Should Gaga stop working with overconfident/cocky people?

[SLAG 7]

13 minutes ago, Nemo said:

Yeah, no, I don't think any of that is right. People get confused because she's kind-hearted and usually nice, but she's also an egomaniac, or at least she used to be. I do think she's been humbled a bit since her peak, but she can still get pretty grandiose at times. I don't blame her for it -- I doubt she could've gotten where she is without it.

Sis you serving the REAL chamomile with crumpets and jam and making a proper English Bitch outta me. People gotta stop thinking hey know Gaga just by how she is when she’s out in public. 

[ARTBOP 7,433]

Please, Whitney once said said she was sure her album "My Love Is Your Love" would have at least 6 hit songs, and bitch... 6 hit songs it had.

There's truly nothing wrong with being confident. In fact, wouldn't she look quite stupid in interviews, before her album even dropped and we heard any of the songs, saying she doesn't really believe in what she's putting out. Can you imagine? "I don't really know, it's fine, I guess..." Why put it out then? I'm sorry, but that's not how you sell anything.

Being confident doesn't mean you can't be humble and kind hearted at the same time.

[Chickens in Malibu 7,873]

1 hour ago, ARTBOP said:

Please, Whitney once said said she was sure her album "My Love Is Your Love" would have at least 6 hit songs, and bitch... 6 hit songs it had.

There's truly nothing wrong with being confident. In fact, wouldn't she look quite stupid in interviews, before her album even dropped and we heard any of the songs, saying she doesn't really believe in what she's putting out. Can you imagine? "I don't really know, it's fine, I guess..." Why put it out then? I'm sorry, but that's not how you sell anything.

Being confident doesn't mean you can't be humble and kind hearted at the same time.

Except that Gaga has remained TOTALLY quiet about LG6. It's her producers that keep hyping it up. I like her approach with her albums how she doesn't hype them up anymore. But these producers on LG6 are doing it again. Remember how they hyped up ARTPOP and when it underperformed the media went ham on her. Joanne? Wasn't hyped at all. And it was much better received than ARTPOP, even though it wasn't a big commercial success. LG6 is starting to look a lot like ARTPOP with these guys.

I'm more excited about ASIB lol, because I have a feeling ASIB soundtrack will be better than LG6. I know it's negative to say so, but that's my feeling right now.

 

[ryanripley 86,575]

7 minutes ago, nicolasrumet said:

Except that Gaga has remained TOTALLY quiet about LG6. It's her producers that keep hyping it up. I like her approach with her albums how she doesn't hype them up anymore. But these producers on LG6 are doing it again. Remember how they hyped up ARTPOP and when it underperformed the media went ham on her. Joanne? Wasn't hyped at all. And it was much better received than ARTPOP, even though it wasn't a big commercial success. LG6 is starting to look a lot like ARTPOP with these guys.

I'm more excited about ASIB lol, because I have a feeling ASIB soundtrack will be better than LG6. I know it's negative to say so, but that's my feeling right now.

 

they've literally said the MOST minimal things

it's your own fault if the hype is too much for you. we know nothing solid about LG6 yet lmao

[VOLANTIS 16,413]

2 hours ago, PrinceGaga said:

I remember Gaga during 2016 Howard Stern after having played ‘Ayo’ - she said “now that’s a hit song”. Given your definition of overconfident I wouldn’t put Gaga necessarily into the category of humble imo. 

Gaga calling ARTPOP "Album of the millennium" was also so cringy even before we heard what it was..   

[JevyDuty 2,961]

18 minutes ago, VOLANTIS said:

Gaga calling ARTPOP "Album of the millennium" was also so cringy even before we heard what it was..   

Yes! 

I read through the whole thread to write this and you beat me in the last second. 

The OP is dead on. They don't have to hide their confidence but they should learn how to speak clearly as if they're speaking to millions of people because they are. #2018RadioIsOurs crap was BEYOND overconfident. She won't even have a new song on radio for more than 3 months, if any.

[Killa 17,634]

Boyz noise and mark nylan jr are the definition of down to earth not overly egocentric artists

What r u even on about. Yeah djws sometimes gives impression he convinces himself hes inenting wheels. He has good ideas but most of his music is over the place and hes still looking for his own musical expression.

Lots of these people say hit as a song they make that stands out. Its like its a single contender. In a world where billions of songs are created everyday and they listrn to lot of em, that one stood out. 

Okay. And gaga used to be hatef cause she has a cocky attitude. One biggest fuels, no one cared if ny people are like that.. also was one her strongest traits

[SwissMonster 29,120]

Euhm, for real?

In my eyes she already stoped to work with such people. Those you mentioned are nothing compared to the people she had in her team in the past! (Troy Carter for example )

[SwissMonster 29,120]

51 minutes ago, nicolasrumet said:

Except that Gaga has remained TOTALLY quiet about LG6. It's her producers that keep hyping it up. I like her approach with her albums how she doesn't hype them up anymore. But these producers on LG6 are doing it again. Remember how they hyped up ARTPOP and when it underperformed the media went ham on her. Joanne? Wasn't hyped at all. And it was much better received than ARTPOP, even though it wasn't a big commercial success. LG6 is starting to look a lot like ARTPOP with these guys.

I'm more excited about ASIB lol, because I have a feeling ASIB soundtrack will be better than LG6. I know it's negative to say so, but that's my feeling right now.

 

Yeah no...

This:

43 minutes ago, ryanripley said:

they've literally said the MOST minimal things

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The Fact that, yes ARTPOP got hyped, but „the flop“ what concerns the GP is the fact that they where not ready for such a masterpiece  And I am not joking, I still think ARTPOP came to early. And indeed Joanne was well recieved by the GP but not because it wasn’t hyped, because it was more GP friendly (Let’s be honest, I loved the album, but ). That’s what makes the difference between flop and not a flop, not the hype before it (and we definitely can not speak of extrem hype outside the fanbase )

[Miky 9,495]

I don't see how this is a bad thing. If they believe they've created something amazing, they shuld be proud of it. Stop trying to make someone be/act average, 'cause not everyone is.

[Bradley 59,243]

There is 100% nothing wrong with what DJWS, Gaga, Mark Nilan, Mark Ronson said.

There's a difference between being cocky and being confident in your work, and all the producers you mentioned belong to the latter category. If you think they belong to the former category then you need a reality check.

Can you imagine if they said 'Oh I don't know if the album will do well. We'll see. Maybe it will flop! Who knows?' in an interview?

Can you just see how weird and out-of-place such a statement would be?

I mean if you compare early years Gaga and the current Gaga we have, she's grown to be much more humble and down-to-earth, she used to call her album 'Album of the Millennium', which shows so much confidence but can also make her look bad if the album doesn't perform well.

Nowadays, she doesn't do that anymore. She's grown up and she knows how to let the music speaks for itself. She used to tell us all the time what her music, visuals and tours would look like but she didn't even give a preview of what the Joanne World Tour would look like until the very first date of the tour.

I feel like you should be addressing Nicki Minaj instead of Gaga, Nicki recently said Queen would be the best album of 2018 when the first three songs she released don't make it seem like the case.

[doppelganger 3,947]

Mark didn’t set Uptown Funk as the benchmark for A-Yo. That’s all Gaga 

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You argued your opinion very nicely but no, I don't agree. To have confidence in your potential or to be positive about a song's performance in advance isn't a problem. It becomes a problem when it's excessive. And it's even a matter of personality sometimes. I'm sure Gaga expects any kinds of a reactions to a song even though she isn't afraid to speak confidence in it (take Perfect Illusion, for example: she wasn't afraid to release it as a lead single and even implied that she believes in its potential in that interview when she said that all her leads didn't sound like anything on the radio, still wasn't afraid to move on to Million Reasons when PI fell off the charts).

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5 hours ago, nicolasrumet said:

Gaga herself is most of the time down to earth and humble about her work. And so are all of the true artists. Being humbe and open-minded is key to giving yourself a reality check and realizing when you're headed in the wrong direction.

But unfortunately, in the past few years Gaga has been surrounding herself with people that are overconfident and cocky. And ironically enough, her only song that received great praise and got nominated for a grammy since You & I is "Million Reasons", a song that she wrote with someone who's the just the opposite of that (Hillary Lindsay who's very down to earth and not talkative).

1. DJWS:

Sometimes it feels like he's in a different reality. He can produce decent music sure. But what bothers me is his over-confidence (like when he said "i'm pretty sure i got it" when asked whether redone was working on LG6 too) and sensitivity to criticism. We don't see this type of behavior from the most successful producers, the likes of Greg Kurstin, Max Martin, Steve Mac.

2. Mark Nilon or the infamous "#2018RadioIsOurs":

This is such a low point, overhyping people for nothing. First of all, any reasonable person would not say such a thing. Because no one can tell ahead of time how the radios will respond to a song. Radios snubbed many songs thought to be successful, including songs from Taylor Swift, Beyoncé, Adele etc... The most important thing about art, is remaining humble about your work and self-critiquing yourself. If you think your work is perfect, then you'll keep living in your own little bubble without trying to actually improve and exceed expectations.

3. Boys Noize "I wrote a hit with Gaga":

Same thing? A hit song is a song that performs well commercially. That's a fact, and that's the definition. A hit song doesn't mean a song you think is good. Producers should know better. How can you know for sure that the song will perform well commercially? Did you ever hear Adele, Taylor Swift or any of the people who dominated the charts say that they wrote a "hit" ahead of release? Even Adele said many times she wasn't sure "25" was going to do well. And that's exactly what you need in an artist: a sense of reality and understanding how the music industry works. If you think you're the best, then you won't be looking for improvements and you'll just stay in your little bubble when others outperform you.

4. Mark Ronson:

I like Mark Ronson, but there is one incident that struck me as a bit cocky in the making of A-Yo video and how he kept telling Gaga that it should be like Uptown Funk. Not to repeat myself but exactly what I said above applies to him

Bottom line is, one common trait you'll see among the most successful artists in history: being humble and down-to-earth. From Michael Jackson, to Whitney Houston, to Adele etc...

And I certainly agree with what Ed Sheeran said. I don't view it as something aimed at Gaga, because people generally forget that at the time he made that statement, Katy Perry, Madonna, Coldplay performed at the superbowl in the recent years, and none of them were at a good time in their careers when he made the statement:

“I have to know when to listen to people. Otherwise I’ll end up like artist that you’ve interviewed over the years who you’ve seen be the biggest artists in the world, and then suddenly they’re like ‘I know everything!’ And then they’re no longer the biggest. The smartest thing to do is listen to people who know what they’re talking about.”

He even praised her superbowl performance: "Lady Gaga's Super Bowl performance was incredible. I was really blown away by it".

Bottom line - this is BS and I'm not even gonna waste my time explaining this to you or any other person who shares your opinion. This is just so messed up when people feel this entitled.

 

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4 hours ago, giskardsb said:

Saying all true artists are humble is a false premise. It takes a certain confidence to even get to a successful point and many artists are very egotistical yet still produce.  Warhol was not exactly humble.  Having healthy self belief also helps put forth groundbreaking work when everyone else sticks with the status quo.

Redone is actually the worst tho at calling everything a hit.

This. Plenty of artists weren't exactly humble, especially the ones that contributed or started up movements (Dali, Picasso, Tristan Tzara, etc)... some were even downright arrogant assholes.