I Feel Gaga is In a Conundrum

[kaojen 1,571]

44 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Maybe. It's definitely a popular fan theory. But personally, I already saw the first signs of public disinterest during the Telephone music video era. For many people it was too over the top and the shtick of dramatic fashion and sexual provocation was becoming predictable and boring.

Her Monster Ball 2.0 tour was also not very inviting on a general public level. The element of constant preaching crept in during this time, she was constantly doing interviews where she repeated her fans (who were getting a reputation of dressing up for her shows and being all-round weird and freaky) were her life, and the show itself didn't offer anything new or exciting for a casual public to talk about (while in 1.0 there was).

For me, that's the beginning of the end. That divide is what alienated a lot of people, BTW just put a stamp on that process. My take on it.

I remember the public disinterest beginning around this time as well. 

Also, I can think of Gaga eras during the points in my life. At this point I was at university in the middle of my teaching degree. Many times at the beginning of a semester for a class you get to know people. And I distinctly remember letting people know I was a fan and seeing the disinterest there. Currently I am a teacher and I will occasionally have to go to a professional development class and usually during the ice breaking activities they’ll be something like two truths and a lie or tell something that you think you’re the only person in the room who has done this etc and I’ll bring up that I’ve met Gaga. The gushing praise is CRAZY, especially after the Super Bowl Halftime show and Joanne. 

So I agree that there was definitely a lot of push toward the fan base that alienated the GP, and I remember myself having an “I DONT CARE” attitude. I didn’t care because most of the popular stuff sounded horrible to me and I loved the qualities that the GP didn’t seem to like. Mind you I grew up liking Japanese rock music which is very alienated anyway 🤷🏼‍♀️ 

But regardless of what happened or what we think. It’s still all a matter of opinion and experience. The past is in the past and each era will continue to shift and morph into something new.

thats always been a part of the roller coaster. It’s just up to you if you’re going to stay in your seat and buckle up.

[LOVEDRUG 10,659]

In my opinion, whilst many pop stars can maintain success (see Ariana Grande, Beyonce etc.) Gaga's success is constantly fluctuating, moving from cult favourite to popstar of the masses. Every project changes her popularity.

Early The Fame: Very little attention, JD gains some traction but nothing really until Poker Face

The Fame: Increasing in popularity, new up and coming star, huge potential

The Fame Monster: Club favourite, top of the world

Born This Way (Feb-Aug 2011): Biggest popstar in the world, huge

Born This Way (Aug-Dec 2011): Declining success, underperformance of MTN

Born This Way (Jan 2012-Feb 2013): Almost invisible, no new music, no major headlines, just maintaining fan base and tour

ARTPOP (Aug-Dec 2013): Very successful, reminiscent of Paparazzi era. Applause and DWUW are popular, she's a popstar again as opposed to a cult star

ARTPOP (Dec 2013-Sep 2014): Extremely quickly declining success, huge underperformance of G.U.Y, premature end of the ARTPOP era

Cheek to Cheek (Sep 2014-Early 2016): Not popular but the GP realise her acoustic/piano/jazz talent with Sound of Music tribute and mini tribute era. AHS also improves her success 

Joanne (Aug 2016-Oct 2016): Not popular, PI is heard by many but not as many as it needed to be

Joanne (Oct 2016-Jan 2018): Pretty popular again, Million Reasons performs well and Superbowl skyrockets her but she declines again during JWT

Break (Jan 2018-Sep 2018): Almost unheard of, no talk about her, little talk about new music until Eli photos in August

ASIB (Sep 2018-Present): Huge again, famous, extremely rapidly increasing popularity, she's less 'singer' and more 'star'

Looking at that analysis you can see that Gaga has failed to ever maintain mainstream success for more than two or three singles with the GP. Her popularity is constantly changing, especially with promo issues. There wasn't enough promo for Joanne and there was too much promo for Born This Way. People always know of her but fail to pay attention until she releases something catchy or something that stands out (Shallow stood out even if it wasn't too catchy or out there). She changes from popstar to cult favourite

[Wolf 1,328]

By this time, you should've known that Gaga isn't the type to stay the same.

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LMAO u, next

[dynamite 59,321]

3 hours ago, funkyhaus said:

She’s just subject to change. I can assure you if she had stayed “classic Gaga” her career wouldn’t be as successful as it is now. I love her but look at Katy Perry and her current success, all down to regurgitating the same formula out over and over and a lack of artistic growth. 

I think it's the opposite. Katy Perry's lack of success is because she changed her formula, not kept it, and also became too try-hard. If she kept regurgitating upbeat pop songs she'd have had hits. Her music and image change did her no good.

I never liked her but I found her more relatable as a person with Witness, though I didn't like the music.

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3 hours ago, Aglaya said:

I can't take this fanbase anymore. GagaDaily has become a trashcan where everyone thinks that can manage an artist's career. We don't. We are not professionals. Just fking enjoy music. This is really disrespectful.

It's always been. Lol 

[The Fame Monster 4,265]

I don't care how anyone else feels anymore. All I care about is that it makes me happy to see Gaga developing and becoming better artist year after year. She keeps it fresh.

[elijahfan 26,202]

Did Gaga shifting genres alienate her initial fanbase? I believe all hardcore LMs are still here and enjoying her constant evolution. I don't see how this could be compromised in the future. Sure, people will enjoy some eras more than others, but there will always be something for everyone to enjoy I think.

[Ronk 14,762]

She has proved the can excel in several genres.  Her total fanbase will be larger than ever.  She is an artist for the ages, refusing to be generic, always reinventing herself.  We should not pin her down or put her in a box, but let her have the thrill of spreading her wings and exploring everything.

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5 hours ago, funkyhaus said:

She’s just subject to change. I can assure you if she had stayed “classic Gaga” her career wouldn’t be as successful as it is now. I love her but look at Katy Perry and her current success, all down to regurgitating the same formula out over and over and a lack of artistic growth. 

Totally agree....

Both Bey and Gaga are doing the same thing. They are trying different stuff and it seems it works for both of them.

Same stuff, trying to find a hit stuff would eventually bore and not work...

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2 hours ago, dynamite said:

I think it's the opposite. Katy Perry's lack of success is because she changed her formula, not kept it, and also became too try-hard. If she kept regurgitating upbeat pop songs she'd have had hits. Her music and image change did her no good.

I never liked her but I found her more relatable as a person with Witness, though I didn't like the music.

She didn’t really change her formula at all though, she just cut her hair and changed her music style to lesser quality upbeat pop songs. It’s the equivalent to Gaga being even more OTT with her outfits and performances but the music getting worse (which don’t kill me but is what sort of happened with ARTPOP).

[DC 25,164]

I think you need to think less of this, she wanted C2C to happen and it did and now we got goddess Gaga instead of Queen Gaga, convo over.

[giskardsb 12,565]

a confusion of marketing and drift off "brand" is in fact what is almost guaranteed for someone that shifts as much as Gaga.  Now, to me Gaga's "brand" is never knowing what to expect so I like the constant shifts, but for many fans her "brand" is so ingrained from TF/TFM/BTW that, while they want her to shift, they want her to do it only within the context of the avant garde personas.    Hence all the complaints post-ARTPOP that she is no longer "authentic Gaga" to many.

To me it was obvious even in the beginning that Gaga wasn't fond of the "brand" people tried to put on her.  She doesn't want to be shackled in by those labels.   So while her label, RedOne, and many fans would have preferred she stayed "on brand", Gaga is too restless and exploratory with different extents of her talents to be pigeonholed.

Katy, Rihanna, Taylor Swift, all play the pop star game the normal way and are basically the same artists as when they started although obviously TS made the switch from Pop Country to straight Pop.  Still, they all play the game.  It's pretty obvious by now that Gaga hates that game.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, giskardsb said:

a confusion of marketing and drift off "brand" is in fact what is almost guaranteed for someone that shifts as much as Gaga.  Now, to me Gaga's "brand" is never knowing what to expect so I like the constant shifts, but for many fans her "brand" is so ingrained from TF/TFM/BTW that, while they want her to shift, they want her to do it only within the context of the avant garde personas.    Hence all the complaints post-ARTPOP that she is no longer "authentic Gaga" to many.

To me it was obvious even in the beginning that Gaga wasn't fond of the "brand" people tried to put on her.  She doesn't want to be shackled in by those labels.   So while her label, RedOne, and many fans would have preferred she stayed "on brand", Gaga is too restless, and continuously needs to try different things, in order to be pigeonholed.

Katy, Rihanna, Taylor Swift, all play the pop star game the normal way and are basically the same artists as when they started although obviously TS made the switch from Pop Country to straight Pop.  Still, they all play the game.  It's pretty obvious by now that Gaga hates that game.

 

 

I wish Gaga would be willing to play the game for another era or two to really cement her musical legacy and make her musical career less frontloaded. 

[LeJudas 6,490]

She's always been fine because we knew from day one that we transform together.

Some people fall off the Gaga train and others adapt and stay along for the ride that will be her lifelong career.

I don't think it's bad that she changes her image, we'll always be there for her. The problem lies with the people who only care for her when she does what they want. So really fans should be used to it by now it's been 11 years??? 

It's expected that she'll do something random and it always turns out good. If you don't like it then go Stan the one trick ponys of the world there's thousands of those 

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