Beyoncé haters are RACISTS

[FlopSlurper 34,336]

The title of this thread seems RaCiALly ChaRgeD 

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

3 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

It's really typical of modern society that if you don't like someone, it must be assumed that it's for a really deeply prejudiced reason. In other words, disadvantaged groups are not encouraged to take responsibility for their own actions, neither should they change their attitudes or strive to improve themselves, but advantaged groups must? Yeah, no. There are many valid reasons for disliking somebody and some of us are just more upfront about them and don't bury our heads in the sand. If it's not the same standards, it's not equal. Same standards or GTFO.

I have many valid reasons for disliking Beyonce. Her music is ok at best, her personality and way of conducting her career, however, is...questionable, to say the least. I'd have a strong guess that she's a narcissist. I'm honestly surprised she has maintained fans all these years who seem very oblivious to her clearly fake personality and greed.

It just shows how different minds work. I can't think of one reason why you would like her as a person (in terms of the personality we've seen in the media, that is). I could give you a list as long as my arm of her questionable choices she made. But here's a run-down of the most obvious: cutting off and replacing her old bandmates from DC and even saying "all of the bad seeds are now out of DC" despite claims that they were all friends, her need to push herself to the forefront in DC so that she could ride off into the sunset with a glittering solo career and leave her friends in the dust, stealing and making small changes to other people's songs for inclusion on her own album without credit that this was a cover (she even said live on stage once that she wrote Irreplaceable despite Ne-Yo writing the song for her), she's stolen music video concepts and live performance concepts from a whole host of artists, she's made her tours almost completely American and European centred and doesn't seem to think her international fans matter anymore and she seems too think she's too good to promote and do interviews. She hasn't done a promotional tv appearance in the UK since 2011 and there was a time she would do all that stuff and we have always been a major market for her.

That's the shortened version. As I said above, I don't know how she's maintained fans after all this time. It's only accepted because it's a celebrity doing it. Unlike many, I don't treat celebrities as if they're above the rest of us. If a normal civilian acted like this, they would have been out on their ass.

Perhaps in general, blue collar jobs and suchlike among the non-famous, that statement that blacks have to work harder may be true. But in the music industry? No way. Black artists have been popping up all over the place since urban music came back into fashion. I've been reviewing music as an amateur since 2012, so I observe patterns in this area all the time. Black artists routinely get a #1 single and album straight out the gate, when nobody even knows who they are. They can easily sell a million copies of their album and that's in the US alone. They all seem to get good reviews from critics as standard and nominated for days at the Grammies. They get crazy support from their labels, being allowed to make exactly the kind of music they want and release when they want. And a lot of the time, they don't even need to promote to sell. By comparison, white artists are having to work like dogs to get even a fraction of this stuff and they are under so many controls by their labels, including being forced to change and getting their albums delayed because they can't produce a #1. Every year, I see highly talented white artists not getting great reviews, not getting promoted, not getting nominated, just not getting recognised for work that is amazing meanwhile so many black artists, who are putting out some of the most mediocre, generic albums are being praised to the heavens. As is often the case, what you're told to believe and what's actually the reality are two very different things.

I criticse her as a performer and a person and I'm not a racist. Why is anyone who criticises her as a person a racist? There are many valid reasons to dislike her as a person that have nothing to do with her race and could be applied to anyone of any race.

That may be the case but despite that...Beyonce's albums are always one of the biggest sellers of the year, if not the biggest seller. And she's had a lot of hit singles. And mega million grossing tours, some of which are the most successful in the world. And she's the second most awarded woman of all time at the Grammys and is in tied 6th place for the most awarded artist ever. And her albums and performance ability has been praised for years. So, when all's said and done, how much is racism truly affecting her? Judging by these stats, barely enough to make it worthy of a mention. When it comes to the music industry, racists have very little power over who becomes successful and praised, probably because the industry is such a liberal place.

Maybe you don’t think you are a racist. Or maybe you are a racist but it has nothing to do with why you criticise Beyonce. I can never really know, I guess. So who am I to judge you considering I don’t know you personally, the same way you don’t know Beyonce personally, either.

[Miracle 14,068]

20 hours ago, bionic said:

I think it's a joke for the most part  I definitely say it to wind up my sister-in-law who dislikes Queen B

Believe me when someone from the BeyHive says it during an argument, it isn't.

[StrawberryBlond 14,820]

2 minutes ago, Lord Temptation said:

Maybe you don’t think you are a racist. Or maybe you are a racist but it has nothing to do with why you criticise Beyonce. I can never really know, I guess. So who am I to judge you considering I don’t know you personally, the same way you don’t know Beyonce personally, either.

It's neither. I apply the same standards to everyone and you'll notice I criticise white artists for the exact same things if they've done them. I'm not biased when I judge personalities. I don't know why the concept is so hard to grasp. Is the world so full of fake people that someone who says something with no underlying agenda and prejudice is deemed too good to be true? People can be more authentic than we're led to believe. But at least you've admitted that you don't know me well enough to know my true self, which is more than some people around here have done. And while I may not know Beyonce personally, as a celebrity, she puts forward a public image that I can judge and that's what I'm basing my judgement on, which I think is fair enough. It's possible to judge someone without ever meeting them, if their personality is constantly fed to you from afar.

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if someone thinks that, they're delusional. There are people who are racist towards her, there are racist jokes/underlying tones in people's critiques of her and I'm happy to see them to called out, but the generalization is obviously wrong

[Guest Adarsh]

So if black people don't like BTS or Bollywood movies, then they're racist as well? 

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I remember this one user on here made such a big deal about people not liking Beyonce, stating something along the lines of: Beyonce is the best dancer and vocalist of our generation so if you criticize her or her art, it’s automatically racist because it can’t be what she does so it has to be about her skin. Same user that started complaining about Beyonce being “underrated” and if you think she’s overrated, you’re automatically racist because she can do no wrong 

some of her fans are wild af 

I don’t think they know that she’s a human being and not some godly diety as her team would like you to think lol

[Bambino 24,266]

So if you don't know who Paulina Rubio is, that makes what? Xenophobic? Hispanophobic?  

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

4 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

It's neither. I apply the same standards to everyone and you'll notice I criticise white artists for the exact same things if they've done them. I'm not biased when I judge personalities. I don't know why the concept is so hard to grasp. Is the world so full of fake people that someone who says something with no underlying agenda and prejudice is deemed too good to be true? People can be more authentic than we're led to believe. But at least you've admitted that you don't know me well enough to know my true self, which is more than some people around here have done. And while I may not know Beyonce personally, as a celebrity, she puts forward a public image that I can judge and that's what I'm basing my judgement on, which I think is fair enough. It's possible to judge someone without ever meeting them, if their personality is constantly fed to you from afar.

Sure, anyone who is a public figure falls under the scrutiny of public opinion. I just don’t see the utility in criticising an entertainer. It’s not like it’s their job to save lives or solve environmental problems. All i know about Beyonce is fed to me via channels of mass media or social media. My opinion on her is really weak because I don’t trust any of those sources. In the age of the social I think even authenticity itself can be manipulated and commodified. It’s all fashion and marketing at the end of the day. Although I also understand that people have the right to judge others in the public eye, especially when the image  they project is one of a feminist or activist. They should definitelt be held accountable for how they use their limelight to influence others.

[That J 12,166]

I dont like her music. 

I dont like Taylor Swift's music either. 

Race has NOTHING to do with it. 

[That J 12,166]

We all spend too much time defending what we like that we end up making that thing look silly.  

[StrawberryBlond 14,820]

12 minutes ago, Lord Temptation said:

Sure, anyone who is a public figure falls under the scrutiny of public opinion. I just don’t see the utility in criticising an entertainer. It’s not like it’s their job to save lives or solve environmental problems. All i know about Beyonce is fed to me via channels of mass media or social media. My opinion on her is really weak because I don’t trust any of those sources. In the age of the social I think even authenticity itself can be manipulated and commodified. It’s all fashion and marketing at the end of the day. Although I also understand that people have the right to judge others in the public eye, especially when the image  they project is one of a feminist or activist. They should definitelt be held accountable for how they use their limelight to influence others.

But entertainers do influence people, Beyonce is certainly a massive influencer to make such an impact on the people. If someone is going to be that powerful, I'd hope they were deserving. I'm not saving they have to be amazing humanitarians, just that they seem like nice, agreeable people with good output. It's hard not to judge when I'm watching televised interviews where words are coming out of her mouth or I hear from others how she dealt with things or seeing her copying someone right in front of my eyes. There's no way this kind of thing can be manipulated. And even if it was, it would probably be to make her look good, since that's been the prevailing public opinion for a long time, which the media has rolled with. So, if I see the bad stuff, it must be true. Fact is that so many entertainers are not the best of people. Anyone who wants to be famous must have a certain degree of narcissism, some more than others. So, when I hear the bad stuff, it's hard to believe it's all just rumour. I forgot about the feminist thing - another cause for which I think Beyonce has attached her name in order to be popular, despite her not actually living the life of feminist woman, namely, taking her cheating husband back even though it was more than a once-off mistake (and he's probably still doing it) and not actually doing anything feminist besides giving a few select underprivileged girls money for a college application, all publicised of course. Her attempts at feminist songs convince me that she actually hasn't seriously considered the cause or what it stands for and believes it's all about looking hot and acting sassy. Chimamanda's speech (a woman much better versed in feminism) inserted at the beginning of Flawless falls pretty flat when it's immediately followed up by a song about Beyonce's raving narcissism not to mention lies (Beyonce never "wakes up like this," she's always covered in make-up). I don't think calling her out for these kind of things could be called racist, it's just observation.

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22 hours ago, Gohan said:

Why do people think this way? Are people not allowed to dislike someone anymore? I've seen this labelling EVERYWHERE. The Hive treats her like she's an untouchable goddess who can do no wrong

Does Beyoncé suffer from racism in 2018? Even when black/mixed race artists have existed in the music industry since forever, a LOT even reaching the legend status and everyone and their mother loves them? Whitney, Aretha, Janet, Michael to name a few. All successful artists.

What do you guys think? Is it racism, sexism or just not-their-cup-of-tea?

 

I was about to go off on you from reading the title 

Honestly beyoncé fans need to get over yourself, she's not on that MJ level even when the media paints her that way, it's not going to happen

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I used to play her "B'Day" album everytime and I kind of loved it back then, but I guess I'm one of her "haters" because I don't like her music/performances/acting anymore, It's not about race in most of the cases, it's all about music taste, her music doesn't make feel anything and it's boring to me. Maybe that's considered "no taste in music" but I don't ****ing care. Boring artist.

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

53 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

But entertainers do influence people, Beyonce is certainly a massive influencer to make such an impact on the people. If someone is going to be that powerful, I'd hope they were deserving. I'm not saving they have to be amazing humanitarians, just that they seem like nice, agreeable people with good output. It's hard not to judge when I'm watching televised interviews where words are coming out of her mouth or I hear from others how she dealt with things or seeing her copying someone right in front of my eyes. There's no way this kind of thing can be manipulated. And even if it was, it would probably be to make her look good, since that's been the prevailing public opinion for a long time, which the media has rolled with. So, if I see the bad stuff, it must be true. Fact is that so many entertainers are not the best of people. Anyone who wants to be famous must have a certain degree of narcissism, some more than others. So, when I hear the bad stuff, it's hard to believe it's all just rumour. I forgot about the feminist thing - another cause for which I think Beyonce has attached her name in order to be popular, despite her not actually living the life of feminist woman, namely, taking her cheating husband back even though it was more than a once-off mistake (and he's probably still doing it) and not actually doing anything feminist besides giving a few select underprivileged girls money for a college application, all publicised of course. Her attempts at feminist songs convince me that she actually hasn't seriously considered the cause or what it stands for and believes it's all about looking hot and acting sassy. Chimamanda's speech (a woman much better versed in feminism) inserted at the beginning of Flawless falls pretty flat when it's immediately followed up by a song about Beyonce's raving narcissism not to mention lies (Beyonce never "wakes up like this," she's always covered in make-up). I don't think calling her out for these kind of things could be called racist, it's just observation.

Well exactly 

You don’t have to be racist to dislike Beyonce. There are multiple reasons why one could hate her. Similarly, there are multiple reasons why one could love her. Either way, I think she is a nice person. Her perfectionist persona, on the other hand, is too much for me. Her fans and the media are also very aggressive and intolerant.