Ex-EXO member Kris inks deal with Interscope records for US debut

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7 hours ago, The21Monster said:

Everyone gonna make their US debut before CL 

She hasn’t yet? She better get started! I didn’t learn The Baddest Female in 1 day when it originally came out for nothing.

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7 hours ago, TooCool said:

Are you one of those ultra super sensitive users who accuses others immediately for no apparent reason of being racist, terrorist, gender non-respecting?! You are the reason why Gaga fans are perceived by the outside world as part of generation snowflake...

You sound very uneducated!   And you are devaluating the meaning of racism and you contribute to the inflationary use of unfounded racism-accusations. Because you have absolutely no clue what racism means. Racism has nothing do with language.

Also, pointing at language issues has nothing to do with racism either - it's called "describing reality" - a task some users seem to have tremendous problems with.

And no, he's not a native anglophone. He was born in China and grew up in Asia and only lived in Vancouver for a few years, and by the way, Vancouver and nearby Richmond, a suburb of Vancouver, is the big city in The Americas with the largest Chinese community in %. You can actually live in Vancouver and Richmond without speaking English at all.

He's far from speaking as good English as US-Americans and British people do.

Also, he had to learn Korean and since he is more famous in Korea than in the US, he had to focus on Korean and Chinese more than on English. In his English interviews, Kris avoids to give longer answers and speaks basic English while his Korean and Chinese interviews are longer. So, well, he can be proud to know English, but it's far from being enough to be called native anglophone.

 

"Language environment is important

Teachers in Richmond schools are also noticing that Chinese students are avoiding speaking English when they’re outside the classroom, which is a problem.

“Language environment is important to learning any language. Most of the students probably speak Chinese at home with their parents. Now, because there are so many Chinese students at school, they stick together in groups and speak Chinese all the time,” said Tina Ding, who has been a language teacher for 18 years. She teaches Mandarin and the English Language Learning program at Richmond Secondary School. Teacher Tina Ding tallies the marks in her Mandarin 12 class. “The only time they speak English is during in-class exercises.”

Source: https://thethunderbird.ca/2018/01/31/richmond-chinese-speaking-students-english-grades-fall-behind/

 

And just by the way: Only because somebody is US-American or Canadian, doesn't mean that that person has to be anglophone. In Canada, you can live in French not speaking English at all just as you can speaking only Spanish in Miami, USA. Same applies for Vancouver. Also since he must focus on Mandarin, Catonese and Korean at the same time, English is not Kris' greatest priority.

22% of Vancouver City speaks Chinese as native language, compared to 51% in English. In Richmond, Chinese speakers outnumber native English speakers.

http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2016/dp-pd/prof/details/page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=CSD&Code1=5915022&Geo2=PR&Code2=01&Data=Count&SearchText=Vancouver&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&B1=Language&TABID=1

 

 

 

You're out here writing a four page essay on why a Canadian CITIZEN (who obviously had to pass a citizenship test in English lol) will never be as "good" speaking English than somebody who was born there, as if you can't possibly pick up fluency of English while attending a public school there for 8 years. (News flash: English is not a hard language either, I picked up fluency without even having visited an anglophone country.) You're making judgements about one single person, based on two vague articles you cherry picked from the internet that back up your point, without even having hearing the person in question speak English in the first place or giving him a chance. And then you started this conversation with a post that pretty much reads "Why don't they stay just they over there?" as well. That's just racist.

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5 hours ago, Supersonic said:

You're out here writing a four page essay on why a Canadian CITIZEN (who obviously had to pass a citizenship test in English lol) will never be as "good" speaking English than somebody who was born there, as if you can't possibly pick up fluency of English while attending a public school there for 8 years. (News flash: English is not a hard language either, I picked up fluency without even having visited an anglophone country.) You're making judgements about one single person, based on two vague articles you cherry picked from the internet that back up your point, without even having hearing the person in question speak English in the first place or giving him a chance. And then you started this conversation with a post that pretty much reads "Why don't they stay just they over there?" as well. That's just racist.

5 hours ago, Supersonic said:

You're out here writing a four page essay on why a Canadian CITIZEN (who obviously had to pass a citizenship test in English lol) will never be as "good" speaking English than somebody who was born there, as if you can't possibly pick up fluency of English while attending a public school there for 8 years. (News flash: English is not a hard language either, I picked up fluency without even having visited an anglophone country.) You're making judgements about one single person, based on two vague articles you cherry picked from the internet that back up your point, without even having hearing the person in question speak English in the first place or giving him a chance. And then you started this conversation with a post that pretty much reads "Why don't they stay just they over there?" as well. That's just racist.

1. You can pass Canadian Citizenship in English or French anywhere in Canada, and Canadian Citizienship in English only requires English skills that are equal to about five years of English at school.  Any Gagadaily User who can read the articles on Gagadaily.com and knows elementary  Lady Gaga lyrics could pass the Canadian Citizenship in English. Having Canadian Citizenship does not imply that someone is perfect in English.

2. I never said that you can't pick up fluency in English - of course, this is possible.

Being fluent in English is not the same as being native anglophone.

Being fluent in English means that you can express yourself in English at ease. Native anglophones have a vocabulary that far exceeds the vocabulary of those who are only fluent in English, but not native anglophone.

It is a matter of fact that the US-American charts are dominated by native anglophones.

Even Rihanna is from Barbados, an English-speaking island nation. Interestingly, some musicians from (anglophone) Jamaica are popular in the US, but the same does not apply for artists from Hispanic Carribbean islands.

It is a matter of fact, that non-native anglophones have almost 0% chance to become successful in US-America.

Many European artists tried to become famous in US-America and they speak good English but the only ones who succeed are some artists from the UK and Ireland - the birthplace of the English language - in US-America. Many people from Germany and France tried to become popular in US-America and they all failed except for Natalie Horler, who had some kind of success in US-America. Interestingly, Natalie Horler is of British origin and a native speaker of English, so she only proves the fact, that you can only become big in US-America as a native anglophone.

3. Kris' English is fine, but his English is not on the same level as the one of native anglophones. That's a difference. There is the Scottish user @StrawberryBlond on this site, she writes the best English that I have ever read and her English skills are excellent. I assume that she talks in real life also on this high level like she uses to write. Comparing Kris English interviews with @StrawberryBlond posts on Gagadaily, I notice that @StrawberryBlond 's English is far better than Kris' English and that there are big differences in expression, rhetoric style and choice of words. Of course, this is no surprise because she is native anglophone. However, this is my point: @StrawberryBlond has a greater theoretical chance of becoming famous in the United States than Kris, because she is native anglophone and he is not.

4. It depends. English is relatively easy for native speakers of other Germanic languages like Dutch or German or Norwegian. English is still rather easy for French speakers.

English, though, is really hard for native Chinese speakers.

5. I did not say that I don't want to give him a chance. (I can't stop him either way... lol)

I said that based on previous experiences and given circumstances, that his chances are extremely low to become big in the US and that, in my opinion, he should rather be happy being famous in Asian than struggling to become famous in America - which he most likely won't become.

6. Also just as I wrote, Vancouver and Richmond have the largest Chinese community in The Americas relative to its population. Kris attended Sir Winston Churchill Secondary School (Vancouver), which is a FRENCH IMMERSION SCHOOL, famous for its intensive French programmes. It also offers lessons in Mandarin and Japanese. This means, that the %-share of English instruction is moderate because much instruction is given in languages other than English. Also, this school is attended by a high number of pupils whose native language isn't English, so Kris wasn't exposed to native English all the time. Kris had some other Chinese friends, while he was in Vancouver and he spoke with them Chinese in his free time, it is only natural for kids to prefer to speak in their native language. However if they speak in a language other than English, they won't develop the same skills as those who do it in English...

Just to make a comparison: @StrawberryBlond probably attended a normal school in Scotland, where English is the language of instruction for everything all the time except for maybe three hours a week where a foreign language is taught like French (not the same as French immersion school!), her classmater probably were 80%+ native anglophones and she spoke to them in her free time in English. In her Scottish town/city, probably English was the only everday language of communicating and business activities. It comes as no surprise, that in such surroundings, one has better opprtunities to become perfect in English than in the case of Kris.

7. Kris has already left Vancouver A DECADE AGO in 2008 and moved to Korea, where he was exposed to Korean and forgot a lot of his English over time. Also, he wasn't exactly 8 years in Vancouver, it was 6-7 years because when he was 15 he spent a whole year in China again.

8. It is nice for him that he knows Mandarin, Cantonese, Korean, Frech and English. But obviously he is not a native anglophone, and it is a fact that all the big famous singers in the US are native anglophones, often even monolingual anglophones. Also, since he knows so many languages, this is also noticeable when he speaks English. And chances to become big in the US as a non native anglophone are extremely low, so he is going to flop with his US debut.

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So Kris Wu already released few songs in ENGLISH. One of them is featuring Travis Scott another one of them is the theme song of a big Hollywood movie production, they were doing ok on iTunes considering that he didn’t have an American label to back up the marketing and payola and all that ****.

Point is he has a Chinese accent when he speaks English, but his English is good enough for him to write up to standard Rap verses. Im not native in English either but I am an English major in University. I can write grammatical English if I paid close attention, I can even express in the language artistically. I don’t think Kris Wu has any language barriers considering that he spent time in Canada + able to write lyrics.

He is already successful in the Chinese rapping scene. He was one of the coaches of a Chinese rap reality show. In the show, one of his mentees was MC Jin, a veteran Chinese American rapper. Of course I don’t doubt that the show was scripted but then he has built relationships with people who still has certain impact in the Hip Hop world.

I think he is going to succeed (not Kendrick or Drake level but will be known) coz he is to certain extent welcomed by the Hip Hop community. With his connections he can be a global artist too. FFS he was the face of Burberry and along with many K Pop stars, he is known in the fashion world for example. With the label and management he has now, he can easily make headlines or win best dressed etc in those social or fashion events to stir up media attention.

He will probably be at least on BTS level of success that he will become a household name for the younger people.