Gaga, I love you, but....

[Tan Fei 1,324]

Its ok . I will still support her even if i dont have a chance to see her at all .

[andy232000 11,689]

1 minute ago, FRANK1991 said:

they can just add that to the number of betrayals

like yeah what about Act 2

Telephone Continuation blah blah blah we've all grown up knowing nothing she says is confirmed until an actual announcement  

 

She didn't come to my country after BTWT so I've already given up

it is weird she didn't go to Australia or New Zealand, probably because Japan flopped and it's just so out of the way to go with so few places

same! like I knew gaga would never tour my country again (at least she spent her vacation here) so im so not conflicted about it. 

I will say i was surprised that she didnt visit Australia, but hey, after we found out about her disease It made sense to cut down shows

[andy232000 11,689]

11 minutes ago, FrankGutz said:

She did better with sales in countries like Mexico, Brazil than some Europe countries like France, dont come up with the bs of demand, smh

Brazil is the almost the only country excluded from not having enough demand! she really messed up not rescheduling a show there. 

lets also take into account that Latin American Structure is highly underdeveloped. The stage for the tour probably doesnt fit on a few countries (at least in mine there is no venue that fits her stage unless she brings the stadium stage)

[FGGrayson 9,670]

1 minute ago, andy232000 said:

Brazil is the almost the only country excluded from not having enough demand! she really messed up not rescheduling a show there. 

lets also take into account that Latin American Structure is highly underdeveloped. The stage for the tour probably doesnt fit on a few countries (at least in mine there is no venue that fits her stage unless she brings the stadium stage)

tbh im not even that pressedt for the Joanne tour, im still bitter and pressedT for the ARTRAVE tbh, anvsvlalvnavbalfkanvl

[Leeo 2,366]

1 minute ago, andy232000 said:

Yes, in 2009-2011 when Gaga had world domination over music. Try selling out a 30,000 stadium now in places like Costa Rica, Panama, Chile or Argentina with Joanne and see how that goes 

Also, IDK why mentioning other artists is relevant? Different artists get different demands. you´re just throwing out numbers of past years as if they were comparable. Gaga is not a streaming force, nor selling force in most Latin American countries TODAY. She used to be, thats why TMB and BTWB were brought to some countries (and the BTWB was borderline flopping). 

in order for pop music to be "a hit" in a latin american realm, it has to be MASIVE ala "uptown funk", "havanna" "despacito" "cheap thrills", where the song is EVERYWHERE, and even if that were the case, people usually only know singles, not albums. Joanne would literally be known just for Million Reasons. The actually following of albums comes from little cute fan clubs dedicated to each artist that are not enough to fill a 30,000 stadium. 

Also, you say that the tickets are too expensive...why do you think that is? To cover the cost of bringing the show there, therefore, no, they cant make tickets cheaper because otherwise who´s gonna pay to have the stage fly overseas? who´s gonna pay the local constructors who assemble the stage? who´s gonna pay the national concert promoters? I dont know how it works in America and Europe, but at least here in my country, evry single ticket gets an additional tax that specifically goes to paying the stadium services. A 20 dollar ticket is obligated to cost $35 by stadium politics to pay all these workers, and if they lower ticket prices then the profit wont be significant, resulting in the question: why even bring the show there?

 

 

Other artists were mentioned because you said Pop music IN GENERAL as it's not popular in Latin America. And it Is.

Katy Perry right now is flopping worldwide, yet, she managed to sell out concerts in Argentina + Brazil with pre-sale and they're selling right now.

 

Of Course you can't count South America with every single country. Gaga in 2012 did so many concerts, even PERU (???). But you can easily do a tour with 4 dates: Chile + Brazil + Argentina. Places where the STAGE can be TRANSPORTED using TRUCKS. Just like they do in Europe.

Gaga sold out RIR fest with over 100k people. That's way more than any concert on this tour will have with double-triple-dates. In one. Single. Date. 

 

Yes, you're right about taxes, that's why most of the promoters from Latin America are getting their asses together and realized it would be so much better to cut some of the EXORBITANT tax. to be able to sell these concerts.

 

You mentioned Joanne, but what about ARTPOP? Right now, the album is charting at itunes Paraguay, El Salvador... of course there are small ones and can't count at all, but you see? Why did she go to Australia with artRAVE without doing any promo and doing shows with curtains yet ignored places like South America??

 

And I hope you don't feel attacked or anything, it's just really sad sometimes how people underestimate places like SA without giving out a real search about the facts. It's a place who deserves to watch any concert just like any other country in Europe. Just like Asia. etc.

[andy232000 11,689]

4 minutes ago, Leeo said:

 

 

Other artists were mentioned because you said Pop music IN GENERAL as it's not popular in Latin America. And it Is.

Katy Perry right now is flopping worldwide, yet, she managed to sell out concerts in Argentina + Brazil with pre-sale and they're selling right now.

 

Of Course you can't count South America with every single country. Gaga in 2012 did so many concerts, even PERU (???). But you can easily do a tour with 4 dates: Chile + Brazil + Argentina. Places where the STAGE can be TRANSPORTED using TRUCKS. Just like they do in Europe.

Gaga sold out RIR fest with over 100k people. That's way more than any concert on this tour will have with double-triple-dates. In one. Single. Date. 

 

Yes, you're right about taxes, that's why most of the promoters from Latin America are getting their asses together and realized it would be so much better to cut some of the EXORBITANT tax. to be able to sell these concerts.

 

You mentioned Joanne, but what about ARTPOP? Right now, the album is charting at itunes Paraguay, El Salvador... of course there are small ones and can't count at all, but you see? Why did she go to Australia with artRAVE without doing any promo and doing shows with curtains yet ignored places like South America??

 

And I hope you don't feel attacked or anything, it's just really sad sometimes how people underestimate places like SA without giving out a real search about the facts. It's a place who deserves to watch any concert just like any other country in Europe. Just like Asia. etc.

Live Nations and Gaga´s team just probably dont see reason to do it because even if she can draw reasonable numbers in Mexico and Brazil, the profit is not that much. Lets also take into account that Gaga has her chronic pain to deal with. the less shows the better for her health.

And lets also remember that not many countries in Latin America have Stadiums, not Arenas. the JWT is designed for Arenas so there is literally no place to put the stage anyway. The only way would be to bring the stadium tour of the JWT, but then that would mean paying for not one, but TWO stages to travel across the world. that means double the cost when they can barely cover one. 

Where I live, the Stadium we have is hosts 30,000 people. The BTWB, (golden years for gaga) was not able to fill it out. and the only other decent venue already has a stage built in, so Gaga would not be able to bring her show anyway. and that happens a lot in countries in SA and especially central america. The infrastructure requirments just dont match like they do with America and Europe.

now, why she didnt travel to Australia and Asia, IDK... I'm guess its for her to not push her body too much. 

[PlastiscGuy 21,176]

Me rn

[Twitter 14]

I agree with many of the comments about the ticket and album sales. However I also agree she should atleast explore more parts of world. I’m not saying she needs to pull another BTWB and do 10-20 dates in a continent unless the demand is that high  but maybe for her future tours she could do 1-2 shows in popular locations to show she still tours there.

Example: 1 show per tour 

Seoul - Olympic Stadium

Chiba - Zozo Marine Stadium

Melbourne - AAMI Park

Mexico City - For Sol

São Paulo - Morumbi

Johannesburg - FNB Stadium

[Florian 19,982]

48 minutes ago, FrankGutz said:

She did better with sales in countries like Mexico, Brazil than some Europe countries like France, dont come up with the bs of demand, smh

France has a really special music market and her numbers aren't that bad compared to her international peers.

But most importantly, the demand isn't about singles and albums but about who would buy a ticket for a show (ofc those two are still linked to a certain extent). Unfortunatelly not every countries have a strong enough economy and spending power to sell out an arena or two. And even with "weak sales" people from countries like France will still easily spend money for entertainment.  

[Florian 19,982]

5 minutes ago, KING said:

I agree with many of the comments about the ticket and album sales. However I also agree she should atleast explore more parts of world. I’m not saying she needs to pull another BTWB and do 10-20 dates in a continent unless the demand is that high  but maybe for her future tours she could do 1-2 shows in popular locations to show she still tours there.

Example: 1 show per tour 

Seoul - Olympic Stadium

Chiba - Zozo Marine Stadium

Melbourne - AAMI Park

Mexico City - For Sol

São Paulo - Morumbi

Johannesburg - FNB Stadium

And she'd need to travel the stage everywhere for only 1 or 2 show. That would be wayyyyyy to expensive to make the show profitable  

The point of having shows close to each other is to compensate the price of the travelling. I mean you need many planes to transport the stage to Australia or South Africa.

[giskardsb 12,565]

8 minutes ago, KING said:

I agree with many of the comments about the ticket and album sales. However I also agree she should atleast explore more parts of world. I’m not saying she needs to pull another BTWB and do 10-20 dates in a continent unless the demand is that high  but maybe for her future tours she could do 1-2 shows in popular locations to show she still tours there.

Example: 1 show per tour 

Seoul - Olympic Stadium

Chiba - Zozo Marine Stadium

Melbourne - AAMI Park

Mexico City - For Sol

São Paulo - Morumbi

Johannesburg - FNB Stadium

the problem is the cost of shipping the stages is probably not financially viable for only a single show in a geographic area.  

[NovaArt 882]

5 hours ago, Fascination said:

Isn't it ironic that most people who aren't actually affected by her not coming to these countries are low key bashing me for making this topic? Like, y'all could also be respectful towards the latin / asian fans who aren't able to see Gaga live for more than seven years while we hunties are able to see her, and even Gaga performing like, three times in the same city in the US?  

I'm Argentinian  but I understand that this is not Gaga's fault, it's just business.

[Ken Potus 37]

8 hours ago, Fascination said:

I think it's just plain disrespectful what they did to Brazil. Not saying ANYTHING for months already while saying you will come back. Like, when? 2047? 

Unfortunately, it is very expensive to put on tours and it is very unlikely she will do one just for Brazil even if she wanted to.  She might make a solo appearance in a major festival though so perhaps there may be some hope there.

[FGGrayson 9,670]

3 hours ago, Leeo said:

 

Gaga likes on facebook:

http://www.rdtladygaga.com/2017/11/gaga-facts-os-10-paises-onde-lady-gaga-tem-mais-fas-no-facebook

 

1. USA - ~12kk 23%

2. Mexico - ~3,5kk 7,3%

3. Indonesia - ~3kk 5,7%

4. UK - ~2,5kk 5%

5. India - ~2,5kk 5%

6. Brazil - ~2,5kk 5%

7. Philipines - ~2kk 4%

8. France - ~ 1,5kk 3%

9. Italy - ~ 1,5kk 3%

10. Argentina - ~1,5kk 2%

South America + Asia are more than a half of her top10 with 4 countries from North America + Europe

"demand" yeah...

 

 

clock ha

2 hours ago, Florian said:

France has a really special music market and her numbers aren't that bad compared to her international peers.

But most importantly, the demand isn't about singles and albums but about who would buy a ticket for a show (ofc those two are still linked to a certain extent). Unfortunatelly not every countries have a strong enough economy and spending power to sell out an arena or two. And even with "weak sales" people from countries like France will still easily spend money for entertainment.  

then why are artists like BRUNO MARS pulling dates in feb this year? In 2017 Bieber brought the Purpose tour to mex, in 2017 also came know artists like Metallica, Placebo (4 dates), Bjork, Sigur Ros, Spoon, Foster the People,  i have friends that went to sold out tickets for artists like RHCP, Morrissey, etc... she just doesnt wanna come, Mexico is so big and ppl do have money to pay for concerts, either is metal, pop, rock, LA and Mexico doesnt listen only reggaeton, not you but some ppl acting like we only hear reggaeton is bs

[LordEnigma 11,313]

You guys - move on.