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28 minutes ago, Eighteen said:

i mean i'm finding it a little annoying how everyone's saying roseanne has said racist things many many times without any links or anything? i mean one person says we have zero tolerance about calling black people apes in the US and then another says she's called people apes many times, i mean . . . 

i'm also annoyed that people are jumbling conspiracy theories with racism. they're two different things. can people read what i wrote carefully i really don't want to repeat myself over and over.  or let's just end the thread lol. but i still love you all but really now -_-

There’s no conspiracy theory when it comes to racism imo. As a black person I would be extremely offended if someone called me an ape or if I saw someone being called an ape or being treated differently for whatever the reason may be. It goes beyond race. It’s just shocking to see how people will make excuses for someone when the proof is in black and white. She’s even “apologized” and said she’ll be leaving Twitter because she knows exactly what she was trying to say to that woman. 

Theres a link. Maybe do your own research before creating a thread to try to defend someone who doesn’t need defending; especially on GGD.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2018/5/29/17406014/roseanne-racism-abc-trump-twitter?source=images

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2 hours ago, darkpaw said:

There’s no conspiracy theory when it comes to racism imo. As a black person I would be extremely offended if someone called me an ape or if I saw someone being called an ape or being treated differently for whatever the reason may be. It goes beyond race. It’s just shocking to see how people will make excuses for someone when the proof is in black and white. She’s even “apologized” and said she’ll be leaving Twitter because she knows exactly what she was trying to say to that woman. 

Theres a link. Maybe do your own research before creating a thread to try to defend someone who doesn’t need defending; especially on GGD.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2018/5/29/17406014/roseanne-racism-abc-trump-twitter?source=images

ok i'm not trying to be rude but did you read the article carefully? because according to it, she said two racist things (one including what was said today). ever. and furthermore but also importantly, both times they were in jest (although it wasn't funny). and then the rest of the article is about her being indoctrinated to conspiracy theories, changing her political views, etc. and these things are what is making up the bulk of the article. criticizing the israeli government isn't racism. supporting a musician who happens to deny the holocaust isn't racist. if the article said she supported this musician because he was a holocaust denier, then it would be racist. i mean... obviously. we like lady gaga and she happened to support R kelly and terry R. for the longest time, that doesn't mean we're sexist or that lady gaga is sexist. it's more complicated than that. 

that being said, i am not agreeing with or defending anything she's saying or anything she did. the jokes were racist just like i already said here several times. again, i am a far left liberal. but having been trained in critical thinking (which the US is lacking imo bc people tend to quickly fall into group think without doing any rationalizing on their own), based on two incidences i can't say that roseanne is a downright racist. again, if more evidence comes to light, or, in other words, in the event we see a pattern of distinctly racist behavior that counter balances completely her support for black people on her own show even back in the 90s, which she helped to write, i'm not going to call roseanne a racist. she's all over the place, kind of moronic, crass, irreverent, and susceptible to nonsense, but for me it doesn't go beyond that based on what i've seen, based on what i've read.

i don't say things willy nilly without any thought given to them. i think carefully and deeply about what i write. we can disagree and i welcome disagreement and conversation, but i mean at least don't make me have to pick apart a shaky article that you linked simply because it has "roseanne is a racist" in the headline. i mean, c'mon man, let's have productive dialogue, polite dialogue, let's put our ideas on the table and weigh them out fairly.

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4 hours ago, ItsTommyBitch said:

Also, rationally, being good with black people, helping black people, having black friends, etc. all of these do not make someone incapable of being racist. The only thing that makes you not racist is active work to unpack racist ideas, beliefs, and actions, and spreading this with other people.

i agree with you. 

 

4 hours ago, ItsTommyBitch said:

Bigger picture though, when does something stop being a joke and when does it become indicative of their real held beliefs, conscious or subconscious? We are all products of our environment, and often times these racist "jokes" rely on the audience somewhat believing a stereotype about people of that race. How is that not racist? Is it just because it isn't meant to be serious?

this is a good point. honestly i can't say when something stops being a joke and bleeds into one's actual belief system. your example about joking about stereotypes being a reflection of internal racism is a good point too. but when i think about it, stereotypical jokes to me can just be a cheap laugh and that's it and doesn't always reflect deeper emotions. like for instance, i saw this video on youtube that was like: "bad asian drivers" or something and it showed cars driving absurdly and i did laugh here and there but it was cheap in the sense that i personally don't think asian people drive badly at all because i live in hawaii and almost everybody is asian and people drive pretty well here. i also don't tend to think in blanket terms; i stopped doing that when i learned to better make sense of the world in college and knew that it simply didn't get to the heart of things. it wasn't a racist thing for me as the consumer of the driving video, but i can also see how the video itself can be viewed as racist and i myself would say that it was a racist video. but at the same time, i don't think someone laughing at it necessarily means that that person has racism in their heart because they laughed at something silly.

 

4 hours ago, ItsTommyBitch said:

Honestly, I think we're better off acknowledging that most people are somewhat racist, and that being "not racist" is an abnormality, because the society we are raised in is very racist. We should accept the word, and refocus our efforts towards unpacking what it means to be racist, or to benefit from a racist system, instead of fearing the word. Everyone's a little bit racist, but not everyone continues to be racist once they acknowledge it and the average person would probably want to work to not be racist if they believed themselves to be so.

this is an interesting thought. i think that everybody has a racist thought from time to time, it's just natural considering what we're surrounded by, how the mind tends to gravitate toward generalizing, and how it takes active reflection at times, for one to stop and think: why did i have that thought, for one to deconstruct it, and rearrange one's way of thinking. and i personally believe that can help train one to stop thinking in general terms and to take people for the individual. all in all, i think what society needs is deep reflection on everything, every day, like physical exercise, like brushing one's teeth, to just sit and think about why you're thinking this way, or why you're thinking that way, is it good? is it bad? to rearrange the bad parts and realign how you observe and take in info when you realize that maybe a thought you had about someone was bad in the sense that it wasn't adherent to any sort of truth. truth is what i'm always after and that is all.

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5 hours ago, Whispering said:

Plenty of people are in the middle. 42 per cent of Americans identify as Independents. Of those 42 per cent, 16 per cent lean Democrat and 14 per cent lean Republican, but they don't feel strongly enough to registry for those parties. 

Referring to a black person as a "monkey" or an "ape" in the US has been a deal-breaker for decades now. There wasn't middle ground, because this isn't seen as a grey area in the US. 

i 100 percent agree that calling someone that would be a racist thing to say and that it is unacceptable and terrible behavior, if it were just that and nothing else orbiting it. but in my view there is a gray area in the sense that there is evidence for me regarding roseanne that muddies it up. if roseanne didn't do roseanne, didn't go in interviews talking about how she just wants people to talk to one another, to have conversation, if she didn't stand up for treyvon martin in the albeit stupid way she did, or advocate for tolerance in the 90s, if all those things didn't exist and she said those racist jokes, then i'd say well she's probably a racist. that's me personally. someone wearing a KKK hoodie, that's an automatic racist. somebody going around saying they hate all jewish people or they hate all asian people, or black people, that's a racist. someone, to me, making an obscene and racist joke trying to be funny, when they've done things to the contrary that might suggest that what is being said might be really just an ignorant joke gives this particular situation a gray area for me, and so i say that i can't call roseanne a racist. 

edit:

in regards to the people being in the middle statistics, it sure doesn't feel that way. it feels more like this:

 

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4 hours ago, Eighteen said:

ok i'm not trying to be rude but did you read the article carefully? because according to it, she said two racist things (one including what was said today). ever. and furthermore but also importantly, both times they were in jest (although it wasn't funny). and then the rest of the article is about her being indoctrinated to conspiracy theories, changing her political views, etc. and these things are what is making up the bulk of the article. criticizing the israeli government isn't racism. supporting a musician who happens to deny the holocaust isn't racist. if the article said she supported this musician because he was a holocaust denier, then it would be racist. i mean... obviously. we like lady gaga and she happened to support R kelly and terry R. for the longest time, that doesn't mean we're sexist or that lady gaga is sexist. it's more complicated than that. 

that being said, i am not agreeing with or defending anything she's saying or anything she did. the jokes were racist just like i already said here several times. again, i am a far left liberal. but having been trained in critical thinking (which the US is lacking imo bc people tend to quickly fall into group think without doing any rationalizing on their own), based on two incidences i can't say that roseanne is a downright racist. again, if more evidence comes to light, or, in other words, in the event we see a pattern of distinctly racist behavior that counter balances completely her support for black people on her own show even back in the 90s, which she helped to write, i'm not going to call roseanne a racist. she's all over the place, kind of moronic, crass, irreverent, and susceptible to nonsense, but for me it doesn't go beyond that based on what i've seen, based on what i've read.

i don't say things willy nilly without any thought given to them. i think carefully and deeply about what i write. we can disagree and i welcome disagreement and conversation, but i mean at least don't make me have to pick apart a shaky article that you linked simply because it has "roseanne is a racist" in the headline. i mean, c'mon man, let's have productive dialogue, polite dialogue, let's put our ideas on the table and weigh them out fairly.

There’s not only two incidents, but for that you’ll have to do your own research. I never said she was a racist; if fact I made it a point to say that I wasn’t making that assumption. It’s just interesting to me that you added that line which I highlighted in your comment. Because it’s that sort of thinking that makes people -grown women and men- feel that it’s ok to make comments like the ones she’s made repeatedly. Instead of holding someone accountable we find excuses for them or look at what others have said or done and try to take pardon on whoever’s under fire (refer to her twitter page for examples). 

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16 hours ago, swordstalker said:

For the uninitiated, here's what Bill said:

Maher: Adults dress up for Halloween. They don't do that in Nebraska?

Sasse: It's frowned upon. We don't do that quite as much.

Maher: I gotta get to Nebraska more.

Sasse You're welcome. We'd love to have you work in the fields with us.

Maher: Work in the fields? Senator, I'm a house n*****.

For context, Ben Sasse is the Republican senator from Nebraska. 

He probably shouldn't have used that word because now everything he says will get overshadowed by that joke. I won't condemn or condone what he said, but Twitter should should spend it's energy going after actual racists, not Bill Maher. They should start with Joe Arpaio, who makes my blood boil. 

I remember the night he said it. I've never agreed with certain words being off limits, especially for a comedian who isn't even using it to attack someone. Not to mention, he makes fun of EVERYONE. We all love a joke against a republican/conservative, but we should also be ok with the ones that come against us also. We can't be hypocrites.

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I didn't follow this so I can't have a set opinion so I'll just generalize.

 

People shouldn't make racist jokes and getting married to a black woman in 6 weeks I know how it can affect many ppl

 

However we all say things we shouldn't from time to time without thinking how it might affect ppl.

 

People in the public image are held to a higher standard because anything they say is visible to a large number of people and they need to be careful but it doesn't mean they will never make a mistake

 

Whether or not someone should be fired over an in appropriate comment or joke I think depends on the situation.

 

If it was the first time I happened and they apologize and it's clear they didn't think it thru I think a punishment less severe than getting fired is warranted

 

If it's an ongoing issue or even if it was the first time but it was very severe or the person isn't even sorry than perhaps even for a first time it may warrant job termination

 

Depends on the situation. But I do think we need to be balanced and remember that celebrities are humans too and will say things they shouldn't at times.

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7 hours ago, Eighteen said:

i 100 percent agree that calling someone that would be a racist thing to say and that it is unacceptable and terrible behavior, if it were just that and nothing else orbiting it. but in my view there is a gray area in the sense that there is evidence for me regarding roseanne that muddies it up. if roseanne didn't do roseanne, didn't go in interviews talking about how she just wants people to talk to one another, to have conversation, if she didn't stand up for treyvon martin in the albeit stupid way she did, or advocate for tolerance in the 90s, if all those things didn't exist and she said those racist jokes, then i'd say well she's probably a racist. that's me personally. someone wearing a KKK hoodie, that's an automatic racist. somebody going around saying they hate all jewish people or they hate all asian people, or black people, that's a racist. someone, to me, making an obscene and racist joke trying to be funny, when they've done things to the contrary that might suggest that what is being said might be really just an ignorant joke gives this particular situation a gray area for me, and so i say that i can't call roseanne a racist. 

edit:

in regards to the people being in the middle statistics, it sure doesn't feel that way. it feels more like this:

 

Well, if your definition of a racist is a person wearing a white hood, I can see why you would disagree with most people.

 

It is true that has Trump has brought the racist out of the shadows. They now feel impowered to spew their racism in public. That has made people step up out speak out. The majority of people in this country don't want to go backwards and are speaking out against those who are pulling in that direction. 

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2 hours ago, Whispering said:

Well, if your definition of a racist is a person wearing a white hood, I can see why you would disagree with most people.

ugh it's among a wide array of definitions, just never mind 

 

2 hours ago, Whispering said:

It is true that has Trump has brought the racist out of the shadows. They now feel impowered to spew their racism in public. That has made people step up out speak out. The majority of people in this country don't want to go backwards and are speaking out against those who are pulling in that direction. 

yes, everybody knows that, a wider majority of people should have voted for hillary in the general, they didn't, so now they're getting what they deserve.

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6 hours ago, Economy said:

Depends on the situation. But I do think we need to be balanced and remember that celebrities are humans too and will say things they shouldn't at times.

yes i agree. people say dumb things sometimes, i'm not going to go around branding people with a capital R for racist right out the gate. i prefer a more measured approach, that's just me, people don't like it, i'm okay with that.  

 

honestly conservatives have a bunker mentality, which is why they win. they can rally around their people, even complete UNDENIABLE racists when they themselves aren't racist, an insane notion. they stick together even when the philosophical differences among them vary to such a large degree that is but a small fraction among liberals, which is why the far left is so ANNOYING with their idealism. this is the real world, nothing is ideal, that's just an unfortunate fact of life. they're not used to dissent among them. being a part of this annoying enclave of far leftists, i separate myself from them in the sense that i will take politics operating at the middle because most people aren't where i'm at, i know that, and i'll take some of what i'm for over nothing that i'm for any day. people throw everything away, don't listen, don't read, don't give any leeway or even attempt to understand, and then when conservatives win because the left is fractured into a million pieces, they're looking around thinking, how is this happening? oh, i have the answer: it's because of you -_-

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Roseanne made a racist comment on the public forum Twitter. 

Bill Mayer made a racist comment on unfiltered, premium cable channel HBO. 

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