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Magoo, do we have any solid confirmation on whether Taylor really did beat Born This Way?

I don't know about the real rate at which WANEGBT got to itunes #1 but that is just a measure of how organized is the fan base and nothing to do with the general public's appreciation of the song.

I make the first 6 days' sales of WANEGBT approx 118K (Mon), 201K (Tues), 89K, 73K, 55K, 55K,

so in the first 3 days it sold 408K vs BTWs 448K

and if it maintains the 55K/day then in the following 7 days it would sell 403K vs BTWs second week 509K (an average of 73K/day)

Or another comparison would be that BTW sold an estimated 448K + (3/7)*509K = 666K in its first 7 days of release, vs the estimated 628K at the moment for WANEGBT's first week.

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I hope PTA doesnt flop cause that worries me that GAga will flop.

WTF really ? comparing PTA with Gaga ? red one is red one when he produces with others, but when he produces with Gaga he is RedGodone because of GAGA :) Can you compeared Schaisse with Starships ? or Judas with Starshps

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I don't know about the real rate at which WANEGBT got to itunes #1 but that is just a measure of how organized is the fan base and nothing to do with the general public's appreciation of the song.

I make the first 6 days' sales of WANEGBT approx 118K (Mon), 201K (Tues), 89K, 73K, 55K, 55K,

so in the first 3 days it sold 408K vs BTWs 448K

and if it maintains the 55K/day then in the following 7 days it would sell 403K vs BTWs second week 509K (an average of 73K/day)

Or another comparison would be that BTW sold an estimated 448K + (3/7)*509K = 666K in its first 7 days of release, vs the estimated 628K at the moment for WANEGBT's first week.

So Gaga still wins? :)

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WTF really ? comparing PTA with Gaga ? red one is red one when he produces with others, but when he produces with Gaga he is RedGodone because of GAGA :) Can you compeared Schaisse with Starships ? or Judas with Starshps

Well because If artists with such catchy songs flop, it scares me gaga will flop.

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6 days after debiut BTW had 095.667M radio audience(MediaBase). 'Never Ever' has 087.745M :party:

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6 days after debiut BTW had 095.667M radio audience(MediaBase). 'Never Ever' has 087.745M :party:

I guess there's hope for dance-pop after all.

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I guess there's hope for dance-pop after all.

Only GaGa is able to make big debiut of dance-pop song :worship2:

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I just heard Nicki's label want to re-release her album in November. Wonder what the name could be.....Pink Friday : Roman Reloaded ultimate recharged edition ?

I'm just happy Gaga decided to not release BTW and leave it as it is :)

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Nicki Minaj never getting to the Top 10. :wtf:

That's a statement on how long her album era will last. All of her "hits" on the record sound the same.

I just heard Nicki's label want to re-release her album in November. Wonder what the name could be.....Pink Friday : Roman Reloaded ultimate recharged edition ?

I'm just happy Gaga decided to not release BTW and leave it as it is :)

LOL we posted at the same time. I guess that's the solution. Try to add more songs to it because it's not selling now.

:rofl:

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It is, but the song had a generally more positive reception overall versus Born This Way. Everyone says BTW was the best choice because of the message... Okay so if Bad Kids had the same message, would they still be arguing the same? No. BTW is a good song, but it's not the best the album has to offer.

But Bad Kids doesn't really have the same message. I mean, they're both about "acceptance" and "self-love" but what made BTW rather tremendous is that it *specifically* invoked s-xuality, abledness, and social class all at once, that it *specifically* contained the words "gay, bi, lesbian," and perhaps most necessarily, "transgender." And Gaga knew that no matter what--even if the public HATED the song--it's #1 BB Hot 100 status was locked, and that it would get MASSIVE airplay. It was inevitable, and as such, choosing BTW (when even she admitted that she knew there were bigger "hits" on the album) was a really awesome decision on her part. Yes, maybe a song like TEOG would have been even more monumental, but the lead single platform wouldn't have been put to the use she knew it should be.

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Born This Way (the single) cemented her status as THE "liberation" and "freak" artist for this generation. All of the most legendary names in music have some sort of background in being a movement for a disenfranchised segment of society. Elvis brought in African American life into mainstream music, Madonna was big on fighting for women and racial equality, Lady Gaga has been massive with LGBT rights.

Definitely the best choice she made the entire BTW era.

TEOG shouldve been the second single, not Judas, followed by Marry the Night and Scheisse. But all eras have "shoulda coulda woulda," she made it work with what Interscope made her release.

With 8 million copies sold, and the biggest tour of her career, it's still one of the biggest pop eras in the past decade with two of her own very eras joining it (TF/TFM.)

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People talk about how "messy" the BTW era was, but artistically speaking, it really wasn't. Like, from the second she showed up to the Grammies in that egg, to now, with the hybrids, and aliens, and Mother GOAT of the BTWBall, like, this era was incredibly rich and consistent and carefully planned.

The only real mishaps, I think, came with release schedules and occasional outlier ordeals (basically, I'm referring to TEOG video debacle). Honestly, I think the single biggest "mistake" this era was releasing the promotional singles. Wouldn't have predicted it at the time, but hindsight is 20/20 and it's now clear that Gaga's more than big enough to entirely forego something like that. All the promo singles did was kill any chance Judas might have had (and I don't think it would have ever been a smash, but I think there was evidence that it could have sustained a decent--even if not explosive--chart run), cause a rushed release schedule, and probably destroy TEOG's chances at a number 1 once it was released as a proper single. I'm hoping we just get an album sampler for ARTPOP.

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But Bad Kids doesn't really have the same message. I mean, they're both about "acceptance" and "self-love" but what made BTW rather tremendous is that it *specifically* invoked s-xuality, abledness, and social class all at once, that it *specifically* contained the words "gay, bi, lesbian," and perhaps most necessarily, "transgender." And Gaga knew that no matter what--even if the public HATED the song--it's #1 BB Hot 100 status was locked, and that it would get MASSIVE airplay. It was inevitable, and as such, choosing BTW (when even she admitted that she knew there were bigger "hits" on the album) was a really awesome decision on her part. Yes, maybe a song like TEOG would have been even more monumental, but the lead single platform wouldn't have been put to the use she knew it should be.

I was referring to the production of Bad Kids, not the lyrics :) I understand with the whole message of BTW so she could create that sort of movement, but in terms of strictly album/single sales, I still stand by my opinion that a better first single (TEOG in my example) would have created more momentum for the album. BTW was a big disappointment to many only to be followed up by a song that was an even bigger disappointment. Some people were losing hope in the album until TEOG was released.
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People talk about how "messy" the BTW era was, but artistically speaking, it really wasn't. Like, from the second she showed up to the Grammies in that egg, to now, with the hybrids, and aliens, and Mother GOAT of the BTWBall, like, this era was incredibly rich and consistent and carefully planned.

The only real mishaps, I think, came with release schedules and occasional outlier ordeals (basically, I'm referring to TEOG video debacle). Honestly, I think the single biggest "mistake" this era was releasing the promotional singles. Wouldn't have predicted it at the time, but hindsight is 20/20 and it's now clear that Gaga's more than big enough to entirely forego something like that. All the promo singles did was kill any chance Judas might have had (and I don't think it would have ever been a smash, but I think there was evidence that it could have sustained a decent--even if not explosive--chart run), cause a rushed release schedule, and probably destroy TEOG's chances at a number 1 once it was released as a proper single. I'm hoping we just get an album sampler for ARTPOP.

I think there were doubts on Gaga's ability to push first week numbers until BTW. She hadn't had huge debuts until that era.

I remember when Billboard predicted less than half of the total first week sales for the album.

I was referring to the production of Bad Kids, not the lyrics :) I understand with the whole message of BTW so she could create that sort of movement, but in terms of strictly album/single sales, I still stand by my opinion that a better first single (TEOG in my example) would have created more momentum for the album. BTW was a big disappointment to many only to be followed up by a song that was an even bigger disappointment. Some people were losing hope in the album until TEOG was released.

Being seen as a cultural movement fighting for equality is much more important than living up to fan expectations. All of the big names in music did more than just flex chart numbers for their fans.

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I think there were doubts on Gaga's ability to push first week numbers until BTW. She hadn't had huge debuts until that era.

I remember when Billboard predicted less than half of the total first week sales for the album.

Being seen as a cultural movement fighting for equality is much more important than living up to fan expectations. All of the big names in music did more than just flex chart numbers for their fans.

I think he meant disappointment in how it sounded not on what it preached.

People were expecting a catchy dance pop song with original Gaga hooks.

Most people liked it once it grew on them, but unfortunately some heard it the first time and didn't bother listening a second time

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