Yuuri 21,636 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 11,870 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 who? I don't mean to be rude. please explain this artist; I like the aesthetic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuri 21,636 Posted October 18, 2018 Author Share Posted October 18, 2018 Just now, Ziggy said: who? I don't mean to be rude. please explain this artist; I like the aesthetic That should jog your memory. They went solo, and then released their final album as Karmin (Leo Rising [R&B/Pop album and each song has a zodiac sign]), they revamped their image where she's the front of the "band" and he produces. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
INNA 3,721 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Kinda silly to make cultural appropriation the entire angle of your "solo" career. fragment-fragment--bul-uh...scab-uh..fragment-foot, bullet fragment foot bich! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuri 21,636 Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 30 minutes ago, good said: Kinda silly to make cultural appropriation the entire angle of your "solo" career. This is some honky nonsense tbh How is she cultural appropriating? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
INNA 3,721 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, Sharyu said: How is she cultural appropriating? The bronzer? The braids? The complete switch in persona from Karmin to QH and use of slang? It just seems so forcedt lol fragment-fragment--bul-uh...scab-uh..fragment-foot, bullet fragment foot bich! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterPaws 2,731 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 15 minutes ago, good said: The bronzer? The braids? The complete switch in persona from Karmin to QH and use of slang? It just seems so forcedt lol Ughhh. While I'm not a fan of the whole transition to Herby, I complete disagree. This is yet another case of PC-culture gone extreme. The braids (that Herby styles at least) aren't exclusive to whatever culture you're referring to. If you're referring to quote-unquote black culture, then you're thinking of cornrows not braids. Hair braiding has existed in every or nearly every culture in the world. Braids != specifically cornrows. Bronzer. This maaay be arguable (?) but I wonder what's your argument for bronzer being cultural appropriation. Tanning is associated with health and wellness, or in American pop culture with travel and wealth which go hand-in-hand (e.g. going on vacation for the weekend) and has become somewhat of a beauty standard. I don't see any underlying racial catalyst here.This is comparable to how lighter skin is favored in some Asian cultures not because of racism, but with the association of fairer skin with wealth and darker skin with the working class (who worked outdoors), eventually developing into a beauty standard we see today. If you were arguing for bronzer being the result of a class-ism divide, maybe. But that doesn't seem to be your argument. TL;DR: I rebuke your sentiment. I'm all for certain PC practices, but sweety this is isn't. It's illiberal and just another facet of the mob-rule mentality we sadly see today, lacking any intellectual substance or rationality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
INNA 3,721 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 13 hours ago, MonsterPaws said: Ughhh. While I'm not a fan of the whole transition to Herby, I complete disagree. This is yet another case of PC-culture gone extreme. The braids (that Herby styles at least) aren't exclusive to whatever culture you're referring to. If you're referring to quote-unquote black culture, then you're thinking of cornrows not braids. Hair braiding has existed in every or nearly every culture in the world. Braids != specifically cornrows. Bronzer. This maaay be arguable (?) but I wonder what's your argument for bronzer being cultural appropriation. Tanning is associated with health and wellness, or in American pop culture with travel and wealth which go hand-in-hand (e.g. going on vacation for the weekend) and has become somewhat of a beauty standard. I don't see any underlying racial catalyst here.This is comparable to how lighter skin is favored in some Asian cultures not because of racism, but with the association of fairer skin with wealth and darker skin with the working class (who worked outdoors), eventually developing into a beauty standard we see today. If you were arguing for bronzer being the result of a class-ism divide, maybe. But that doesn't seem to be your argument. TL;DR: I rebuke your sentiment. I'm all for certain PC practices, but sweety this is isn't. It's illiberal and just another facet of the mob-rule mentality we sadly see today, lacking any intellectual substance or rationality. I see... Well, the simple point stands that she's using a lot of black aesthetics to try and appeal... It really isn't endearing because she is trying so blatantly to fit herself into a black r&b image/sound when she's a white girl from Nebraska, and what she's doing now feels and sounds like something that's already been done better by black women. Watching the videos she just doesn't look natural or comfortable, not to mention her flow is weak and her voice is grating. Allllllso, you know what I mean about the braids--Her hair in the thumbnail from the Sade in the 90's video is a style that's traditionally worn by black or hispanic women. Also, I don't really believe she would bronze herself up just to appear healthy, it definitely seems she wants to appear as though she maybe isn't white? This is some Rachael Dolezal ****. Let's not act like it's cute. She should try to find her own style instead of just curating this pseudo-ethnic style and acting like she's been doing it since forever when she used to look like this. Do that challenge? fragment-fragment--bul-uh...scab-uh..fragment-foot, bullet fragment foot bich! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 19 minutes ago, good said: You sure do have a lot to say about this, but the simple point stands that she's using a lot of black aesthetics to try and appeal... It really isn't endearing because she is trying so blatantly to fit herself into a black r&b image/sound when she's a white girl from Nebraska, and what she's doing now feels and sounds like something that's already been done a good bit... Just better Funny how you don’t have a lot to say about it especially when they brought up specific points to argue against what you’ve stated. I completely agree with @MonsterPaws all the points they brought up were valid, insightful, & intelligent. Next time you wanna say someone is culturally appropriating something then be sure to have your proof. Back it up, otherwise don’t say it at all. If you think it’s cultural appropriation then tell us exactly why? Bronzing is & has been part of the make up world for centuries, braids have been part of almost every culture. Her whole aesthetic is a reflection of our times & the fashion choices seem to fit very well with what’s happening in music today. This is just another example of social justice warriors calling someone out because they can even though it isn’t true. I’m sick of people nonchalantly throwing around racist or cultural appropriation, unless you can prove why it is then don’t say it is just because you can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
INNA 3,721 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, lovedillon said: Funny how you don’t have a lot to say about it especially when they brought up specific points to argue against what you’ve stated. I completely agree with @MonsterPaws all the points they brought up were valid, insightful, & intelligent. Next time you wanna say someone is culturally appropriating something then be sure to have your proof. Back it up, otherwise don’t say it at all. If you think it’s cultural appropriation then tell us exactly why? Bronzing is & has been part of the make up world for centuries, braids have been part of almost every culture. Her whole aesthetic is a reflection of our times & the fashion choices seem to fit very well with what’s happening in music today. This is just another example of social justice warriors calling someone out because they can even though it isn’t true. I’m sick of people nonchalantly throwing around racist or cultural appropriation, unless you can prove why it is then don’t say it is just because you can. See above... edit fragment-fragment--bul-uh...scab-uh..fragment-foot, bullet fragment foot bich! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, good said: See above... edit Her Sade in the 90’s video didn’t pull from just black aesthetics, it pulled from 90’s aesthetics in general as a whole not to mention the Audrey Hepburn references. You can’t sit there & dictate whether someone is allowed to experiment with different genres or sounds, the majority of pop music out today are slow-burn pop jams & the aesthetics are all 90’s feels. Take Charli XCX for example for the image side of things or even Lana Del Rey for the sadcore slow-burn pop. Britney even did it after Selena’s album Revival. It’s just the way pop has been moving. Oh & not to mention, Gaga has changed her image so many times along with other artists. Music has pop music will always evolve. We had more hip hop then Gaga came & brought dance then EDM came then 4 to the floor then bubblegum pop & now this. It is what it is but it’s def wrong to say it’s cultural appropriation of a specific race. No specific race created the 90’s aesthetic, it was the youth of that time as a whole & the stars that ruled back then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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