Rachel Maddow Breaks Down on TV

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1 hour ago, shoful said:

Good there are consequences to breaking the law. Parents should know the risks of illegally crossing over a border and endangering their children. This will definitely make illegals stop flooding into our great country. 

Trump will build a great, big, beautiful wall!

I'm pretty sure you're just doing this to get attention, but "Americans" came here illegally as well, stole land from Native Americans, and literally were killing them. The United States is not a great country. 

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6 hours ago, shoful said:

Good there are consequences to breaking the law. Parents should know the risks of illegally crossing over a border and endangering their children. This will definitely make illegals stop flooding into our great country. 

Trump will build a great, big, beautiful wall!

Parents risk endangering their children because of the extremeness of their positions. Some immigrants, refugees, etc. face certain death, extreme poverty, etc. if they return or stay in their countries of origin. Why aren't you interested in the "why" of why they are coming over here? Punishment that only looks at the end result can be irresponsible. If a person kills someone in self-defense, or after fearing for their life, there will still be a punishment, but the punishment acknowledges the circumstances that led to the event. Why not extend this common practice in sentencing to people that cross the border illegally? Like really, whats the reasoning? The reason we acknowledge circumstances in punishment has nothing to do with citizenship, its a matter of ethical sentencing and criminology.

And in general, do you think criminals suddenly become evil monsters undeserving of basic respect and dignity by breaking the law? If you think so, well, theres not much I can say to that  

Also, studies show that majorly punitive measures are not the most effective means of deterring crime, so even that argument is bunk   

10 hours ago, Rumours1977 said:

For me, it isn’t a false equivalency. Political bias (whether right or left) in news reporting (imo) is detrimental to the daily news cycle and is a continued catalyst for the rigid dichotomy that has been forming for decades between parties. Moreover, I’d actually disagree with the chart and say both would fall equally within the range of hyper-partisan (~70).

When I watch CNN, MSNBC, or Fox (as examples), I don’t view it as News. It’s people taking facts, filtering them through their world views, and regurgitating them. It isn’t News for me. That’s where I think our difference in opinion may stem from. 

I’m down to talk to you about this more over PM if you’d like. I feel kind of bad for derailing this thread with my rant(s). 

I'm also down to talk more in PMs about your first point if you still want to after this, but I want to say publicly that the difference in opinion you are perceiving is somewhat actually addressed in this graphic, on the Y axis. The top of the graph refers to sources that merely give news (original fact reporting, and fact reporting) where as further down, you are correct that those sources report on the news (Complex Analysis, Analysis, and Opinion; Fair Persuasion)  

Even if you believe that all "reporting on the news" types of media are detrimental and contribute to the political divide, it doesn't mean they must be equally detrimental (hence the false equivalency) and I think I've done a decent job of showing that they are not equally detrimental to anyone reading  

 

 

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I could sense that she was embarrassed as much as she was distraught. 

I may have my criticisms of Rachel Maddow, but this was genuine. 

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13 hours ago, shoful said:

Good there are consequences to breaking the law. Parents should know the risks of illegally crossing over a border and endangering their children. This will definitely make illegals stop flooding into our great country. 

Trump will build a great, big, beautiful wall!

You need to either drop the act or genuinely reflect on what you are saying. When your response to toddlers being detained is "good" then there is something so unfathomably wrong. I cannot believe that you genuinely lack such basic compassion and empathy.

How is this 'good'?

But even if you genuinely don't care about this clear and obvious humanitarian crisis, of the trauma these children are going through, this was implemented in April, since April the number of people seeking asylum has gone up by 5%. It isn't working as a deterrent, of course it's not going to work as a deterrent, as experts have already said... 

When you and your children are under threat of poverty and gang violence, when you are worried you and your children will die due to gang violence - You're willing to do what it takes to get you and your children to a safe place. If you think the children of families fleeing violence and persecution should be separated from their parents, locked in cages and allowed outside for 2 hours a day... I don't think that's okay, but whatever. If your main concern is that it's a deterrent, it's not working.
 

 

 

I'm just going to leave some quotes down to finish this - because I'm choosing to believe that you aren't actually so inhumane, you're just uninformed:

"The head of the Tahirih Justice Centre in Houston said she had seen cases where parents had not been told ahead of time that their child was being taken away, and instead were told by immigration officers that their child required a bath, only to not be returned.

"I was talking to one mother, and she said, "Don't take my child away," and the child started screaming and vomiting and crying hysterically, and she asked the officers, "Can I at least have five minutes to console her?" They said no,""

"A rights worker who visited the Ursula facility at the weekend told the Associated Press she had spoken to a 16-year-old girl who was left in charge of an unaccompanied toddler for three days and tasked with changing the child's nappies.

"She had to teach other kids in the cell to change her diaper," Michelle Brane, from the Women's Refugee Commission, said. The girl - who was four years old - was later reunited with her aunt, but the process took time because she did not speak Spanish but a language indigenous to Guatemala, the agency reports.

"She was so traumatised that she wasn't talking," Ms Brane said, describing the [four year old] girl. "She was just curled up in a little ball.""

"The American Academy of Pediatrics warned last week that "highly stressful experiences, including family separation, can cause irreparable harm to lifelong development by disrupting a child's brain architecture"."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44518942

"Alexander, a 9-year-old Salvadoran boy who has been in Christine's care since May, cried the night she went to pick him up from Bethany Christian Services, a nonprofit that offers services from adoption to refugee resettlement and is coordinating foster care for nearly 100 migrant children.... For more than three weeks, Alexander hardly ate and had trouble sleeping through the night. He also had a fever and some respiratory issues after contracting chicken pox while he was detained by immigration authorities"

"Saul, a 10-year-old Guatemalan boy who was separated from his father, howled and hid behind a poster at Bethany Christian Services when Christine came to take him to her home.

“They are coming crying, almost hysterical,” she said. ”He was just howling and he wouldn’t move.”

Saul had night terrors for weeks.

“He couldn’t articulate what he was seeing but just it was bad and mean," she said. "These went on for about three weeks, the screaming in the middle of the night.""

"Daniela, a Honduran girl who was separated from her father, went completely numb when she was told that her father had been deported while she was at Bethany's office with a support team of counselors and her foster mother.

“Her little body got stiff," Christine said. "She’s 5 years old and she wouldn’t eat. They had trouble taking her clothing off when it was time to take a bath. She couldn’t go in to bed, she just stood there."

Daniela, who has been coming to Christine's house a few hours each day for support, cried every day for two weeks in the morning and after school."

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/foster-mom-trauma-separated-migrant-children-they-are-coming-crying-n884791

Good!! That will teach those f*cking asylum seekers to stop fleeing the danger, poverty and violence of their own countries in the hope of living in a country like the U.S!! What a great country the U.S is showing itself to be!! 

I mean, how can you honestly see those pictures, hear those cries and read those stories and genuinely believe that? It's sickening.

Thank God Trump caved to pressure and signed an order to stop this cruel separation.