Madonna and M.I.A. never spoke again after SB controversy

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2 hours ago, saturn said:

i'm at loss of words at how unbelievably dense you are

she's been giving you facts and evidence for the past 4 pages and you just keep dismissing everything with your typical SJW catchphrases and pull out shallow pretexts each time. You like to cover your ears and keep shouting "RACIST!!111!!!" and whatnot when all she's doing is using reason and being impartial. It's crazy how people like you will only support actual facts and proof when it benefits your own point of view.

I follow @StrawberryBlond 's posts on this website and she always discusses her points in an informed and pragmatic way. It's always ignorant uninformed users who always storm her with not well thought arguments which often consist in repeating the same popular sjw blogger chatter over and over and deliberately ignoring any rational stances and reality. Yall won't hesitate to label anyone racist, prejudiced, etc. unless they never criticize any minority group  of any kind in any way and never point out any crime patterns by said groups - not realizing by doing so you go against everything you pretend to stand for, and that you're the ones who are actually being ostracizing.

If you partecipate in these debates for the sake of looking politically correct to validate yourself and your reputation in your own social circle then i advice you to go back to tumblr to howl about how all "cishet" white men are pigs, the republicans are the devil and how black people are the ultimate victim while everyone else lives in a perfect privilidged bubble and stuff like that - or - you could actually inform yourself from reliable sources, rebuke that immature and embarrasing online mob mentality and so become able to have intelligent and balanced rational discussions. your choice

Thank you for making me sksksk. I love how you call me a SJW but you use the same strategy that SJWs use: writing more "intelectually" just to make yourself seems smarter. A racist isn't just a person that says "I hate *n-word*". It's a person who decriminates black people, intentionally or not. 

Not all cishet men are pigs. Both the republicans and the democrats are corrupt. Black people aren't the "ultimate victim". You sound like a Trump supporter by the way you wrote. Maybe you're not. 

You're telling me to go back to Tumblr, which is what any bigot does when a person tries do defend minorities. But you can't give me an actual argument, so you simply tell me to "do research" and "go back to Tumblr". Hell, I don't even have an account on Tumblr lmao.

Sorry that I can't have "rational" discussions with racists. 

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8 hours ago, HausOfAmericano said:

no, just no. it's just that his performance was weak compared to previous performers. it has nothing to do with race.

 

yes, bc black men are less critized than black women. but let's be honest, that's just bc people have this image that all black men are criminals, so of course they're gonna let that pass over. they're talked badly about by media, but their listeners don't care bc 

a) they're sexist privileged men

b) they just listen to the music, regardless of the artist's past

That doesn't work the same for females

If it was a black man raping the girl, you know they would not care about whether they had good academic records/where good at certain things. 

i stopped reading at the "you'll notice in most of the cases where a black man was shot..." part. It's not true. Do you think BLM was created in support of criminals? you're being no better than the #AllLivesMatter people.

you're just racist, admit it. also, I highlighted that part bc it's just so dumb. what do you think "underprivileged" means? did you bang your head against the wall or something? 

if you know about this, then it was bc people knew about it. he didn't say to a mic nor did he cause that much outrage, you're just being dramatic.

So what's your point here?

 

That's why Fancy hit #1 in 2015, Halsey got a hit with Closer with the The Trashsmokers and Cardi B has four Top 10 entries early into her career. Being basic early into your career works.

 

Yeah, bc their audience are cishet men, who think they're the best. They're a huge part of the GP, and the GP only cares about their mistakes if they're huge enough.  No, she's overrated bc she's a female that's ruling the charts and stan culture needs her bc all females are doing nothing. Not bc she's black, genius.

You’re obviously so dismissive of her because you don’t have a real argument against anything she says. I don’t even understand your angle anymore. It’s hard to follow. At 12 percent of the population- black artist, especially MEDIOCRE black artist are more than fairly represented in the media. In fact, they make up of over half of the music industry- and half of the charts at the current moment. Factually, and statistically its now considered to have a priveleged angle when you are a black music artist in American charts because you are more likely to be represented then Hispanic artist who make up an even higher percentage of the American population. Asian/American artists have almost 0 representation. 

Your goal I guess is to fight racism, but what statistics or facts do you bring to the table, besides your personal opinion- which is highly delusional, and easily debatable. 

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14 minutes ago, NCgaga said:

You’re obviously so dismissive of her because you don’t have a real argument against anything she says. I don’t even understand your angle anymore. It’s hard to follow. At 12 percent of the population- black artist, especially MEDIOCRE black artist are more than fairly represented in the media. In fact, they make up of over half of the music industry- and half of the charts at the current moment. Factually, and statistically its now considered to have a priveleged angle when you are a black music artist in American charts because you are more likely to be represented then Hispanic artist who make up an even higher percentage of the American population. Asian/American artists have almost 0 representation. 

Your goal I guess is to fight racism, but what statistics or facts do you bring to the table, besides your personal opinion- which is highly delusional, and easily debatable. 

Just bc there are more doesn't mean there's less racism. Besides I never said that black artists weren't less represented, get some glasses. I actually they're actually going to get more popularity bc of their target audience: men.

Racism isn't just statics for your information, but go off I guess.

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1 hour ago, HausOfAmericano said:

Just bc there are more doesn't mean there's less racism. Besides I never said that black artists weren't less represented, get some glasses. I actually they're actually going to get more popularity bc of their target audience: men.

Racism isn't just statics for your information, but go off I guess.

Still, no. Your whole argument, and I followed it for a few pages, is based off what has been fed to you through the media. You obviously have no real education in demographics or statistics when it comes to race. Those bits of knoledge do not add up  with what you’re spewing. Of course racism exists, but you’re coming from a very media based angle, not a fact driven one. That’s why several people have now called you out on your verbiage. That Doesn’t make them racist(the obvious choice to go to when you are losing an argument). They just have more knowledge on the issue then you do.

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I don't feel like reading the whole thread to see if someone spoke about this so I am just going to drop some facts on you about this situation.

I swear there is allot of racism included in this whole situation and I will tell you why I think that. When M.I.A flipped off the camera there was exactly 222 complaint letters to NFL from the general public about the middle finger and she got sued for 16.6 million dollars. 
NOW LISTEN TO THIS...
When Justin Timberlake ripped out the costume of Janet Jackson and showed her whole boob on television (before you come for my wig i don't have a problem with women's boobs being out like I am all for free the nipple but this is just for the facts and for the sake of comparison)... That incident got 540.000 letters of complaints from the general public and he didn't even get sued because he is WHITE HETERO MALE.

and madonna is just a mean grumpy old lady 

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11 hours ago, HausOfAmericano said:

no, just no. it's just that his performance was weak compared to previous performers. it has nothing to do with race.

 

yes, bc black men are less critized than black women. but let's be honest, that's just bc people have this image that all black men are criminals, so of course they're gonna let that pass over. they're talked badly about by media, but their listeners don't care bc 

a) they're sexist privileged men

b) they just listen to the music, regardless of the artist's past

That doesn't work the same for females

If it was a black man raping the girl, you know they would not care about whether they had good academic records/where good at certain things. 

i stopped reading at the "you'll notice in most of the cases where a black man was shot..." part. It's not true. Do you think BLM was created in support of criminals? you're being no better than the #AllLivesMatter people.

you're just racist, admit it. also, I highlighted that part bc it's just so dumb. what do you think "underprivileged" means? did you bang your head against the wall or something? 

if you know about this, then it was bc people knew about it. he didn't say to a mic nor did he cause that much outrage, you're just being dramatic.

So what's your point here?

 

That's why Fancy hit #1 in 2015, Halsey got a hit with Closer with the The Trashsmokers and Cardi B has four Top 10 entries early into her career. Being basic early into your career works.

 

Yeah, bc their audience are cishet men, who think they're the best. They're a huge part of the GP, and the GP only cares about their mistakes if they're huge enough.  No, she's overrated bc she's a female that's ruling the charts and stan culture needs her bc all females are doing nothing. Not bc she's black, genius.

Right, so if a black singer gives a mediocre performance and gets slammed for it, is it purely because of the performance, in your mind? Or is it racism? Because you seem to think that racism is the only reason why any black artist could get criticised, ever.

So, you do admit that black men have some level of privilege then, even if it's just over their black female peers? See, I knew you'd likely resort to the argument of "white people stereotype all black men as criminals anyway, so it makes no difference" but I've got an answer for that too - if that's the case, why are black men so easily signed by white-managed record labels, then? Racists don't want anyone around them who's not like them, they certainly won't want to employ them. They certainly won't want to employ a black person with a criminal record. So, if these people are still getting employed, what does that tell you? I'm white with a university degree and no criminal record. I've never been employed. Does that fact knock you sideways?

If the rapist was black but had a high degree of education, was a in a well-job, and/or was well respected in their community, then yes, only the good things about their life would probably be mentioned. Frankly, I'm always reading about white criminals and I can tell you that the conservative press treat them like scum and relish in detailing every part of their colourful history. As I said before, in Britain, we have no sympathy for dangerous criminals, no matter their race. That's not to say that the courts show them no mercy (as a matter of fact, we usually say the court's decision was too lenient) but the courts aren't the same as the wider public. Put it this way - if you lived a life of crime, what else are the press going to report on when they tell the story of your biggest crime to date? Of course they'll bring up criminal records, previous convictions. That's not "only focusing on the negative," that's accurate reporting. The only reason that you don't always see this for white criminals is probably because it was their first offence (or the first to ever be discovered by police) and they did a good job at covering up their double life, so everyone talks like: "They seemed so normal and law-abiding" when interviewed. You can't bring up records and convictions if they didn't have any.

And stopping reading once you reach a certain sentence is the reason why you end up looking foolish. Because if you had read the full extent, you might have changed your mind. And you clearly don't want to see any information that challenges your views and mindset. What I used to like about being a liberal was the fact that, much like the name, we were open to different viewpoints and were prepared to listen to information that challenged the status quo. But in the last few years, liberals have really regressed. Now they outright refuse to entertain any information that comes from a conservative source, outright refuse to believe any negative statistic about an oppressed group, twist information to suit their agenda, claim to hate propaganda and then push liberal propaganda. I remain a liberal, but not this new version that shuts down any dissenting thought and never admits they're wrong. And actually, BLM was technically created in support of criminals. I supported it until it took a dark turn and I researched it properly. It was largely inspired by Assata Shakur, a former member of the Black Liberation Army and a convicted cop killer, on list of the FBI's most wanted terrorists. The founder of BLM, Alicia Garza, actually praised Assata in her mission statement and you'll see the occasional BLM member wearing hoodies that read "Assata taught me" or "Assata taught me how to fight." Time and time again, BLM have marched the streets singing chants that call for the death of police officers, have smashed up cars, shops and properties in their marches and have even assaulted white people who wanted to march with them, claiming that it isn't their place. Another thing is, when you look into the history of a lot of black people who they hold up as innocent, you'll discover that they were dangerous and weren't following police orders. I actually watched a video of a black woman talking about how the anger is in the wrong place. She described the incident of a black man in St Louis shooting at police and was shot by an officer. In the same day, a drive-by shooting was pulled in Ferguson, a 9-year-old girl got killed by a stray bullet to the chest in a drive-by shooting, while she was sitting on her bed, doing her homework. She asked: "Last night, who do you think they protested for? The thug, the criminal, because they're hollering police brutality. Are you f**king kidding me? How about black brutality?" In the same video, she went on to say that she turned her black son into jail because she taught her kids that if you disobey the law after all your parents have done, you deserve jail time. She urged black people to stop killing each other, for that was the biggest cause of black lives lost. And I'm right on her side. Of course, black people were quick to call her a coon. So predictable. The harsh truth is too much to take for some people.

No, I'm not racist. I'm not going to admit to something I'm not guilty of. Just because I call out the reality of a situation and don't live in a dreamworld of denial doesn't make me racist. Partly the reason why black people can't progress is because too many excuses are made and personal responsibility isn't being encouraged meaning that not enough of them are doing anything to break the cycle. Plenty of white people live in the same impoverished conditions and don't commit crime and no excuse is offered for them if they do. I'm just treating black people with the same standards. If and when they become equal, that's what's going to happen, so why not start now? Oh, no, we can't, because equal standards aren't what some want, it's special treatment. What's scarier is that they don't even realise they're asking for special treatment, they genuinely think white people get everything handed to them and get away with everything and they want the same untrue reality. If you believe this, you can't have hung around too many white people in your life. And when I said "underprivileged," I was talking about the many meanings of this term. Privileged can mean anything from white, rich, male, able-bodied, heterosexual. I wasn't just talking about race. My point is that you can't always necessarily get away with something just because you're a straight white male. We all have laws we have to live by in this society and unless you're maybe an untouchable celebrity legend, you'll do the time if you don't follow them. "The law will treat you far worse if you come from an oppressed group" is very unfounded. I've read countless stories about POC who got ridiculously lenient sentences and police not even approaching POC who are under suspicion for fear of being reported for being racist.

In reference to the black men swearing into the camera at the SB last year, I knew it happened because I watched it live on tv. So, obviously, he said it with the camera on him and knew that people would hear him. He said it several times. 42 seconds in particular is really overt:

And that was my point - this moment did not cause an outrage, even though a black man did it. So, what's your theory here?

The point I was making about Miley was that Bangerz ruined her image for good. She was thought of as a joke because of it and a new, milder direction can't be taken seriously because we know what she's really like underneath. My point is also that her supposed stealing of black culture was a major factor in what made her joke and in the age of "wokeness," such things are enough to make people stop buying your work. At the end of the day, this is a thing that can happen to white females, so their career is in a more precarious position than a black female's as no one will ever accuse them of stealing white culture.

Yeah, being basic early in your career works, it's nothing to do with race. But I don't think that was the point you wanted to make.

Plenty of cis het women buy music from black artists too. Sure, Cardi may be popping right now because fans of female music are starving for a new name to rule the charts but if that's what they wanted, there's lots of other women making better music than Bodak Yellow. So, why does she get the sales? I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'd like women to have a presence on the charts again but only if they're worthwhile and talented. And there's plenty of them around, so I don't know why the public still picks up on the mediocre and trash from women lately.

8 hours ago, HausOfAmericano said:

Thank you for making me sksksk. I love how you call me a SJW but you use the same strategy that SJWs use: writing more "intelectually" just to make yourself seems smarter. A racist isn't just a person that says "I hate *n-word*". It's a person who decriminates black people, intentionally or not. 

Not all cishet men are pigs. Both the republicans and the democrats are corrupt. Black people aren't the "ultimate victim". You sound like a Trump supporter by the way you wrote. Maybe you're not. 

You're telling me to go back to Tumblr, which is what any bigot does when a person tries do defend minorities. But you can't give me an actual argument, so you simply tell me to "do research" and "go back to Tumblr". Hell, I don't even have an account on Tumblr lmao.

Sorry that I can't have "rational" discussions with racists. 

Oh, this is funny. SJWs invent pretentious, pseudo intellectual terms to sound smart. I'm just using terms in everyday language. I learned to read at a very young age, I love reading and writing and I did a lot of that through being at university. That's why I sound like what I do, this is me being as real as can be. Shaming people for being educated is just as bad as shaming them for being uneducated. You tell me to educate myself despite me already showing that I've got that, just because you don't like what I'm coming out with. And yes, I know a racist person isn't someone who simply says the n word. It's much more than that. But I do not stereotype, discriminate or oppress any POC. For one thing, I've never been in a position to oppress anyone. I've been powerless my whole life in every possible way.

It's funny how you said "maybe you're a Trump supporter. Maybe you're not." If you doubted it, why did you write it? Though a bit of doubt is good, it shows that you're capable of thinking that not everyone fits a cookie-cutter stereotype just because a few of their beliefs aren't quite in line with most liberals.

And "go back to Tumblr" is the same version of the "go back to your white supremacy land" sentiment that gets thrown at people like me whenever I have the guts to say something outwith the status quo. I must add that you haven't given an argument with examples, yet, I've provided numerous examples after you demanded them of me, every single one thrown out because you didn't like the truth. And you have the nerve to tell others that they haven't made a good argument yet?

 

By the way, @saturn and @NCgaga - you both hit the nail on the head! I'm totally grateful for anyone who defends me around here, I really need it at the best of times!

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I think M was pissed off because shes known to be controversial and in questions before she said it was trying to put on the best show in the world and that it would be family friendly and a celebration. M worked on it for months. (It showed, she was amazing).

Yeah, the finger wasnt much at all but it went against what she said. I think it was just a subtle bad mistake on MIA's part and should be forgotten by now. Madonna was the star, hardly anybody bar newspapers noticed it and she blew the stadium apart with her performance. 

I watch all the superbowls shows, Love Gagas, loved Beyonces, Princes and even going back to Michael Jacksons. Madonnas is clearly the best by miles if you like her or not. 

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On 27/2/2018 at 4:22 PM, Cheesy Potatoes said:

A finger being more controversial than Madonna's career confirmed

edit: Madonna rides on so many trends by new trendy artists that she can't remember to speak to one of them again

If she collaborates with new artists, you say she's only taking benefit of them and when she shades a new artist you say she's not supportive of them?

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3 hours ago, LoisLilMonster said:

If she collaborates with new artists, you say she's only taking benefit of them and when she shades a new artist you say she's not supportive of them?

did you assume that part?

and she DON'T have to do either of this

she can choose good artists to work with not the trendy ones

stop trying to make anyone a delulu who can't even think

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I am a legend. **** the NFL

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On 27/02/2018 at 4:13 PM, tomsches said:

I don't get why she collaborated with Madonna in the first place. To me she doesn't seem like someone who would work on something so commercial as a Madonna single.

Who would refuse a Madonna collaboration seriously ?...

I know Monsters are resentful but she's the Queen of Pop. A collaboration with her is still a huge opportunity in a career.

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Let’s be real the controversy happened because she’s not white, American or a man which is sad. But Madonna is a known culture vulture and trend hopper post-90s so yeah

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15 hours ago, monketsharona said:

Who would refuse a Madonna collaboration seriously ?...

The woman who this website is dedicated to has done... twice  

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Madonna had given her word there would be no flashing, statements or controversy with her performance days before it happened. There's interviews of her being asked and she fulfilled her promise. MIA is the one who gave the finger and was later sued because of it.

Madonna went on record saying she had very little rehearsal time (two I think) and she micromanged everything to make sure it went well and would be in her words "the greatest show on Earth." So when a guest goes and does something like that, of course everyone's bound to think the stunt was in Madonna fashion and it wasn't? If anything, I could understand Madonna being angry she went out of her way to give a good show and to suddenly have something like that happened after having to assure the NFL/all those involved it'd be without any of it.