AVeryGagaHolyDick 25,438 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, RAMROD said: Some of these people have the holier than thou attitude just cos Gaga and their other faves wrote or co-wrote their own words and attacked those who don’t as if they are so lacklustre, when they’re not, if only they realize how rare it is, especially in pop scenes, to have someone who actually write their own songs and how this industry majorly consisted of aspiring song writers and producers. The fact that most of the singers don't write their songs doesn't mean that they shouldn't. It's the minimum if you want to be an artist... actually it's the only way to be an artist if you're a singer. You have to write. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRoof 21,600 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, River said: Lady Gaga.. Xtina is not experimental, Xtina is basing her career on the shock value, it doesn't matter the song or the album.. Beyonce is not an artist, she's a performer. 1 Xtina first three eras where flawless re inventions of sound and image , i agree that shook value was a big part of the Stripped era tho but at the end of the day if the music wasn't good enought she would have been flopped miserably but she didn't , also changing gracefully from that dark sexual sound to a classic jazz y rhythm and blues has it's merits as well imo 2 i think been a performer/entertainer is been artist as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sipthistea 21,099 Posted May 5, 2018 Author Share Posted May 5, 2018 39 minutes ago, MyQueen said: Me I know that Madonna has also a reputation as a re-inventing artist. But she has a longer career, so she would be ahead of the other 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolidSnake 2,804 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, sipthistea said: I know that Madonna has also a reputation as a re-inventing artist. But she has a longer career, so she would be ahead of the other 3. But she also hasnt done anything note worthy in 20 years for the most part. (Besides Confessions on a Dance Floor) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolidSnake 2,804 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, sipthistea said: I know that Madonna has also a reputation as a re-inventing artist. But she has a longer career, so she would be ahead of the other 3. though I could be wrong, if I am I apologize. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWhaaaat 534 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 59 minutes ago, River said: Lady Gaga.. Xtina is not experimental, Xtina is basing her career on the shock value, it doesn't matter the song or the album.. Beyonce is not an artist, she's a performer. Not bashing Gaga or anything, but isn't Gaga's career based on the shock value. All the crazy and outrageous outfits. My opinion though. Do correct me if you think I'm wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 116,786 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 1 hour ago, MarlonBrando7 said: 1 Xtina first three eras where flawless re inventions of sound and image , i agree that shook value was a big part of the Stripped era tho but at the end of the day if the music wasn't good enought she would have been flopped miserably but she didn't , also changing gracefully from that dark sexual sound to a classic jazz y rhythm and blues has it's merits as well imo 2 i think been a performer/entertainer is been artist as well 1. I agree with you, but then since Bionic and until now, it's just another dated music.. About Stripped, it came out right after Lady Marmalade, the girls were everywhere and everyone where hungry for them.. so it helped to boost Stripped a lot! also, Britney was forgotten after the last album, it was not supported by the radio and tv, so in some sense, she was the only main pop girl at that time.. so if I need to choose, B2B is her experimental album and was fresh and unique.. 2. I think not, artist is crafting their music, working on it non stop.. not coming to the studio and like "ok show what you guys have for me today to sing".. there's nothing wrong with performers but they are not artists, they have a very minimal role in crafting the music.. everyone can sing today, it doesn't matter the voice, but not everyone can create a song alone or with a producer in the studio... (but it's not making them bad or something or less interesting and important to pop culture) 50 minutes ago, SWhaaaat said: Not bashing Gaga or anything, but isn't Gaga's career based on the shock value. All the crazy and outrageous outfits. My opinion though. Do correct me if you think I'm wrong It wasn't meant to be a bad point actually, I'm a fan of Xtina and this is how I see one side and I think a major one of her career. Gaga is obviously based her career on a shock value, we can't deny that.. they still call her the meat dress girl for a reason So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewUsername 11,405 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, River said: 1. I agree with you, but then since Bionic and until now, it's just another dated music.. About Stripped, it came out right after Lady Marmalade, the girls were everywhere and everyone where hungry for them.. so it helped to boost Stripped a lot! also, Britney was forgotten after the last album, it was not supported by the radio and tv, so in some sense, she was the only main pop girl at that time.. so if I need to choose, B2B is her experimental album and was fresh and unique.. 2. I think not, artist is crafting their music, working on it non stop.. not coming to the studio and like "ok show what you guys have for me today to sing".. there's nothing wrong with performers but they are not artists, they have a very minimal role in crafting the music.. everyone can sing today, it doesn't matter the voice, but not everyone can create a song alone or with a producer in the studio... (but it's not making them bad or something or less interesting and important to pop culture) It wasn't meant to be a bad point actually, I'm a fan of Xtina and this is how I see one side and I think a major one of her career. Gaga is obviously based her career on a shock value, we can't deny that.. they still call her the meat dress girl for a reason I think you're confusing artist with musician. Is Beyoncé a musician? Not so much probably Is Beyoncé an artist? Completely. Performing is an art, artist is the person that executes an art. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 116,786 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, Driezewies said: I think you're confusing artist with musician. Is Beyoncé a musician? Not so much probably Is Beyoncé an artist? Completely. Performing is an art, artist is the person that executes an art. But she's not doing performance art, I mean performance art for me it's Swine with the vomit, P!nk in the air and thinks like.. more theater and Marina Abramovic-like.. She's doing more entertaining performance.. the art is very minimal to not existed and even if there's an art, she didn't contribute to it.. it's of others.. Elvis was not an artist but he was a big show, a character, theater, so he did a performance art. Freddy was the combination of performance art and entertaining and an artist.. So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinny Legend 770 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 It's Xtina. She's far more diverse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo 641 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Beyonce is the same and is boring, Christina is boring as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,750 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Of course Gaga daily will vote for Gaga but honestly Beyonce is pretty up there too. Songs like drunken love vs baby boy is quite a change but of course she's also been around twice as long This is hard to compare but I'd say Beyonce or Gaga. Christina is fairly in the poll too tho cuz she has experimented as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewUsername 11,405 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 17 hours ago, River said: But she's not doing performance art, I mean performance art for me it's Swine with the vomit, P!nk in the air and thinks like.. more theater and Marina Abramovic-like.. She's doing more entertaining performance.. the art is very minimal to not existed and even if there's an art, she didn't contribute to it.. it's of others.. Elvis was not an artist but he was a big show, a character, theater, so he did a performance art. Freddy was the combination of performance art and entertaining and an artist.. And now I feel like you're confusing performing and performance art Performing IS an art, not anybody can do it. Even if she didn't contribute to, she executes it and she is a performing force. Being able to fill a stage like that etc is an art as well and depends on her as a person. Hope I'm explaining myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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