Lady Gaga talks BTW sales/tour, defends electronic music

[PopBitch 1,218]

21 sounds like the same song over and over again tbh.

Now with Born This Way, it's the complete opposite, and that to me, is what makes it an amazing album

See, I feel differently. I pulled out Born This Way to give it yet another chance again. Mind you, I listen to quite a few of her songs on my iPod, just not the whole album. It just starts sounding alike as it goes on. I get bored. She made a huge mistake making it so bloated. Rip out some of the filler and put out a tight album and it wouldn't have felt that way to me.

[gagaforprog 2]

See, I feel differently. I pulled out Born This Way to give it yet another chance again. Mind you, I listen to quite a few of her songs on my iPod, just not the whole album. It just starts sounding alike as it goes on. I get bored. She made a huge mistake making it so bloated. Rip out some of the filler and put out a tight album and it wouldn't have felt that way to me.

So you think

Marry The Night

Goverment Hooker

Hair

Americano

Bloody Mary

Highway Unicorn

The Queen

You and I

Edge of Glory

Sound the same???????

All these songs have a totally different vibe.

You may be able to say that one or other songs on the album sound like one of these. But that would be at least EIGHT different song types

[PopBitch 1,218]

So you think

Marry The Night

Goverment Hooker

Hair

Americano

Bloody Mary

Highway Unicorn

The Queen

You and I

Edge of Glory

Sound the same???????

All these songs have a totally different vibe.

You may be able to say that one or other songs on the album sound like one of these. But that would be at least SEIGHT different song types.

I happen to love all the songs you mentioned except Americano.

I guess you didn't read my post. I said if she would have taken out some of the filler and made a tighter, shorter album (than the 17 songs), then it wouldn't have felt that way to me and all the songs I like would have popped more in the middle section..

[gagaforprog 2]

I happen to love all the songs you mentioned except Americano.

I guess you didn't read my post. I said if she would have taken out some of the filler and made a tighter, shorter album (than the 17 songs), then it wouldn't have felt that way to me and all the songs I like would have popped more in the middle section..

Actually I did notice you said that about "filler" stuff when I re-read your post

But I still saw that you said it "all started to sound alike",. That was the point I was making.

And I dont listenAmericano either - I think it's crap :) Didn't she do it at the Radio One Big Weekend though with some proper latino style brass.

However, I don't mind a 70+ minute album with maybe 20 minutes of poorer material. I still have 50 minutes of quality material.

[kupo 201]

I can't at all the Americano hate. That's, like, her nuttiest, most creative, most "Gaga" song on the whole record! It's totally unhinged, but that's also what makes it one of her best records to date.

[Nissa 51]

I can't at all the Americano hate. That's, like, her nuttiest, most creative, most "Gaga" song on the whole record! It's totally unhinged, but that's also what makes it one of her best records to date.

Totally agreed. It's a pure, unadulterated "Gaga" song, one of her most creative as well which is saying a lot, AND it's a protest song to boot! LOVE it.

[Gagaloo911 12,959]

It's not sickening, just different than yours.

gimmicks, tricks, outlandish costumes, pyrotechnics etc. are entertaining, but they also serve to mask the lack of substance in the music, and unproportional uses of those could dilute the actual talent of the musician itself which may be better off without it.

In my opinion, the ability command the audience with just a microphone, a piano, and a voice, is the definition of true artist.

Well that is where you are wrong. Saying Born This Way (the album) has no substance and isn't meaningful in any way is a load of crock, and makes you sound very ignorant.

The costumes, gimmicks, etc. are just apart of who GaGa is. No, she doesn't have to do it, but it is who she is and as GaGa puts it, apart of her "artistic expression". She was born this way.

And the fact that people still don't understand the message of "Born This Way' and what it truly means at its core is a disgrace.

[TheAmazingAdele 0]

Well in all honesty Adele is not as successful as Gaga. Yeah, Adele had one big album with two big hits on it, but what else has she got on her side? Gaga has three successful albums and and a bunch of hits. Besides all that though, I honestly believe Gaga is just as good a vocalist as Adele is when she is actually singing more vocally impressive music. Also, Gaga is much much much bigger throughout the WORLD while Adele is only really big in American and the UK.

They are more than just a big album and big hits,

"21" is "Album of the Decade" while,

"Rolling in the Deep/Someone Like You" are the "Anthems of the Generation"

It's official.

I laughed when people say things like Adele's not famous beyond US and UK. I live in Asia, Adele is just as famous here as Gaga, in fact her stock is higher among 20-30somethings who'll most likely ignore Gaga's music. I travelled to South Africa last April, and I was in this bus in Cape Town, and there was a group of native school girls sitting near me belting out "The One and Only" not RITD/SLY It's very much of an evidence that the album has struck the entire globe.

I am not putting Adele down in this topic, just clarifying things.

You cannot in any way speak for others like that. I know it may seem like I am, but I did say "suspect". You are one of the still large 20% I alluded to.who DO still listen to "21"

In fact, due to the utter crap that is on sale at the moment, including the stuff that is usually to top of the UK charts, the Adele album was like manna from heaven - and something of a good musical standard that people could relate to. She is certainly far superior to the likes of Take That.

However, I now several people in my office that have simply stopped listening to the Adele album.

In the UK - the majority of Adele fans are middle aged (watch the concert at the Royal Albert Hall to confirm this). i.e over 35s

Unlike myself, the majority of UK middle aged people are not avid music fans who don't have the same level of "devotion" to music and who would not travel to London from all corners of the UK to see her. Take That and Spice Girls are in their domain. They are also less savvy when it comes to illegally downloading music. Ergo higher sales

The largest audience Adele has ever played to in the UK was at the Albert Hall which is around 8,000.

She has played one Arena in the USA (but they limited the capacity to 10,000 for her. I've researched this before, but cannot recall at the moment where that was.

Adele on her last UK tour played places like the Brighton Pavilion and Bristol City Hall (when "21" was selling very well.

She is not a Stadium act - she would just be lost in that environment. That is for the likes of U2, Pink Floyd, Madonna, Take That (probably) and of course GAGA

You need dynamic music for places like Twickenham with a big set/light show etc.

And when it comes to making money in a big way these days - it is selling out world-wide tours in Arenas and Stadia that rule.

In 1970, an album cost £2 in the UK , and a concert ticket might have been £1 to £1.50.

Now it is £12 for an album and £60 - £120 for a concert. ticket. Do the maths.

Adele is not a stadium or even an arena artist, she'll never be one. Adele is more of an intimate performer, when she performs she likes to look at the audience's faces and have a chat with them. I think she should stick to that. But in terms of selling concert tickets, I don't think she'll have a problem to sell just as much and just as fast as the likes of Gaga, Take That, or U2.

If albums sales doesn't mean that much, then why are people got so riled up about Adele's slaying other artists sales?

Well that is where you are wrong. Saying Born This Way (the album) has no substance and isn't meaningful in any way is a load of crock, and makes you sound very ignorant.

The costumes, gimmicks, etc. are just apart of who GaGa is. No, she doesn't have to do it, but it is who she is and as GaGa puts it, apart of her "artistic expression". She was born this way.

And the fact that people still don't understand the message of "Born This Way' and what it truly means at its core is a disgrace.

I understand "Born This Way" concept and ideas through and through which was great, but when it comes to the final product, it is just not that good.

You can't FORCE people to appreciate something when they don't. Calling others disgraceful, ignorant, loads of crock just because they didn't like your faves as much as you do, is what I would define as deluded.

[Pop Muse Tumblr 1]

in april adele confirmed it will take her 2 years from now until the next album! she wants to write and produce it on her own. no big hiatus!

NOT adele becoming this generation's kate bush before gaga :eek:

the field of pop music would be so epic if BOTH adele and gaga did their own thing by writing and producing their own music.

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In fact, due to the utter crap that is on sale at the moment, including the stuff that is usually to top of the UK charts, the Adele album was like manna from heaven - and something of a good musical standard that people could relate to. She is certainly far superior to the likes of Take That.

However, I now several people in my office that have simply stopped listening to the Adele album.

In the UK - the majority of Adele fans are middle aged (watch the concert at the Royal Albert Hall to confirm this). i.e over 35s

Unlike myself, the majority of UK middle aged people are not avid music fans who don't have the same level of "devotion" to music and who would not travel to London from all corners of the UK to see her. Take That and Spice Girls are in their domain. They are also less savvy when it comes to illegally downloading music. Ergo higher sales ;)

The largest audience Adele has ever played to in the UK was at the Albert Hall which is around 8,000.

She has played one Arena in the USA (but they limited the capacity to 10,000 for her. I've researched this before, but cannot recall at the moment where that was.

Adele on her last UK tour played places like the Brighton Pavilion and Bristol City Hall (when "21" was selling very well.

She is not a Stadium act - she would just be lost in that environment. That is for the likes of U2, Pink Floyd, Madonna, Take That (probably) and of course GAGA

You need dynamic music for places like Twickenham with a big set/light show etc.

And when it comes to making money in a big way these days - it is selling out world-wide tours in Arenas and Stadia that rule.

In 1970, an album cost £2 in the UK , and a concert ticket might have been £1 to £1.50.

Now it is £12 for an album and £60 - £120 for a concert. ticket. Do the maths.

great points though! granted, take that sold out EIGHT wembley stadiums on their recent tou and celine dion was able to perform at wembley stadium but adele is NOT a stadium act like they are.

[gagaforprog 2]

In my opinion, the ability command the audience with just a microphone, a piano, and a voice, is the definition of true artist.

Absolutely correct - and GaGa can do this ON HER OWN.

GaGa totally captivated the 60,000 - ish crowd at Twickenham doing just that.

[gagaforprog 2]

If albums sales doesn't mean that much, then why are people got so riled up about Adele's slaying other artists sales?

cause they didn't like your faves as much as you do, is what I would define as deluded.

I never said they didn't mean much - I said they are second to successful touring for an performers revenue these days.

I may well be wrong but I am sure the majority of Adele fans would only go to see her at a venue they can ge a taxi home from.

Adele I am sure would love to play to Arenas - as The Royal Albert Hall is far from the intimate type of venue you mentioned.

[TheAmazingAdele 0]

I never said they didn't mean much - I said they are second to successful touring for an performers revenue these days.

I may well be wrong but I am sure the majority of Adele fans would only go to see her at a venue they can ge a taxi home from.

Adele I am sure would love to play to Arenas - as The Royal Albert Hall is far from the intimate type of venue you mentioned.

And you are very wrong, given how fast her tickets wer sold, not only fans were willing to travel far to see her live, they willing to pay more for the tickets because they are so difficult to attain. That's a concern because at some venues, the ticket price began spiraling out of control from £29 at normal price to £840 (!)

I saw her at the 19000 capacity Hollywood Bowl which she had sold out during the "An Evening with Adele" Tour (before the success of 21) and she held that crowd at the palm of her hand. With the LA Philharmonic behind her, it was one of the best concerts I've ever seen.

[Babel 41,495]

Yeah, Adele is very cool and all (I really like her), but she hasn't had the cultural impact Gaga has had all around the world to be named as the "something" of this generation.

Even Rihanna has had much more cultural impact than Adele, to held a tittle.

I'm sorry but it's not about selling albums and having a good voice, it's much more than that.

For example, where is Mariah Carey (the most beautiful and talented voice pop culture could EVER had, 18 #1 songs (most #1s by a solo artist, 20 years of career, lots and lots of albums sold, and a big etc.) and where is Madonna right now?

Who is remembered worldwide as the biggest star of the past decades?

[gagaforprog 2]

And you are very wrong, given how fast her tickets wer sold, not only fans were willing to travel far to see her live, they willing to pay more for the tickets because they are so difficult to attain. That's a concern because at some venues, the ticket price began spiraling out of control from £29 at normal price to £840 (!)

I saw her at the 19000 capacity Hollywood Bowl which she had sold out during the "An Evening with Adele" Tour (before the success of 21) and she held that crowd in the palm of her hand. With the LA Philharmonic behind her, it was one of the best concerts I've seen.

Here are the venues for that tour

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Evening_with_Adele

Only one "big" date at the Bowl. The majority are sub 2500 - some about 500 (Queens Hall in Edinburgh). I've seen a gig their - it's small.

When I looked at the tour in 2011, she was booked into similar theatres - but was upgraded to places that could hold 5,000+ as I recall

Promoters are not stupid, if they think that an act can jump up to +15,000 arena EVERY night they would book the acts into those arenas. The promoters would have put her on a second night at the bowl if they thought tickets would sell.

Every single venue on that tour can pass the taxi test - including the Bowl. It's LA for heaven's sake. You will obviously get a small number who are prepared to travel for any act

GaGa started the Monsterball 1 in 2009, and immediately re-schuduled to arenas for 2010 Monster Ball 2 (funding the re-vamp herself which caused her to slip initially into about $3,000,000 debt) - and has been selling out arena from then on. Now she has taken the step to selling out multiple dates at 50,000+ stadia

[Gagaloo911 12,959]

They are more than just a big album and big hits,

"21" is "Album of the Decade" while,

"Rolling in the Deep/Someone Like You" are the "Anthems of the Generation"

It's official.

I laughed when people say things like Adele's not famous beyond US and UK. I live in Asia, Adele is just as famous here as Gaga, in fact her stock is higher among 20-30somethings who'll most likely ignore Gaga's music. I travelled to South Africa last April, and I was in this bus in Cape Town, and there was a group of native school girls sitting near me belting out "The One and Only" not RITD/SLY It's very much of an evidence that the album has struck the entire globe.

Adele is not a stadium or even an arena artist, she'll never be one. Adele is more of an intimate performer, when she performs she likes to look at the audience's faces and have a chat with them. I think she should stick to that. But in terms of selling concert tickets, I don't think she'll have a problem to sell just as much and just as fast as the likes of Gaga, Take That, or U2.

If albums sales doesn't mean that much, then why are people got so riled up about Adele's slaying other artists sales?

I understand "Born This Way" concept and ideas through and through which was great, but when it comes to the final product, it is just not that good.

You can't FORCE people to appreciate something when they don't. Calling others disgraceful, ignorant, loads of crock just because they didn't like your faves as much as you do, is what I would define as deluded.

Yea, talk to me again when Adele has had the cultural impact GaGa has had, and when Adele has reached even HALF the level of Fame that GaGa has.

Born This Way was far more important an album than 21 will ever be, regardless if you liked or even appreciated BTW. It's helped countless teens and monsters alike, and has given them a sense of freedom and solitude. Tell me again how 21 has had even half that impact.

Two words: It hasn't