StrawberryBlond 14,774 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Brainiac said: I'm sure a lot of that has to do with all the white male Trump supporters that he pissed off with that freestyle. He knew he was going to alienate a large part of his fanbase with that. It's for the best though. Weed out the deplorables. 2 hours ago, Edonis said: Not surprised, all of the white frat bro guys who used to listen to his music and voted for Trump probably left him after that freestyle. It’s not surprising at all. 1 hour ago, ALGAYDO said: I feel like the chunk of his fans that are racists who wanted to listen to Rap, but obviously not by POC, left him after his Trump diss. Therefore, a chunk of his success when with them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ What are you talking about? A whole lot of Eminem fans were against Trump, myself included. It's not because of the freestyle, it's because he's 45 and been around so long (21 years) that a downfall is inevitable by this point. The Marshall Mathers LP2 didn't sell like his old albums either and that was in 2013, sure it was one of his better sellers but not on the level of his earlier work. I mean, hello, album sales are at rock bottom across the board right now. The only artist who got mammoth sales recently was Adele, then Ed, Taylor and Beyonce but that's it. Everyone else is struggling like hell. A rapper of Eminem's age and time in the industry was sure to be a casualty of this, anti-Trump or not. Jay-Z's 48 and his album sold badly after his last release in 2013 also. When rappers get older, they lose their cool factor, they don't appeal to the youth market, which has always been the core age demographic with the genre. That, added in to years out the limelight and you'll never sell like you used to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALGAYDO 32,101 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Just now, StrawberryBlond said: What are you talking about? A whole lot of Eminem fans were against Trump, myself included. It's not because of the freestyle, it's because he's 45 and been around so long (21 years) that a downfall is inevitable by this point. The Marshall Mathers LP2 didn't sell like his old albums either and that was in 2013, sure it was one of his better sellers but not on the level of his earlier work. I mean, hello, album sales are at rock bottom across the board right now. The only artist who got mammoth sales recently was Adele, then Ed, Taylor and Beyonce but that's it. Everyone else is struggling like hell. A rapper of Eminem's age and time in the industry was sure to be a casualty of this, anti-Trump or not. Jay-Z's 48 and his album sold badly after his last release in 2013 also. When rappers get older, they lose their cool factor, they don't appeal to the youth market, which has always been the core age demographic with the genre. That, added in to years out the limelight and you'll never sell like you used to. I’m not denying what you said because that’s true, but you gotta admit the Trump thing had an impact too. Many of his fans were dragging him after he released that freestyle. I would know because my best friend is one of his biggest fans, he’s like her Gaga, and she tells me about his life all the time He got a ton of praise but also a ton of hate for that freestyle, even within his fanbase. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopTwo 288 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: What are you talking about? A whole lot of Eminem fans were against Trump, myself included. It's not because of the freestyle, it's because he's 45 and been around so long (21 years) that a downfall is inevitable by this point. The Marshall Mathers LP2 didn't sell like his old albums either and that was in 2013, sure it was one of his better sellers but not on the level of his earlier work. I mean, hello, album sales are at rock bottom across the board right now. The only artist who got mammoth sales recently was Adele, then Ed, Taylor and Beyonce but that's it. Everyone else is struggling like hell. A rapper of Eminem's age and time in the industry was sure to be a casualty of this, anti-Trump or not. Jay-Z's 48 and his album sold badly after his last release in 2013 also. When rappers get older, they lose their cool factor, they don't appeal to the youth market, which has always been the core age demographic with the genre. That, added in to years out the limelight and you'll never sell like you used to. I agree with what you said but Jay Z's album certified platinum in the first week or so. But I agree with the fact that a lot of Eminem fans were against Trump and the freestyle itself was fairly big too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,774 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 8 minutes ago, ALGAYDO said: I’m not denying what you said because that’s true, but you gotta admit the Trump thing had an impact too. Many of his fans were dragging him after he released that freestyle. I would know because my best friend is one of his biggest fans, he’s like her Gaga, and she tells me about his life all the time He got a ton of praise but also a ton of hate for that freestyle, even within his fanbase. He did have a polarised reception, yes, but I thought the overall verdict was more good than bad. It's not like you can buy the rap, it's not on an album, so it would be easier to let slide. Sure, it would put me off if one of my faves started saying political stuff I didn't agree with but if they had a new album coming out, of course I'd still check it out. Though the album cover sends a strong message that there's going to be anti-Trump stuff on it, so that's still a good point. At the end of the day, a lot of rap fans are loyal as the day is long. Lots of rap singles that don't do well in the charts still result in a #1 album with good sales, it's just how the genre works. It's still early days yet. Katy Perry was pro-Hillary when she released her album and she did much worse than these projected sales so far and she's got a mostly female and gay male fanbase (who are also big Hillary supporters), so you know, there's no telling which way the crowd's going to go. 5 minutes ago, LukeIsGaga said: I agree with what you said but Jay Z's album certified platinum in the first week or so. But I agree with the fact that a lot of Eminem fans were against Trump and the freestyle itself was fairly big too. Those sales were faked, though. Everything that comes out of Tidal is suspicious. There is no way he certified platinum in a week, it flopped worldwide, the videos didn't get a lot of views and was forgotten about after a week, hence why so many people are accusing him of buying Grammy nominations. Tidal has cheated sales for their artists from the beginning, I don't believe a word of these certifications. Of course the head of the company would get amazing sales, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopTwo 288 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Just now, StrawberryBlond said: Those sales were faked, though. Everything that comes out of Tidal is suspicious. There is no way he certified platinum in a week, it flopped worldwide, the videos didn't get a lot of views and was forgotten about after a week, hence why so many people are accusing him of buying Grammy nominations. Tidal has cheated sales for their artists from the beginning, I don't believe a word of these certifications. Of course the head of the company would get amazing sales, right? Well, there's no lie there because Tidal sales are suspicious. I noticed that after they said Kanye's album has been streamed like 600 million times on Tidal alone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edonis 28,950 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 20 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said: What are you talking about? A whole lot of Eminem fans were against Trump, myself included. Did I say in my original post that his fans were only Trump supporters? No. All I said is that he had some fans that were Trump supporters and they refused to listen to or buy his music, which is very apparent among Southern white males who are fans of his (and where I live in the U.S.) That's all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,774 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Edonis said: Did I say in my original post that his fans were only Trump supporters? No. All I said is that he had some fans that were Trump supporters and they refused to listen to or buy his music, which is very apparent among Southern white males who are fans of his (and where I live in the U.S.) That's all. I'm merely questioning the assumption that because he's a white male, he must automatically have a lot of white Trump supporters, which is all a bit presumptuous. I'm a white female, by the way. He has a lot of white female fans to fall back on as well and female fans are super loyal and I don't think they're as swayed by political affiliation like men are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr S 8,672 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 You could blame the freestlye, but he also didn't have a hit song. Did anyone even know he had an album out? Still is's shocking how he sold more or less what Gaga sold (granted its a year later) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edonis 28,950 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: I'm merely questioning the assumption that because he's a white male, he must automatically have a lot of white Trump supporters, which is all a bit presumptuous. I'm a white female, by the way. He has a lot of white female fans to fall back on as well and female fans are super loyal and I don't think they're as swayed by political affiliation like men are. There's no assumption in my post. He had fans who were Trump supporters who were upset with his anti-Trump freestyle and expressed their opinions about it on social media. I never mentioned them being the majority or bulk of his fan base. Neither did I mention whether or not he had female fans. Nothing I mentioned in my original post pertains to anything you wrote. Stop looking for arguments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
androiduser 7,438 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 On 12/16/2017 at 8:03 PM, Bad Monster Kid said: The downgrade. I’m sure the media won’t tear him apart on the decline from last album because he’s a male. they won't and they shouldn't because he's had a career decades long, and he's not declining with his second or third album Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIghtmareElm 2,606 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 The lead single (which turned into a promo single) was a flop even with Beyonce. The album had no spark and hardly had any hype. Judging from the singles I've listened to, they are way too pop. The only two rappers that perfect that rap/pop style is Kanye and Drake. Eminem just comes off as desperate and unnatural when he tries to put out that pop sound. This is extremely low for what's supposed to be his last album. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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