances that would indicate cultural relevance and common acceptance of the term being used in that manner. No. You don’t hear that because most typically it is used in a uncomfortably racial context to refer to black couples (or used within the black community). Just because a handful of ignorant white gays bought black culture via Nicki Minaj music and online memes doesn’t change the fact that there is specific racial connotation to certain expressions and most definitely when used in certain nuanced contexts like in this case. Language is not a black and white situation even and especially when it comes to matters of race. It’s the same as when white gays speak in those black woman-reminiscent “sassy” tones or when white girls get “boxer braids”. They may have adopted typically black tropes, but that doesn’t remove said tropes of their race-based origins.

 

And with regards to “urban music”. 1) Your point about it not being code for black is only relevant when the artists nominated are not black. Again, I don’t mean exceptions like Emininem (who btw gets there after adopting traditional black musical stylings), I mean when a significant ratio of the nominees and well-known artists of this category are white, then we can say it isn’t race-based. As a genre “urban and r&b” has typically been the lump category for black music. If you listen to “urban radio” who do you hear? Black artists predominantly. That’s the point. Now, having defined that, 2) the dude saying he didn’t like it was not what made the statement racially charged, that’s ridiculous. It was the fact that they called Jay-Z, a billionaire businessman who is not afforded the same prestigious clout as other, white billionaires by being demaned and referred to as nothing more than a “baby daddy” (again, culturally. I don’t give two hoots about billionaires, but we see the white ones as separate from the black ones), the poster then goes on to say that Beyoncé better not release any more of that “urban sh**”. It is the totality of the statement that gives it its racial tone. It does not matter if that was the conscious intent or not insofar as what was said is what was said. It was not put delicately as you’ve made it sound. He did not say that he “did not like Beyoncé’s urban sound and wished she would do something more pop” he instead opted for a grammatical construction that gave off an air of race-based superiority dismissal and disgust for her marriage and her music. Both “critiques” (if they can be called that) were delivered using race-specific tones. I also don’t know why people like to go between white people when determining what’s racist or not because that makes about as much sense as my consulting a possum on quantum physics. Tf are non-black people going to know or be able to assess with any authority what is racist against black people when it doesn’t actually affect us personally? What I mean to say is, if you are so vehemently against the idea that this post had racist tones coloring it, ask an American black person to read it and ask them what the they thought. Racism isn’t always operating in the conscious or explicit communications between people; in America especially, racism has largely been operating more covertly and implicitly for decades and that post is an example of that.

 

 ok urban music is to define black music. IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE IN THIS WORLD THAT I DON'T LIKE THE MUSIC THAT A GROUP OF PEOPLE DO WITHOUT BEING RACIST TOWARDS THEM? -THANK-YOU-.

For Gods shake, that's the only thing I was stating. my OP on this convo is: now someone can't dislike this genre without being racist. 

And I DO like Beyonce's "urban" music. I was just referring to THAT point of the original conversation, I never mentioned the baby daddy. 

And if using the term "urban" is racist, I don't get it cuz I see Beyonce (like every black artist, but since we are talking about her) tagging her music under urban, sending it to urban radios, and taking urban categorized Grammys to her home and putting them on a sleeve. Never seen any black artist complaining about the use of that terminology. 

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1 hour ago, NewYorkCity said:

 

 ok urban music is to define black music. IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE IN THIS WORLD THAT I DON'T LIKE THE MUSIC THAT A GROUP OF PEOPLE DO WITHOUT BEING RACIST TOWARDS THEM? -THANK-YOU-.

For Gods shake, that's the only thing I was stating. my OP on this convo is: now someone can't dislike this genre without being racist. 

And I DO like Beyonce's "urban" music. I was just referring to THAT point of the original conversation, I never mentioned the baby daddy. 

And if using the term "urban" is racist, I don't get it cuz I see Beyonce (like every black artist, but since we are talking about her) tagging her music under urban, sending it to urban radios, and taking urban categorized Grammys to her home and putting them on a sleeve. Never seen any black artist complaining about the use of that terminology. 

I’m saying that they can dislike it but the way that the other poster you were defending put it was racist in its connotation not the disliking itself.

“Urban” as a term isn’t racist, it’s race-based. There’s a difference. I’m saying that the genre of urban radio and music is synonymous with black music. That is, there is a racial connotation to the term. Said connotation which as you point out with artists sending music to urban radio, tagging it as such, etc. can be helpful. But the way the other poster put it was using “urban”, a stand in for black music, and deriding it as s*** after dropping another pejorative slur towards blackness previously in their comment. Again, and I mean to emphasize this, it isn’t about disliking urban music, it is about the way they expressed that sentiment and the context that that sentiment was expressed in which was racially charged.

I’m not accusing you of anything. I’m saying that the comment you defended was racist, this is why, and that it’s a little silly for us to say what black people should and should not be offended by as non-black folk.

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On 12/23/2018 at 11:28 PM, Borislshere said:

Not necessarily targeting white gays but her solo albums (minus DIL) were more towards the pop/easy to swallow music with no undertones about race and injustice. when I refer to her last two albums, I’m talking about lemonade and EIL which have a more urban root aimed more towards the black community and she discusses issues relating to the black community in the music. Most white gays don’t relate to that message therefore it’s not going to be the songs they run to first. 

Oh okay I thought you meant that just in term of music styles lol.  

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