Lets face it

[Glamourpuss 29,062]

I think it's because we live in the age of social media and streaming. Everybody wants fast everything. That's why Ed Sheeran is so popular. He caters fast food (easy listening "bops" for the current charts that won't age well) for the masses.  I think if Madonna was starting out today she would face the same struggles. Also being in your early thirties makes you out of touch with the younger generation because you remember a time before cell phones and social media and it's hard to adapt. Lady Gaga should be most popular on Instagram but she isn't. I'm similar in age to Gaga and feel this way and get the sense she's very similar that's how I've formed this opinion as its just the way it seems to be. 

[He8MyHeart 9,765]

I feel like Gaga took turning 30 too seriously and lost some of her spark then. But I don't think it's fair to compare artists.

[PunkTheFunk 124,405]

Sad, but true. She achieved dizzying levels of global fame in such a short amount of time that it probably took so much energy out of her. And she was so overexposed to the point that people inevitably became sick of her.

The music industry was completely different in the 1980s when Madonna started out so we can't compare the two. There was no social media, no 24-hour news cycle, no YouTube, no downloads or streaming. If you wanted to keep up with your favorite pop star you went to the mall and bought a record, or you waited until you heard them on the radio, or you checked what they were up to in the magazines. I wasn't around then but I'm assuming Madonna's rise to fame was a lot more organic and gradual. She probably had more time to take it all in and adjust, and the GP wasn't bombarded with her like we were with Gaga.

[Ricardo 7,809]

5 minutes ago, PatrickMonster said:

Madonna was never that creative, she just had an amazing team to put out interesting things for her. She's just a puppet just like Britney

oh my god, just don't.. 

Gaga also had a team which pretty much brought the ideas, does the name "Dada" rings a bell? Everything Gaga was in 09/10 is pretty much his creation so let's not. Almost every artist has a team which brings ideas to them, it's clear when the artist are creative themselves (i.e. Gaga or Madonna) and sometimes they are not... 

[Saade Baena 1,786]

Gaga has lost her creative team 

Without the old haus she became a mess

[SEXODUS 5,927]

4 minutes ago, Mr Peeps said:

*has severe body pain*

’Guys I think she lost her spark’

I don't think it's fair to make this about fibro just to make who posted it look like a DIChead. Chronic pain can be hard, so you definitely have a point there, but it doesn't necessarily affect artistic choices and ideological coherence. 

[Glamourpuss 29,062]

10 minutes ago, He8MyHeart said:

I feel like Gaga took turning 30 too seriously and lost some of her spark then. But I don't think it's fair to compare artists.

Yes I think she focuses too much on how her life should be. Such as settled down and married with kids before 40 and wanting to be a respectable Italian girl. Instead of just being who she is right now. Some people spend their whole lives finding themselves. Perhaps she's struggling with that. I dunno, just a theory because I too think she took turning 30 too seriously. 

[E24187 615]

22 minutes ago, Mr Peeps said:

*has severe body pain*

’Guys I think she lost her spark’

\end thread. 

[Sailor 3,321]

It's up to her. I may never get the intellectual, avant-garde singer I want from her, but that's okay if that's not what she wants to do.

[Chromatislaps 34,840]

Well MJ had never lost his spark in terms of talent (dancing, writing songs, composing music and singing), This Is It showed that he was capable of giving slayage at the age of 50. According to Latoya (older sister), Joe Jackson (father) and Katherine Jackson (mom) there were some high ranking elites in AEG who basically wanted MJ to work himself to death (so he would be more profitable that way) The official news is that it was  involuntary manslaughter what got MJ killed...family and close people around him say that it was more than likely that there were people that wanted him dead.

As for Gaga, she keeps improving, she's still trying to get better. Vocally she is at her A game, look wise she has chosen not to go for FameGa, that time is over. She slayed fricking hard at the Super Bowl Half Time Show...giving us the Gaga we love. The thing that makes stans bitter is that her music and her music video aren't the cultural moments popstans are waiting for. We want short films/music videos that slay us and top Bad Romance or any other iconic TF/TFM/early BTW & ARTPOP music videos. 

[Sneaky Oliver 22,067]

Yes let's face it: she didn't promise you guys that she would be TF/TFM-like forever. If you only like these albums, its okay you can stream them whenever you want but you can't point a finger and tell this woman she's not good enough 

[AlexanderMagno 10,746]

Because she no longer has the creative team she had in her best years. That's why it was too soon.

 

Sorry, but that's the only truth I can see. Even if you say she wanted to do something different, explore different genres and visuals, the result has been average. It's like she can't execute her ideas properly. More and more I'm sure the great Lady Gaga was built by an amazing creative team (which, of course, included her) and once that team was dismissed she simply couldn't sustain it.

Her transition into a more "human" pop star was not done successfully.

Why do you think everything about ARTPOP failed once Troy Carter left her team? Fans love to talk about how ARTPOP would have been the most amazing era if she had done everything she promised, specially technology wise. But explain to me, what stopped her? Her manager leaving? If ARTPOP was something she wanted to do, why didn't she after Troy left? She didn't have any lack of money and still had a creative team behind her, and a new manager. All the ARTPOP's promising ventures were probably Troy's idea and he took them once they parted ways.

The things she says, from dismissing the Lady Gaga persona to contradicting herself (specially when it comes to the "who's to blame" questions).

Everything about her has been predictable and safe. Seriously, for a pop star who has alwas been about "I don't give a ****", I don't remember the last time she actually didn't. It looks like she completely changed once she experience the slightest flop in her career. ARTPOP didn't do as good and immediately she hides herself, and starts planning her career in a whole different way. There are out there music artists a lot less resources, in every single way, who continue to produce the music they want to. I thought Gaga would be more like them. Instead, she behaves like a pop star who's simply aiming at a higher status. I mean, even Katy Perry has been more cohesive with her statements and has stick to her work more than Gaga...

 

Anyway, this is just ranting. I haven't been stan blinded for years and I mostly write these things because there are so many fans who still think Gaga is their best friend (when in reality she's just a pop star) and that's incredibly irritating.

I'm sick of the whole "next album will be the one". Everyone has been saying this since Born This Way (for me, her best work). I said to myself, Joanne would be the next album. And besides the music, not particularly great except three songs, she did a few uninspired videos, she interrupted an album era to shoot a movie (and now acting is her actual thing, music is just something that's on the way), she released her most generic and trendy song ever, she released a documentary about her personal life, which wasn't really as inspiring as I was expecting. I won't discuss the tour, even though I think she knew sooner she was going to cancel, it's a health issue and that will be understandable.

So yeah, I'm not forcing myself to stan for a woman who hasn't delivered. Gaga is just an entertainer people, life's not about her.

[SHALLOW 16,384]

It feels like you're a Madonnester to me 

[QueenMortuana 1,193]

I mean people burn out on certain things. People change. She’s had some traumatic experiences that can either benefit that spark or dim it. It was bound to happen at some point. 

 

We should also consider the praise she received after the ARTPOP era up to Joanne’s release. I’m sure having people “love her again” caused her to lean in a certain direction. 

[Zombiecat 16,594]

1 hour ago, Earthling said:

 

Do you even remember her FOURTH album ARTPOP ? 

Gaga doesn't