Canada: Protection of LGBT rights > Religious Freedom

[OBEY 57,109]

2 minutes ago, Fish said:

I read the decision this morning. It is very split between majority, concurring Beverley and the 2 others dissenting. It is very interesting, from a Charter of Rights and Freedoms perspective but also from a pure admin law perspective.

I will read it soon too  love the supreme court judgments 

[geopang 4,831]

Religion is toxic. No advanced and progressive country should put outdated and nonsensical beliefs above people’s rights and protections, especially if they’re a historically targeted minority.

[MyQueen 2,409]

Religious freedom means that you can believe whatever you want.

And there it should end!  

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1 hour ago, M Monstre said:

I think what people need to do is evolve their religion. It's much easier said than done because you'll always have orthodox or really strict people saying "WE SHOULD HAVE TRADITION! NOTHING SHOULD CHANGE!", but the reality is that some things do need to change.

I grew up Catholic, and even though I got my First Communion, Baptism, etc., I realistically am more of an Agnostic person. I don't think that the religion itself is the bad thing, but people refusing to evolve with the times. I mean, there are also some verses in the Bible that condone slavery. It also wasn't too long ago that interracial marriage was seen as something "sinful." 

I mean, if ppl evolve with the times tho, what's the point that of even having religious beliefs at all period? Might as well not have a religion then if ur just gonna change the beliefs

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10 minutes ago, MyQueen said:

Religious freedom means that you can believe whatever you want.

And there it should end!  

Sure! Let's endorse and give approval to some groups of people that believe homosexuals should be killed, etc !  

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Just now, OBEY said:

Sure! Let's endorse and give approval to some groups of people that believe homosexuals should be killed, etc !  

I think very few if any religions teach to kill gays

 

I think it's extremist individuals that make that interpretation for themselves (for example Muslims don't tell u to kill them but ISIS decided to teach that anyway)

[Edonis 28,974]

5 minutes ago, Economy said:

I mean, if ppl evolve with the times tho, what's the point that of even having religious beliefs at all period? Might as well not have a religion then if ur just gonna change the beliefs

But most of modern Christian doctrine has changed drastically over the years...When I took my theology course in undergrad (as I went to a Christian undergrad) we learned about religious interpretation and beliefs throughout history and the way Christianity is interpreted now is very different than what most mainstream Christians practiced even 100 years ago. And yet both are still viewed as contemporary interpretations of their own faith. I think for religion to be able to peacefully coexist in modern times, certain aspects have to be modified at least in practice. (I can say the same thing about Islam as a gay Muslim, but that’s a whole other discussion lol) 

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1 minute ago, Economy said:

I think very few if any religions teach to kill gays

 

I think it's extremist individuals that make that interpretation for themselves (for example Muslims don't tell u to kill them but ISIS decided to teach that anyway)

well they don’t teach to kill gays but some of them do teach that u should believe that gays aren't normal /shouldn't be on earth / should be dead

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5 minutes ago, Economy said:

I mean, if ppl evolve with the times tho, what's the point that of even having religious beliefs at all period? Might as well not have a religion then if ur just gonna change the beliefs

People have been changing and evolving their beliefs, though. Like I said, people once believed (not too long ago)—and some still believe, though not too many—that interracial marriage was sinful.

You can evolve your beliefs into something more loving and compassionate without having to completely disregard them. I'm not saying to change your fundamental beliefs in something, what I'm saying is that people should learn to be more accepting and compassionate since that's what religion should call for in the first place.

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1 minute ago, OBEY said:

well they don’t teach to kill gays but some of them do teach that u should believe that gays aren't normal /shouldn't be on earth / should be dead

My boss and some coworkers and some family members are Jehovah's witnesses (that's how they knew my boss and how I got my job) and they know I'm bisexual and stuff

 

I never really been treated weird nor have I ever seen them disrespect a gay. I know they don't agree with the act tho

 

3 minutes ago, Edonis said:

But most of modern Christian doctrine has changed drastically over the years...When I took my theology course in undergrad (as I went to a Christian undergrad) we learned about religious interpretation and beliefs throughout history and the way Christianity is interpreted now is very different than what most mainstream Christians practiced even 100 years ago. And yet both are still viewed as contemporary interpretations of their own faith. I think for religion to be able to peacefully coexist in modern times, certain aspects have to be modified at least in practice. (I can say the same thing about Islam as a gay Muslim, but that’s a whole other discussion lol) 

At least extremes for sure if they harm others

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3 minutes ago, Economy said:

My boss and some coworkers and some family members are Jehovah's witnesses (that's how they knew my boss and how I got my job) and they know I'm bisexual and stuff

 

I never really been treated weird nor have I ever seen them disrespect a gay. I know they don't agree with the act tho

 

At least extremes for sure if they harm others

My aunt is a Jeovah's Witness and doesn't speak to me and one of my cousin anymore  

I wouldn't be surprised if she teached her 12 y-o child that gays should die. 

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22 minutes ago, OBEY said:

Sure! Let's endorse and give approval to some groups of people that believe homosexuals should be killed, etc !  

Okay this is not true. I come from a apostolic christian family and they would never want to do harm to anyone. In fact some people in my family have lots of friends who are gay, but they just don't agree with the lifestyle that's all. everyone tries to make it seem that Christians are just evil people but it's simply not true. I'm gay and my family has never said anything hurtful or ignorant to me.

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13 minutes ago, OBEY said:

My aunt is a Jeovah's Witness and doesn't speak to me and one of my cousin anymore  

I wouldn't be surprised if she teached her 12 y-o child that gays should die. 

Maybe depends on how hardcore the individual is. I've never had that experience with them

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24 minutes ago, M Monstre said:

People have been changing and evolving their beliefs, though. Like I said, people once believed (not too long ago)—and some still believe, though not too many—that interracial marriage was sinful.

You can evolve your beliefs into something more loving and compassionate without having to completely disregard them. I'm not saying to change your fundamental beliefs in something, what I'm saying is that people should learn to be more accepting and compassionate since that's what religion should call for in the first place.

Yeah I don't get where that even came from, the Bible never says to my knowledge that interracial is bad

 

My Racist grandma doesn't wanna come to my wedding cuz my fiance is black. That old Portuguese generation I swear. 

In her case it's not religion tho cuz her religion actually teaches that all backgrounds should be accepted but someone's clearly not listening. 

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1 minute ago, Economy said:

Yeah I don't get where that even came from, the Bible never says to my knowledge that interracial is bad

 

My Racist grandma doesn't wanna come to my wedding cuz my fiance is black. That old Portuguese generation I swear. 

In her case it's not religion tho cuz her religion actually teaches that all backgrounds should be accepted but someone's clearly not listening.

First of all, I'm sorry to hear that your grandmother doesn't want to come to your wedding. A family should always be supportive of each other no matter what

I agree though that even though the scriptures or the sacred texts of a religion don't explicitly say something, people take it to another extreme. Notice that I said "people." I frankly don't like it when people call out religion for being "the worst thing on the planet," when in fact it's extremists. I know plenty of religious people too, and they're wonderful, and they know I'm gay and they don't have a problem with me whatsoever.