Grimes to Collab With Poppy

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just scrolling through some comments on her IG and there already some monsters spamming about Gaga and LG6 and new music videos.

this fanbase needs to chill a little bit 

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59 minutes ago, Inferno said:

Really annoyed that Grimes is giving her validation and relevance through a collaboration. I think Poppy is so dumb and her ideas are so 10 years ago. Shes for like 15 year old gay dudes that still think ironic commentary on pop culture is a revelation because it gives them another excuse to take cheap expensive looking b/s seriously.

not only is your comment is false but it also contradicts itself

 

good for her, I hope she focuses on the lyrics this time.

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5 minutes ago, Illuminati said:

not only is your comment false but it also contradicts itself

Its not false. Her entire methodology behind her character as Poppy is so beyond overdone at this point. Her approach to commentating on popular culture through its poppy is so boring. it was once an interesting concept, back in the day, post tabloid culture start of digital culture and the social media age but at this point its just an easy sell. its an easy way to do something thats totally vapid and void of any sort of substance or intrigue but fool laymans into believing its either profound or at the very least more interesting than it actually is so you can be as boring and generic as you want and still be seen as creative or alternative. because when you listen to her actual music, its just your run of the mill off the shelf product pop and its not even somewhat different at that. theres nothing in her actual music that has any twist that makes it uniquely her own or that brings anything to the table of pop music. shes all look. shes an instagram/youtube model type with a record contract and she slaps some b/s schtick about irony and commentary as a way to sell herself as more so shes not just written off and that approach alone has been done 1000 times so i cant even give her a nod for being savvy.

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1 minute ago, Inferno said:

Its not false. Her entire methodology behind her character as Poppy is so beyond overdone at this point. Her approach to commentating on popular culture through its poppy is so boring. it was once an interesting concept, back in the day, post tabloid culture start of digital culture and the social media age but at this point its just an easy sell. its an easy way to do something thats totally vapid and void of any sort of substance or intrigue but fool laymans into believing its either profound or at the very least more interesting than it actually is.

What would you prefer her do instead? A watered down country rock album about a family member she never met? she's' low budget but they try to make it interesting. I can give her credit for that. 10 years too late doesn't make sense when you also point out that she's most suitable to the youngest generation of listeners, that's what everyone wants to appeal to. 

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1 minute ago, Illuminati said:

What would you prefer her do instead? A watered down country rock album about a family member she never met? she's' low budget but they try to make it interesting. I can give her credit for that. 10 years too late doesn't make sense when you also point out that she's most suitable to the youngest generation of listeners, that's what everyone wants to appeal to. 

Wow the Joanne slander that I just Witness.mp3ed   

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Just now, Illuminati said:

What would you prefer her do instead? A watered down country rock album about a family member she never met? she's' low budget but they try to make it interesting. I can give her credit for that. 10 years too late doesn't make sense when you also point out that she's most suitable to the youngest generation of listeners, that's what everyone wants to appeal to. 

now that was unneeded, wasn't it  

i'd take a Joanne 2.0 over poppy's music lol, gaga did the whole mysterious internet pop star back in 2008/9 and there's nothing deep or interesting about poppy anymore

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7 minutes ago, Illuminati said:

What would you prefer her do instead? A watered down country rock album about a family member she never met? she's' low budget but they try to make it interesting. I can give her credit for that. 10 years too late doesn't make sense when you also point out that she's most suitable to the youngest generation of listeners, that's what everyone wants to appeal to. 

Cackling that you have to bring Joanne into this as a tactic to discredit my viewpoint when you have zero knowledge of my viewpoint on Joanne in the first place. Its irrelevant to this conversation anyway. What would I prefer her to do? Something interesting. I don't care what someone chooses to sound like or which demographic they direct themselves towards so long as they bring some level of individualism to the table. You can be generic, but make it your own. which is something that gaga has done even when she makes something i dont care for. Poppy sounds like a faceless demo girl and her pulling this post modern schtick out of her ass as a cheap tactic to make herself seem interesting shouldn't fool anyone at this point. its a point of view thats been done to death and with much more tact and intrigue which was my point to begin with. its an aesthetic that was interesting 10 years ago which is also exactly my point as to why only people un-knowledgeable about music like a 15 year old as an example, can cling onto her and think shes being profound when shes not. because they dont know any better. and you probably can combat this statement by bringing up gaga and her legions of detractors that make the same argument but thats another conversation entirely which im totally down to get into with you in p/ms.

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27 minutes ago, ryanripley said:

now that was unneeded, wasn't it  

i'd take a Joanne 2.0 over poppy's music lol, gaga did the whole mysterious internet pop star back in 2008/9 and there's nothing deep or interesting about poppy anymore

I agree, it wasn't needed, wouldn't you prefer variety though? The comment I was responding to implied that it's a decade too old, there were people doing it before Gaga, she just brought it back for a moment, which is what Sia is doing now and maybe this girl is doing it as an indie-ish artist too. I'm sure it's not for everyone, but why not have the option to choose? 

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Must be a remix for one of Poppy's songs. 

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6 minutes ago, Illuminati said:

It wasn't, wouldn't you prefer variety though? The comment I was responding to implied that it's a decade too old, there were people doing it before Gaga, she just brought it back for a moment, which is what Sia is doing now and maybe this girl is doing it as an indie-ish artist too. I'm sure it's not for everyone, but why not have the option to choose? 

I really want to get into it more with you on why I think what you're saying is entirely incorrect and im cringing at the fact that you at all want to consider Poppy "indie", like jesus christ. But I just don't think I have the energy. Im not saying Gaga did anything first either im so tired of that argument "gaga didn't do this first" like thats not really the point.

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9 minutes ago, Inferno said:

Cackling that you have to bring Joanne into this as a tactic to discredit my viewpoint when you have zero knowledge of my viewpoint on Joanne in the first place. Its irrelevant to this conversation anyway. What would I prefer her to do? Something interesting. I don't care what someone chooses to sound like or which demographic they direct themselves towards so long as they bring some level of individualism to the table. You can be generic, but make it your own. which is something that gaga has done even when she makes something i dont care for. Poppy sounds like a faceless demo girl and her pulling this post modern schtick out of her ass as a cheap tactic to make herself seem interesting shouldn't fool anyone at this point. its a point of view thats been done to death and with much more tact and intrigue which was my point to begin with. its an aesthetic that was interesting 10 years ago which is also exactly my point as to why only people un-knowledgeable about music like a 15 year old as an example, can cling onto her and think shes being profound when shes not. because they dont know any better. and you probably can combat this statement by bringing up gaga and her legions of detractors that make the same argument but thats another conversation entirely which im totally down to get into with you in p/ms.

It's relevant because that's the kind of music you seem to consider as up to date rather than 10 years too old and interesting. Or so I assume since you're here on this website as I am. 10 years ago Gaga did not bring mystery as something new, it was a throwback too, so a comparison is very valid. Surely this girl will never have the Interscope budget but you can't completely discredit her for trying.

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21 minutes ago, Illuminati said:

It's relevant because that's the kind of music you seem to consider as up to date rather than 10 years too old and interesting. Or so I assume since you're here on this website as I am. 10 years ago Gaga did not bring mystery as something new, it was a throwback too, so a comparison is very valid. Surely this girl will never have the Interscope budget but you can't completely discredit her for trying.

Here's what is 10 years too old. This meta concept of commentary on popular culture taking the form of what its commentating on. Gaga capitalized on this concept with The Fame with international success. Yes. A lot of other artists did the same thing. Its been done well, its been done poorly. Now its 2018. No longer should this concept be considered valuable. Its done. Can it be done again? I guess. But why? And if it is going to be done, do it well. Make it fresh, make an old concept new like Gaga did. Its not for a lack of budget that Poppy sucks homie, she sucks because her music sucks. From her writing to her production value. Its not a lack of budget. Its a lack of individualism, its a lack of authenticity, its a lack of everything that makes a pop star actually intriguing.  Gaga did not have a large budget with The Fame, I feel like youre forgetting that. But there was a messy authenticity to her production and her lyricism and her overall delivery. She had a whole developed world to spread to the masses with and without a budget. Poppy doesn't have that same level of intrigue, she literally looks like any and every boring meta social media artist out at the moment the only difference is she makes insanely off the shelf canned pop product as well and she attempts to get away with releasing that off the shelf nonsense by slapping this post modernist meta performance artist label on herself so she can come across with validity for being so vapid. You're coming at this like her intentions are artful and theyre really not. I can literally go on and on as to why I think you're wrong and why bringing Gaga into this is a losing battle. And it has literally nothing to do with me thinking Gaga is the best and only artist that can achieve artistic aesthetics, I just don't think Poppy is good. Period. I think shes basic unoriginal trash trying to disguise herself as performance art making music thats equivalent to Paris Hilton's recent releases and its annoying and yes im aware that some people feel that way about Gaga but theres an abundance of evidence to prove them wrong as well.

Im also really tired of this underdog mentality some pop stans have with artists like Poppy. Where They're totally pop, totally mainstream, but theyre just not played on the radio so somehow that makes them indie or alternative and thus worthy of devotion and support. Thats a new tactic these artists and their labels are using as a means to sell them to you and get you guys to shell out your cash. Im not saying making money is bad, but at least be able to differentiate between the real and the fake. Whos in it to make music/art and whos in it just to make some money and be famous. I cant pretend to express respect for the latter and thats exactly what Poppy is. Genuine people like Grimes trying to give someone like her the benefit of the doubt and lend out a hand to collaborate is noble on Grimes' end but im not here for it. That Poppy is not that bitch.

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Im cringing that im writing essays again. I literally can't help but get this passionate when im irked on a subject but I personally feel like thats what forums like this are for, discussions both heated and breezy. just for the record. none of this is too personal.