ASIB to leak soon

[misunderstood 8,736]

2 hours ago, Bebe said:

Crowd cheering doesn't serve a narrative in most soundtracks though  The decision to include the crowd noises would have been made because it serves the narrative of the film, which the soundtrack should reflect - as the user you quoted was saying.

Well a lot of people don't think so and they can think that 

[KURUSHITOVSKA 20,451]

I hope he's one of those that buy vinyls for Instagram but then don't even own a turntable

[Bebe 17,106]

4 minutes ago, misunderstood said:

Well a lot of people don't think so and they can think that 

They don't think what? That the soundtrack should serve the narrative of the film? I mean that's the role of a soundtrack - especially in a musical  If you don't think that then I just think you come across as ignorant  The soundtrack was designed for a film it's not a Lady Gaga album in the same respect as her other work...

I thought you all wanted an Oscar too - film buffs listen to Soundtracks to appreciate the decisions made, from a musical perspective, in the film to help set tone, mood, atmosphere and compliment/move forward the narrative.

Nobody has to like the song, but at least place the song within it's proper context.

[misunderstood 8,736]

Just now, Bebe said:

They don't think what? That the soundtrack should serve the narrative of the film? I mean that's the role of a soundtrack - especially in a musical  If you don't think that then I just think you come across as ignorant  The soundtrack was designed for a film it's not a Lady Gaga album in the same respect as her other work...

I thought you all wanted an Oscar too - film buffs listen to Soundtracks to appreciate the decisions made, from a musical perspective, in the film to help set tone, mood, atmosphere and compliment/move forward the narrative.

Nobody has to like the song, but at least place the song within it's proper context.

I've seen plenty of soundtracks that don't have audience in the background. Nobody has to like the crowd cheering  Also you assumed this whole time that I don't like the song, I was just telling the user why some don't. I personally don't mind the crowd at all, I've been excited for this soundtrack ever since I knew it would be original music. Also I don't care about awards...at all. Yeah it's cool but I'm not one to have a meltdown if one of my favorite artists doesn't get a trophy lol.

[KURUSHITOVSKA 20,451]

Why do you guys worry about the crowd noises? From the 5.1 audio on the DVD we will probably be able to extract the channels that only have the song and remove those that have the crowd recorded.

[S0436 10,215]

I think vinyl buyers are music aficionado purists and won’t leak music

[Bebe 17,106]

22 minutes ago, misunderstood said:

I've seen plenty of soundtracks that don't have audience in the background. Nobody has to like the crowd cheering  Also you assumed this whole time that I don't like the song, I was just telling the user why some don't. I personally don't mind the crowd at all, I've been excited for this soundtrack ever since I knew it would be original music. Also I don't care about awards...at all. Yeah it's cool but I'm not one to have a meltdown if one of my favorite artists doesn't get a trophy lol.

Yeah I've heard plenty of soundtracks that don't have an audience in the background too  I think we've already covered that...

I'm glad you don't care about awards, but more than the recognition, the oscars represent excellence in film and the soundtrack is an extension to the film... Putting aside the trophy, to what it should represent, the soundtrack of a film should ideally transport the listener to the world of the film. The soundtrack (with it's sections of dialogue, live takes, audience cheers) is a way to showcase the musical choices made specifically for the film. 

Audience cheering isn't relevant for most soundtracks, or most songs on most soundtracks, but for Shallow it is. The structure of the song is designed for the scene it's featured in - the way it starts with Cooper, as Jackson, alone at the guitar and then leaves space with him repeating his guitar section as Ally hesitates to go on... The cheers as she comes on and the buildup as she slowly builds her confidence, the audience cheering her along - Jackson coming to harmonise with her giving her the final push of confidence until she finally finds her voice and her swing, the crowd erupting at the end.

This is an important moment for both characters in the film, Ally especially, it's important for the narrative of the film. The decisions they made in regards to this song, it's structure, it's lyrics, the mixing, the crowd noises - they are important musical choices made within the film to help to tell the story. The soundtrack showcases those choices and tells the story of the film musically.

So no, not every soundtrack you hear is going to have crowd noises - the vast majority won't.... Most soundtracks aren't even for musicals - they can have clean, polished songs that aid the narrative of the film through it's dramatic, somber or playful compositions. That's not this film though, music is a large part of this film, live performance is a significant part of this film and the soundtrack is supposed to highlight and showcase the musical choices that are important for the film and it's narrative. For ASIB that means live performances, song compositions made to highlight the tensions of the performances in the film and audience cheering.

Like I've already said - you don't need to like the song, you don't need to like the crowd cheering - but put the song in it's proper context... It's a song crafted specifically for a film, it's a song crafted specifically to serve the narrative of the film, the vision of the film is what every member of the cast and crew from every department is working towards. The soundtrack is an extension of that, as it should be. 

There's no point in complaining about crowd noises and wishing they where removed when it's clearly an element of the story they are trying to tell and the way they have told the story. There's no point in being upset that the soundtrack is doing what it's supposed to do - compliment the film and showcase the musical choices made for the film. It just doesn't make sense, to me, to critique the song as if it's meant for a normal Gaga album rather than as an extension of the film it was crafted for and as a showcase of the musical and sonic choices made for the film.

[Dayman 6,191]

28 minutes ago, Bebe said:

Yeah I've heard plenty of soundtracks that don't have an audience in the background too  I think we've already covered that...

I'm glad you don't care about awards, but more than the recognition, the oscars represent excellence in film and the soundtrack is an extension to the film... Putting aside the trophy, to what it should represent, the soundtrack of a film should ideally transport the listener to the world of the film. The soundtrack (with it's sections of dialogue, live takes, audience cheers) is a way to showcase the musical choices made specifically for the film. 

Audience cheering isn't relevant for most soundtracks, or most songs on most soundtracks, but for Shallow it is. The structure of the song is designed for the scene it's featured in - the way it starts with Cooper, as Jackson, alone at the guitar and then leaves space with him repeating his guitar section as Ally hesitates to go on... The cheers as she comes on and the buildup as she slowly builds her confidence, the audience cheering her along - Jackson coming to harmonise with her giving her the final push of confidence until she finally finds her voice and her swing, the crowd erupting at the end.

This is an important moment for both characters in the film, Ally especially, it's important for the narrative of the film. The decisions they made in regards to this song, it's structure, it's lyrics, the mixing, the crowd noises - they are important musical choices made within the film to help to tell the story. The soundtrack showcases those choices and tells the story of the film musically.

So no, not every soundtrack you hear is going to have crowd noises - the vast majority won't.... Most soundtracks aren't even for musicals - they can have clean, polished songs that aid the narrative of the film through it's dramatic, somber or playful compositions. That's not this film though, music is a large part of this film, live performance is a significant part of this film and the soundtrack is supposed to highlight and showcase the musical choices that are important for the film and it's narrative. For ASIB that means live performances, song compositions made to highlight the tensions of the performances in the film and audience cheering.

Like I've already said - you don't need to like the song, you don't need to like the crowd cheering - but put the song in it's proper context... It's a song crafted specifically for a film, it's a song crafted specifically to serve the narrative of the film, the vision of the film is what every member of the cast and crew from every department is working towards. The soundtrack is an extension of that, as it should be. 

There's no point in complaining about crowd noises and wishing they where removed when it's clearly an element of the story they are trying to tell and the way they have told the story. There's no point in being upset that the soundtrack is doing what it's supposed to do - compliment the film and showcase the musical choices made for the film. It just doesn't make sense, to me, to critique the song as if it's meant for a normal Gaga album rather than as an extension of the film it was crafted for and as a showcase of the musical and sonic choices made for the film.

I'm going to jump in here because I have a different opinion on the matter. The soundtrack should not have crowd noises. The idea that without the crowd noises somehow the narrative is lost is ridiculous. The lyrics are their own narrative and having crowd noises on a soundtrack detracts from the experience of the narrative of the lyrics and expression in vocals. When you have cheering over their voices it drowns them and the instrumental out. In the terms of a complete film it's appropriate and serves to give an audible reaction to what we visually see. On a soundtrack thats intention is to focus on the music of the experience the placement of crowd noise is inappropriate. In in effort to be complimentary to the film it actually is a muddied experience. You don't get the complete impact of the film and you don't get the sole impact of the music devoid of effects and additions.

[Bebe 17,106]

27 minutes ago, Dayman said:

I'm going to jump in here because I have a different opinion on the matter. The soundtrack should not have crowd noises. The idea that without the crowd noises somehow the narrative is lost is ridiculous. The lyrics are their own narrative and having crowd noises on a soundtrack detracts from the experience of the narrative of the lyrics and expression in vocals. When you have cheering over their voices it drowns them and the instrumental out. In the terms of a complete film it's appropriate and serves to give an audible reaction to what we visually see. On a soundtrack thats intention is to focus on the music of the experience the placement of crowd noise is inappropriate. In in effort to be complimentary to the film it actually is a muddied experience. You don't get the complete impact of the film and you don't get the sole impact of the music devoid of effects and additions.

I'm not saying that without the crowd noises the narrative is totally lost, I'm saying it's one element of the song that aides in the narrative. The lyrics are another, far more obvious, way they compliment and progress the narrative with their musical choices.

I simply disagree that the crowd noises detract from the lyrics or the vocal performance - they're pretty muted - The narrative is larger then the lyrics though, the musical choices that have been made are also more detailed than the lyrics. This is Jackson and Ally performing 'live' - which is important in the context of the story as it's Ally's first performance of a song she wrote and her first time in front of a large crowd - something the crowd noises help communicate. We know this song comes after the 'trust me' dialogue too - that leads into this song for an important reason too, the soundtrack is taking us on the journey of the movie and showcasing all the musical decisions they made to tell the story.

I absolutely think an element of the story-telling is lost without the crowd noises, the choice to include them is important because it's what Ally is experiencing in that moment... I think you kinda have to imagine the dialogue before is Bradley's whole "Look at me - all you have to do is trust me, that's all you gotta do" speech which serves as the introduction to Ally's first performance on a large stage, singing her own music.

I think it sets the atmosphere and the cheers along with other elements such as the production, mixing, song structure, lyrics communicate:  This is live, Jackson is a star, Ally is facing a big crowd, she's hesitant, the crowd are excited, Ally's nervous but the crowd warm to her instantly, Ally grows in confidence as the audience encourages her, Ally shines and delivers a triumphant performance which leads to the instant adoration of the audience - and the public at large catapulting her career.

I'm not saying the crowd cheering is EVERYTHING, but without them I do absolutely feel you miss an important element in how they are communicating and revealing the narrative musically. I don't think the song would communicate those narrative points as clearly or as effectively without the crowd noises.

The soundtrack is telling the same story as the movie. In the movie you can see the crowds, in the soundtrack they are telling the story sonically - you can hear the crowds.

[Dayman 6,191]

1 minute ago, Bebe said:

I'm not saying that without the crowd noises the narrative is totally lost, I'm saying it's one element of the song that aides in the narrative. The lyrics are another, far more obvious, way they compliment and progress the narrative with their musical choices.

I simply disagree that the crowd noises detract from the lyrics or the vocal performance - they're pretty muted - The narrative is larger then the lyrics though, the musical choices that have been made are also more detailed than the lyrics. This is Jackson and Ally performing 'live' - which is important in the context of the story as it's Ally's first performance of a song she wrote and her first time in front of a large crowd - something the crowd noises help communicate. We know this song comes after the 'trust me' dialogue too - that leads into this song for an important reason too, the soundtrack is taking us on the journey of the movie and showcasing all the musical decisions they made to tell the story.

I absolutely think an element of the story-telling is lost without the crowd noises, the choice to include them is important because it's what Ally is experiencing in that moment... I think you kinda have to imagine the dialogue before is Bradley's whole "Look at me - all you have to do is trust me, that's all you gotta do" speech which serves as the introduction to Ally's first performance on a large stage, singing her own music.

The crowd noises are an aide in telling that story, I think they are a pretty important element in telling that story, I think it sets the atmosphere and the cheers along with other elements such as the production, mixing, song structure, lyrics communicate:  This is live, Jackson is a star, Ally is facing a big crowd, she's hesitant, the crowd are excited, Ally's nervous but the crowd warm to her instantly, Ally grows in confidence as the audience encourages her, Ally shines and delivers a triumphant performance which leads to the instant adoration of the audience - and the public at large catapulting her career.

I'm not saying the crowd cheering is EVERYTHING, but without them I do absolutely feel you miss an important element in how they are communicating and revealing the narrative musically.

No I understand your point. I'm just saying why I disagree. I don't believe the soundtrack should be seeking to imitate the full experience of the film but that is exactly what the intent is. The soundtrack should be a separate experience. Getting the music independent from the the films context. There is already weight and meaning to the way they were wrote and constructed. The soundtrack should be the opportunity to showcase those choices on their own without the linear narrative of the film. That's why I feel as if the release is not complimentary to the film but rather just a reduced way to experience the film. If they had not included the effects and noise then the only focus would be on the lyrics and musical performance. It's not necessary to try and give the characters depth via the use of effects when listening to a single song off the soundtrack - which is how it will be consumed by the vast majority on streaming platforms and digital purchases. The film should be it's own unique experience and the soundtrack should be its own unique experience. It's not a standard musical or drama formula though which is why I think they have made these choices. Once the full soundtrack is released I'm sure this whole subject will be revisited. Personally I still think that if they wanted to release the soundtrack in its current form than they should've done it as a 2-disc experience. One just the studio tracks and the other being the version coming out that is the film experience one.

[Bebe 17,106]

8 minutes ago, Dayman said:

No I understand your point. I'm just saying why I disagree. I don't believe the soundtrack should be seeking to imitate the full experience of the film but that is exactly what the intent is. The soundtrack should be a separate experience. Getting the music independent from the the films context. There is already weight and meaning to the way they were wrote and constructed. The soundtrack should be the opportunity to showcase those choices on their own without the linear narrative of the film. That's why I feel as if the release is not complimentary to the film but rather just a reduced way to experience the film. If they had not included the effects and noise then the only focus would be on the lyrics and musical performance. It's not necessary to try and give the characters depth via the use of effects when listening to a single song off the soundtrack - which is how it will be consumed by the vast majority on streaming platforms and digital purchases. The film should be it's own unique experience and the soundtrack should be its own unique experience. It's not a standard musical or drama formula though which is why I think they have made these choices. Once the full soundtrack is released I'm sure this whole subject will be revisited. Personally I still think that if they wanted to release the soundtrack in its current form than they should've done it as a 2-disc experience. One just the studio tracks and the other being the version coming out that is the film experience one.

Well, I personally think a soundtrack should showcase the musical and sonic choices made in the film and highlight how these choices progress the film. I really disagree with the idea of the soundtrack being a totally seperate experience - it should be about the film always - every element of the film including the soundtrack should aim to serve the creative vision of the film and help build and strengthen the world of the film.

When I listen to a film soundtrack I want to hear the world the film has built separately from the visual. I want to appreciate how the film has told the story through it's music and sonic landscape. I think listening to Shallow on the soundtrack does provide a different, unique experience to experiencing it on screen, but it's not removed from the world of the film which I find important. I just think it also allows the often overlooked musical choices in the film to really shine and stand out. 

[warrentw 898]

They should of just had a deluxe version the first cd the live recordings and then the seconds cd with just the studio versions of the songs with none of the dialog tracks.

saying that though if that was released this fan base would still find something to moan about.

 

[gypsy101 5,453]

i’m assuming the people complaining about the crowd noises didn’t buy the single and instead are listening on youtube or to a rip because in the itunes version the cheering only happens like 4 times and even then it’s pretty faint and unobtrusive to the listening experience. basically in this scenario complainers = cheap or poor

[Summer Boy 1,038]

Still hasn't leaked?

[ModernEcstasy 9,088]

What exactly will be the case for songs that are not in the movie? Will they at least be studio versions?

I really don’t like that they decided to use live versions. It’s made me a lot less excited about the soundtrack as I doubt I will listen to it on a regular basis anymore