I Feel Gaga is In a Conundrum

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2 minutes ago, Bel Esprit said:

The fan base yes will be here for whatever, but if the gp doesnt have a clear idea of Gaga it limits her success to her hardcore fan base

I guess I was just confused by what you meant as success. I thought you meant success as a whole, not just within the fanbase. 

I think, because of her transformations, she will be making the "wrong decision" in some of her fans eyes no matter what she does next. But I also think that the only reason she is still relevant is because she constantly changes. It's one of those things that the people who stan her because they love those changes will embrace, and those who stan her because of one or two certain eras will stop. Either way, she's never going to please everyone.

The GP do not hear a song they like, notice it's Gaga, and decide not to buy it on that fact alone, so if she makes music that appeals to a lot of people (pop is really the only thing that would reach any kind of huge success...well except maybe rap).

Sorry if this makes no sense. Its 4am here, and I'm stuck at work. I also dont fully understand if you're talking more about success with the GP, casual fans, stans, or in general. 

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7 minutes ago, Aglaya said:

Really, u have Katy Perry if u need an artist doing the same thing for 10 years. If u miss "classic gaga" go and listen to her previous albums.  Its not that hard. She likes to evolve, its not something new. With Internet u can go and listen to Born This Way on repeat all your life if u want.

Nothing you said in your reply is relevant to or makes sense to what I said. Some of y’all need to stop being hypersensitive when someone gives constructive criticism or an opinion. I can stan Gaga, have an opinion, and still prefer certain eras/visuals/music over others. I don’t like Katy Perry and BTW isn’t up there as my fav Gaga album, thanks.

[KatieJudasGaga4 67,907]

9 minutes ago, Bel Esprit said:

I'm not asking for that, I'm just wondering if Gaga should've found a way of organically aging the Gaga brand without a complete overhaul of her image. Could Gaga find a way to make CrazyGa work in 2018 as opposed to a abandoning it? It seems we might see with lg6 era. 

How exactly is she abandoning it? If your referring to what she has been saying during the ASIB interviews, you aren't understanding what she is really saying. Also, she hasn't abandoned it, "John Wayne" for instance. Also, the JWT interludes were very "CrazyGa". And she always references things from her past...you are kinda making it seem like she wants to forget everything she has done from the past, which isn't true. Heck, her favorite outfit she wore was in 2010.

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8 minutes ago, Aglaya said:

Yea thnx for respecting my opinion by being sarcastic 5 minutes ago 

If you think it was the best way to give a point of view to this specific thread then I found it off-topic, and I can't keep going.

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28 minutes ago, KatieJudasGaga4 said:

I swear these types of topics are so annoying. Who cares if her fan base will become "older" people...Isn't that what we wanted, Gaga to feel appreciated to all ages? Joanne, ASIB and C2C really helped the GP understand how freakin talented Gaga is...I think us fans want that more than chart/sales success. Back then, she was disliked a lot, but had huge success. Now, she is well liked and very successful, a #1 movie, soundtrack, Shallow is everywhere, Grammy/Oscars nominations and mostly everyone loves her. You know why she shifted from EDM to Jazz to Country.....she is an ARTIST OF ALL GENRES. She shows how talented she is, and if you can't see that, leave.

Gaga was beloved by a lot of audiences during her rise to fame actually. It was after BTW and AP that she lost traction, and she's been regaining certain audiences, but ASIB is the first time it's happened in a major way, I just hope Gaga releasing a Sophie or Boys Noize produced song can smash and resonate with lots of audiences. Older and younger. 

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4 minutes ago, KatieJudasGaga4 said:

How exactly is she abandoning it? If your referring to what she has been saying during the ASIB interviews, you aren't understanding what she is really saying. Also, she hasn't abandoned it, "John Wayne" for instance. Also, the JWT interludes were very "CrazyGa".

For me the crazyga has been so inconsistent. Aside from a few looks and the examples you listed, Gaga 2008-2014 and 2015-2018 Gaga have been completely different with a few call backs and moments. 

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Just now, Bel Esprit said:

Gaga was beloved by a lot of audiences during her rise to fame actually.

Alejandro, Born This Way and Judas were very controversial and many religious groups hated Gaga for the music videos and meanings of the songs. This is its peak where people thought Gaga was part of the illuminati and was a devil worshipper. That doesn't sound like "beloved by a lot of audiences" to me.

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3 minutes ago, KatieJudasGaga4 said:

Alejandro, Born This Way and Judas were very controversial and many religious groups hated Gaga for the music videos and meanings of the songs. This is its peak where people thought Gaga was part of the illuminati and was a devil worshipper. That doesn't sound like "beloved by a lot of audiences" to me.

Those singles ruined her image to religious groups but Just Dance-Telephone Gaga had a very wide popularity. People forget how big and beloved The Fame singles were, mom's and kids were singing along to LoveGame. ☠️

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7 minutes ago, KatieJudasGaga4 said:

Alejandro, Born This Way and Judas were very controversial and many religious groups hated Gaga for the music videos and meanings of the songs. This is its peak where people thought Gaga was part of the illuminati and was a devil worshipper. That doesn't sound like "beloved by a lot of audiences" to me.

Religious groups aren't really any popstars target demographic, but yes BTW era alienated the gp. 

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2 minutes ago, Bel Esprit said:

Those singles ruined her image to religious groups but Just Dance-Telephone Gaga had a very wide popularity. People forget how big and beloved The Fame singles were, mom's and kids were singing along to LoveGame. ☠️

I forgot to mention, LoveGame was banned in some countries too. While, in some countries it had to be pushed as the 4th single or not be a single at all due to the controversy. I think that is a little messy on the management part too.

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2 minutes ago, KatieJudasGaga4 said:

I forgot to mention, LoveGame was banned in some countries too. While, in some countries it had to be pushed as the 4th single or not be a single at all due to the controversy. I think that is a little messy on the management part too.

Idk even God is a woman was banned in certain countries, but is still went #1 on pop radio and is a song people like. I don't think pandering to conservatives or Muslim countries is a good idea for a popstar. Pop is for everyone, but usually generally socially liberal people. 

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Gaga's problem has always been moving from one project to another. Her entire brand is based on defying public expectations, transcending them. That's a tough act to follow up on.

The way I see it, her career started falling apart in early 2010 already. She became so fan-focused, constantly feeding this image of "you have to be gay/bullied/artistic/fashion obsessed/... in order to be a fan of Lady Gaga" in every video, performance, and interview, that she just stopped being a public commodity. She became a fan act, and the world noticed, and moved on.

Ever since 2013 she and her team have realized that being a fan act is not gonna cut it. She's tried very hard to win the public back, and she's done that, so applause to her and her team. She may have broken most promises and morals she's once claimed to stand for, but nobody but the fans will notice that. So I don't think your analysis really holds up in the "real world". Switching from one style of branding to another is actually a great idea for her, not a failure.

What you and other fans fail to notice is how her success relies on constantly changing, without any moral or artistic compass. If she'd stop doing that for just a second (like she did between 2011 and 2013) the world would realize there's actually nothing to see. She doesn't have a brand, never did. Her only identification is the fact that she'll do something different from everybody else. That's how people have known and continue to know Gaga, and it's the only reason people take notice of her (that might sound cruel, but I think it's true).

She's skyrocketing rn. And I'm quite proud of her for doing that. But yeah, the disillusion is coming for many fans who were emotionally attached to her journey. Now they have to come to terms with the fact that more than anything, she's a businesswoman, and her love and care is reserved for her actual family and friends now, not us, the people she swore allegiance to. It's time we realize her love for her fans is and has always been very limited, and has mostly benefited her in terms of commercial success. Sure, she'll try to sustain some kind of contact with us, because having a loyal fanbase is just smart. But we'll never get her back. She just tricked us too well into thinking we had her at all.

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I honestly think Gagas team have had a long plan for a while now! I wish I could find the full beats one interview where Zane Lowe basically asked her about future projects and whether she is going to totally flip her style and go back to her Gaga side...her reaction looked like she could tell he was on to something But was staying quiet! 

Also I think fans underestimate how much the GP like the crazy side of Gaga. When them Eli instagram photos where posted the buzz was high for crazy Gaga everywhere! 

Shes coming and it's going to be a nostalgic experience I think ❤️️

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Success isn't important. Happiness is. 

[Sneaky Oliver 21,142]

I think her label, team and Gaga herself understand more about success than we do and they are very aware of it. Shes having a very good era in her career rn, idk why someones worried about her...shes doing alright