nattuggla 21,799 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Well from all the toned-down and country influenced albums (like Younger Now, Rainbow, Man Of The Woods) Joanne was selling the best with approximately 2M worldwide.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LateToCult 40,896 Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kitsch said: We all know Joanne wasn't promoted as much as her past albums were. Besides, since when do sales indicate quality? We have DJs like Alan Walker and The Chainsmokers getting billions of views for a generic song nowadays. Poor promo isn’t something you can hide behind when you’re Lady Gaga. Sales are actually a great indicator of quality when it comes to big artists. 1989, Lemonade, 25, and Anti did great numbers because they were great albums. Everything Is Love, Joanne, and Witness tanked because they weren’t that good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nattuggla 21,799 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, LateToCult said: Poor promo isn’t something you can hide behind when you’re Lady Gaga. Sales are actually a great indicator of quality when it comes to big artists. 1989, Lemonade, 25, and Anti did great numbers because they were great albums. Everything Is Love, Joanne, and Witness tanked because they weren’t that good. Joanne sold definitely far more than the other 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LateToCult 40,896 Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 minute ago, nattuggla said: Joanne sold definitely far more than the other 2. And far less than the other albums I mentioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nattuggla 21,799 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, LateToCult said: And far less than the other albums I mentioned. Everyone sold less than the two you mentioned because Taylor and Adele are in another league compared to all the other pop stars. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley 59,053 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 14 minutes ago, LateToCult said: Poor promo isn’t something you can hide behind when you’re Lady Gaga. Sales are actually a great indicator of quality when it comes to big artists. 1989, Lemonade, 25, and Anti did great numbers because they were great albums. Everything Is Love, Joanne, and Witness tanked because they weren’t that good. I am sorry to say this but there is absolutely no substance to this opinion. Promotion directly affects an album's sales performance, Million Reasons reached #4 on Billboard Hot 100 because of the Superbowl, and that is the effect of promotion. Without the hundreds of performances she did for Million Reasons, it wouldn't have gotten a platinum certification. You think The Fame Monster, Born This Way and ARTPOP, or even Cheek to Cheek would have done their numbers without promotion just because she's Lady Gaga? And 1989 is the perfect example of how a mediocre album can also do great numbers. The music is bland, the vocals are not as good as Joanne's, but it benefited from good promotion and amazing music videos. Gaga is not as commercial or trendy as artists like Rihanna and Taylor Swift, these artists are heavily streamed because they are trendy, Rihanna being like the female Drake and Taylor being the idol teenage girls look up to. Gaga doesn't have a target audience in mind, with every album, evident from Cheek to Cheek and Joanne, she's constantly gaining new fans and losing some old ones (you might even be one of them). She never wanted to be trendy the way Swift and Rihanna were. Remember when she said 'I can't possibly write a song about twerking in a club.'? That's exactly what Work is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley 59,053 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Imagine being that naive to think that the more an album sells, the better it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LateToCult 40,896 Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, nattuggla said: Everyone sold less than the two you mentioned because Taylor and Adele are on another league compared to all the other pop stars. Alright. Let’s just look at Lemonade and Anti then. Both still sold more than 4 million. Double Joanne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LateToCult 40,896 Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Kitsch said: Imagine being that naive to think that the more an album sells, the better it is. Cry about it. Won’t change the fact that nobody bought Joanne. It’s lead is certified aluminum foil. And it’s visuals were lazy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nattuggla 21,799 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 16 minutes ago, LateToCult said: Alright. Let’s just look at Lemonade and Anti then. Both still sold more than 4 million. Double Joanne True. But Beyoncé and Riri were smart to recognize how to transform into the streaming era by transitioning to a more urban direction and less pop than before. Dangerous Woman and This Is Acting are more pop oriented albums with multiple hit singles and they also didn't do as well as Anti and Lemonade but they still did very good for pop standards. Joanne was by no way a hit but it wasn't a flop either. The world isn't just black and white and there is more in between than just a hit or a flop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley 59,053 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, LateToCult said: Cry about it. Won’t change the fact that nobody bought Joanne. It’s lead is certified aluminum foil. And it’s visuals were lazy. You are so hell-bent on trying to win an argument that you don't even know what you wanted to prove in the first place. I never said Joanne sold as much as Lemonade or 25 did, I said Joanne was a great album, and that sales do not indicate quality. It is kind of tiring to discuss with somebody who thinks that the world operates with correlating results between quality and commercial performance without actually considering the background and weighing factors of these albums, artists and musical climate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LateToCult 40,896 Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Kitsch said: You are so hell-bent on trying to win an argument that you don't even know what you wanted to prove in the first place. I never said Joanne sold as much as Lemonade or 25 did, I said Joanne was a great album, and that sales do not indicate quality. It is kind of tiring to discuss with somebody who thinks that the world operates with correlating results between quality and commercial performance without actually considering the background and weighing factors of these albums, artists and musical climate. Girl you’re still here? Go stream Perfect Illusion or something. God knows no one else is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley 59,053 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 minute ago, LateToCult said: Girl you’re still here? Go stream Perfect Illusion or something. God knows no one else is. A very constructive argument indeed. I am so convinced of the points you brought up. Very illuminating! I'm going to stream Younger Now instead and watch the tour and Superbowl performance Miley did in 2017. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LateToCult 40,896 Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kitsch said: A very constructive argument indeed. I am so convinced of the points you brought up. Very illuminating! I'm going to stream Younger Now instead and watch the tour and Superbowl performance Miley did in 2017. Enjoy, luv. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itsbrenda 2,983 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I do have to say it’s funny to me... like Miley seems to just do everything Gaga does Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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