Trump wants Sessions to end Mueller probe

[Morphine Prince 109,654]

 

[shoful 13,304]

Good. Stop wasting tax payers money. Its been over a year 

[ryanripley 86,575]

[Chromatislaps 34,854]

We been knew, but Mueller needs to finish this investigation... 

[Maleficent 6]

Mueller we were all rooting for you but its been a year. WYD brother 

[gagabro 268]

39 minutes ago, shoful said:

Good. Stop wasting tax payers money. Its been over a year 

 

7 minutes ago, Maleficent said:

Mueller we were all rooting for you but its been a year. WYD brother 

Lol there have been multiple indictments already, and trials for other suspected criminal activities just began THIS WEEK. The Nixon and Clinton investigations took 2+ years each ... this is just the beginning 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-muellers-first-year-compares-to-watergate-iran-contra-and-whitewater/

There's a good chart on there. You can see the number of indictments and pleas compared to other high-profile presidential investigations. 

[shoful 13,304]

1 minute ago, gagabro said:

 

Lol there have been multiple indictments already, and trials for other suspected criminal activities just began TODAY. The Nixon and Clinton investigations took 3+ years each ... this is just the beginning 

Multiple indictments for everything besides the election lol. I mean there have been indictments for Russian interfering with the election but most of that is just stupid because our court of law doesnt hold up in Russia. There have been absolutely no indictments regarding an American revolving around the Trump campaign as far as I know. Paul Manafort’s were from his own stupidity in the past 

[Bebe 17,289]

6 hours ago, shoful said:

Multiple indictments for everything besides the election lol. I mean there have been indictments for Russian interfering with the election but most of that is just stupid because our court of law doesnt hold up in Russia. There have been absolutely no indictments regarding an American revolving around the Trump campaign as far as I know. Paul Manafort’s were from his own stupidity in the past 

I mean just looking at the convictions:

George Papadopoulos: Former Trump Campaign Foreign Policy Advisor, continued in that role after Trump became President. Convicted October 5, 2017 for lying to the FBI regarding communications with Russians.

Michael Flynn: Trump Campaign Advisor, appointed by Trump as National Security Advisor and Director of National Intelligence, perhaps the most sensitive position related to national security in the Administration. Convicted (by guilty plea) on December 1, 2017 for lying to the FBI and regarding contacts and communications with Russians on behalf of the Trump transition team. The plea bargain agreement requires that Flynn fully cooperate with the investigation.

Richard Pinedo: California man convicted February 2, 2018 for helping the indicted Russian individuals and companies in their meddling in the Presidential election. Pinedo helped the Russians use dummy bank accounts to work around the security of companies like PayPal. Pinedo helped the Russians appear online as if they were Americans. Pinedo is now cooperating with Mueller’s team.

Alex Van der Zwaan: The son-in-law of a Russian oligarch pleads guilty on February 20, 2018 for lying to the FBI regarding his communications with Rick Gates and Paul Manafort on behalf of pro-Soviet elements in the Ukraine. The communications involved were in September 2016, shortly after Manafort left the Trump Campaign and while Gates was still part of the campaign.

 

Rick Gates: As widely anticipated, on February 23, 2018 Rick Gates strikes a plea agreement and pleads guilty to multiple counts for conspiracy to defraud the United States and making false statements. Gates is Manafort’s long term right hand man who stayed with the Trump Campaign and the administration after Manafort left. Gates agrees that a government drafted Statement of Criminal Information spells out facts and allegations that are true. The Criminal Information Gates stipulates to completely sells out Manafort as it details wide ranging schemes to defraud the United States, money launder, bank fraud and tax fraud. Gates admits to making false statements even after originally indicted in late October 2017 and the Criminal Information seems to indicate Manafort did too. The criminal enterprises detailed in the Criminal Information, and in the Superseding Indictment filed the day before, include many instances of these crimes being committed while Gates and Manafort were working for the Trump Campaign and while Gates was working in the Trump Administration. As is typical, the plea agreement requires that Gates “shall cooperate fully, truthfully, completely and forthrightly with this Office and other Federal, state and local law enforcement authorities identified by this Office in any and all matters to which this Office deems cooperation relevant.”

Jeffrey Yohai: On May 17, 2018 the Wall Street Journal reports Mueller secured a sixth conviction and another cooperating witness against Manafort. Jeffrey Yohai was a business associate of Manafort’s and until divorcing last year the husband to one of Manafort’s daughters. The Wall Street Journal Reports he entered a guilty plea in January that remains under seal as he has been cooperating with the Mueller team since. The WSJ says Yohai plead guilty to a variety of bank and real estate fraud matters and that pursuant to his plea bargain is required to fully cooperate with Mueller’s investigation.


These convictions include people close to Trump during his campaign and during his administration who unlawfully contacted and co-operated with Russians. 

Even if you think that Trump is innocent, there is clearly a lot that's been going on and an investigation that needs to be completed. The amount of indictments and convictions this investigation has already managed is incredible for it's short span. This investigation is still only just beginning, there is a lot of work to be done, a lot of indictments and convictions already building up.

A year isn't a lot of time when it comes to these kind of investigations. The truth is, it's bringing up clear results. 

[shoful 13,304]

14 minutes ago, Fable said:

I mean just looking at the convictions:

George Papadopoulos: Former Trump Campaign Foreign Policy Advisor, continued in that role after Trump became President. Convicted October 5, 2017 for lying to the FBI regarding communications with Russians.

Michael Flynn: Trump Campaign Advisor, appointed by Trump as National Security Advisor and Director of National Intelligence, perhaps the most sensitive position related to national security in the Administration. Convicted (by guilty plea) on December 1, 2017 for lying to the FBI and regarding contacts and communications with Russians on behalf of the Trump transition team. The plea bargain agreement requires that Flynn fully cooperate with the investigation.

Richard Pinedo: California man convicted February 2, 2018 for helping the indicted Russian individuals and companies in their meddling in the Presidential election. Pinedo helped the Russians use dummy bank accounts to work around the security of companies like PayPal. Pinedo helped the Russians appear online as if they were Americans. Pinedo is now cooperating with Mueller’s team.

Alex Van der Zwaan: The son-in-law of a Russian oligarch pleads guilty on February 20, 2018 for lying to the FBI regarding his communications with Rick Gates and Paul Manafort on behalf of pro-Soviet elements in the Ukraine. The communications involved were in September 2016, shortly after Manafort left the Trump Campaign and while Gates was still part of the campaign.

 

Rick Gates: As widely anticipated, on February 23, 2018 Rick Gates strikes a plea agreement and pleads guilty to multiple counts for conspiracy to defraud the United States and making false statements. Gates is Manafort’s long term right hand man who stayed with the Trump Campaign and the administration after Manafort left. Gates agrees that a government drafted Statement of Criminal Information spells out facts and allegations that are true. The Criminal Information Gates stipulates to completely sells out Manafort as it details wide ranging schemes to defraud the United States, money launder, bank fraud and tax fraud. Gates admits to making false statements even after originally indicted in late October 2017 and the Criminal Information seems to indicate Manafort did too. The criminal enterprises detailed in the Criminal Information, and in the Superseding Indictment filed the day before, include many instances of these crimes being committed while Gates and Manafort were working for the Trump Campaign and while Gates was working in the Trump Administration. As is typical, the plea agreement requires that Gates “shall cooperate fully, truthfully, completely and forthrightly with this Office and other Federal, state and local law enforcement authorities identified by this Office in any and all matters to which this Office deems cooperation relevant.”

Jeffrey Yohai: On May 17, 2018 the Wall Street Journal reports Mueller secured a sixth conviction and another cooperating witness against Manafort. Jeffrey Yohai was a business associate of Manafort’s and until divorcing last year the husband to one of Manafort’s daughters. The Wall Street Journal Reports he entered a guilty plea in January that remains under seal as he has been cooperating with the Mueller team since. The WSJ says Yohai plead guilty to a variety of bank and real estate fraud matters and that pursuant to his plea bargain is required to fully cooperate with Mueller’s investigation.


These convictions include people close to Trump during his campaign and during his administration who unlawfully contacted and co-operated with Russians. 

Even if you think that Trump is innocent, there is clearly a lot that's been going on and an investigation that needs to be completed. The amount of indictments and convictions this investigation has already managed is incredible for it's short span. This investigation is still only just beginning, there is a lot of work to be done, a lot of indictments and convictions already building up.

A year isn't a lot of time when it comes to these kind of investigations. The truth is, it's bringing up clear results. 

I appreciate you laying this all out for me but Jesus you spent way too much time on this to post it on a Lady Gaga forum 

[ichigo 0]

good news. haha

[ryanripley 86,575]

2 hours ago, shoful said:

I appreciate you laying this all out for me but Jesus you spent way too much time on this to post it on a Lady Gaga forum 

lets not criticise those that actually post facts that are backed up for once

[ItsTommyBitch 12,640]

It is very simple. If there is nothing to hide, there is no problem with the investigation.

"Wasting Tax payers dollars" has been the conservative boogeyman for decades anytime they don't want anything to happen  If they actually cared about saving money for the public they'd do jack **** to make that happen, or heck, even improve the financial stability of the middle class  

[Chic 20,830]

8 minutes ago, ItsTommyBitch said:

It is very simple. If there is nothing to hide, there is no problem with the investigation.

"Wasting Tax payers dollars" has been the conservative boogeyman for decades anytime they don't want anything to happen  If they actually cared about saving money for the public they'd do jack **** to make that happen, or heck, even improve the financial stability of the middle class  

Democrat-run cities notoriously waste tax payer dollars, I do think conservatives roll with it to the extreme, but at the same time I get it:

https://pix11.com/2017/07/06/tiny-2-million-dollar-public-bathroom-opens-in-brooklyn-park/

This is such an irresponsible and unnecessary use of tax dollars, I think.

[ItsTommyBitch 12,640]

10 minutes ago, Chic said:

Democrat-run cities notoriously waste tax payer dollars, I do think conservatives roll with it to the extreme, but at the same time I get it:

https://pix11.com/2017/07/06/tiny-2-million-dollar-public-bathroom-opens-in-brooklyn-park/

This is such an irresponsible and unnecessary use of tax dollars, I think.

While Democrats are generally for bigger federal budget and spending, its not like that example of money mismanagement is indicative of the intents of the Democratic party, or its practice really. Democrats dont fundamentally mismanage money, they believe in investing money in people and projects and things that will ultimately benefit society. That's obviously going to be more expensive than doing nothing and being okay with the way things just are - even if they are corrupt, borderline monopoly, and favor businesses and the rich over the average person  It also has zilch to do with the point that Republicans only hide behind the ruse of "lower spending + lower government interference" in order to increase their own wealth and the wealth of the upper class. The lower and middle class are pretty much directly hurt by this - look at the long term effects of the tax cuts from last year and the proposed $100 billion tax break for the wealthy Trump just announced that he wants to do without Congress. Like, WHY? There are many things that Republicans do that can be considered "wastes of money" - like the way that they organize the budget and prioritize things that will not help the average person over things that we know are critical to quality of life and success  They might not be breaking the bank but I'd wager they are mismanaging money in much more insidious ways.

I don't know the numbers exactly, but I'm pretty positive that the average person is not paying any noticeable, sizeable chunk of their income towards the Mueller probe of all things  People get outraged at the concept of their hard earned money going towards taxes, but when you explain to them what the taxes do or the importance of the programs the taxes go to, logical people tend to be much more okay with it  Unfortunately, this is as partisan as it gets. You could tell people Obama, Hillary, and the Democrats are funding a sure fire cure for cancer and Republicans could spin that into being a bad thing with raucous approval and outrage all over the nation  

[sarahb 17,187]