Beyoncé has writing credits for Perfect Duet

[Borislshere 53,080]

I love how y’all are running to the good sis Linda Perry now but last year, y’all wanted her burned at the stake.

[KingRedd 3,139]

All the shade... Meanwhile Gaga does the same thing but yeah let’s no speak on that .

thats a shade that can be casted in both directions.

[Mr S 8,672]

7 hours ago, Gay said:

Haters are so dumb here. She changed the melodies. People here think that only lyrics are part of songwriting 

Minor changes to an already written melody isn't any better than minor changes to already written lyrics.

Whitney Houston should have writing credits on all her songs lol.

She deserves to get paid if she is adamant about having her name on the credit for the small change she did. But she is not a songwriter and should not be credited for songwriting awards. Thankfully the Oscars are strict with that. The Grammys not so much.

[Gay 1,370]

17 minutes ago, GrigioGirl1 said:

Minor changes to an already written melody isn't any better than minor changes to already written lyrics.

Whitney Houston should have writing credits on all her songs lol.

She deserves to get paid if she is adamant about having her name on the credit for the small change she did. But she is not a songwriter and should not be credited for songwriting awards. Thankfully the Oscars are strict with that. The Grammys not so much.

hmm sis the changes in melody are pretty significant i'd say

idk why whitney didn't get credit for all her songs cause i wasn't there so i can't comment on that but bey wanting and getting her credit is perfectly legal and fine. some people just want their credit lol i ain't mad about it 

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1 hour ago, KingRedd said:

All the shade... Meanwhile Gaga does the same thing but yeah let’s no speak on that .

thats a shade that can be casted in both directions.

Well, let's talk about it.

Gaga has written most of her discography (Let's say 90% of it), with minor contribution from her collaborators/producers. The songs we know the biggest part was written by someone else were Til It Happens To You (Hey Linda Perry) and Come To Mama. Beyond that, we don't really know (Paparazzi for example, but she still has the main credit).

But Beyoncé has done this for most of her songs. It's like she adds some minor part, and automatically she becomes a co-writer for it. Even Ne-Yo spoke about this when she claimed she wrote Irreplaceable. 

So no, it's not the same case.

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3 hours ago, MarlonBrando7 said:

Linda in fact said that Beyonce doesn't write nothing and that she only gets credits cause she's popular , i agree with the part that a  song can be good been selfwriten or not  but my point is that beyonce has given people reasons to doubt her autenticity.....

https://www.themaven.net/allhiphop/news/linda-perry-says-beyonce-takes-credit-for-songs-she-didn-t-write-because-she-s-beyonce-L7j1qO0vrEK0Akzc0ecSXA

http://news.radio.com/2014/07/21/linda-perry-beyonce-songwriting-criticism-reddit/

she's like "the songwritting police"  , Adam Levine is shaking 

sorry if i have spelling problems  cause i don't speak english  

Linda perrys word is not fact as she hasn't worked with Beyoncé and just going off speculations or rumor but the fact is in the video of Anthony dent I posted where he said he only did the track for survivor and beyonce wrote the lyric and beyonce won ascap and her first Grammy as a songwriter for writing independent woman, jumping and one other song.

 To conclude  beyonce has never written any song based on Linda's word is hypocritical as a Gaga fan.

[Diamond Heart 4,400]

Beyonce has done this quite a lot. 
I remember she got a writing credit for a xmas cover song she did.

[Janet 1,417]

Why are y'all so desperate to tear down Beyonce? With the matter of whether she wrote it or not, why does it effect you? Either way, she is heavily involved in her projects and does act as Executive Producer, and is indeed wildly successful. So I ask again, why you so twisted over it? 

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11 minutes ago, Janet said:

Why are y'all so desperate to tear down Beyonce? With the matter of whether she wrote it or not, why does it effect you? Either way, she is heavily involved in her projects and does act as Executive Producer, and is indeed wildly successful. So I ask again, why you so twisted over it? 

This! It's so gross to see LMs here continue to bring her down in every post about her. 

[KingRedd 3,139]

11 hours ago, sipthistea said:

Well, let's talk about it.

Gaga has written most of her discography (Let's say 90% of it), with minor contribution from her collaborators/producers. The songs we know the biggest part was written by someone else were Til It Happens To You (Hey Linda Perry) and Come To Mama. Beyond that, we don't really know (Paparazzi for example, but she still has the main credit).

But Beyoncé has done this for most of her songs. It's like she adds some minor part, and automatically she becomes a co-writer for it. Even Ne-Yo spoke about this when she claimed she wrote Irreplaceable. 

So no, it's not the same case.

Let’s take a seat and ponder these major facts that everyone here seems to try and make up in their own minds. 

FACT: None of us are in the studio or planning session with Beyoncé, Gaga, or any other artist. 

FACT: None of us know how much Beyoncé, Gaga or any other artist contributes to a song. 

Opinion: “Beyoncé adds a word” “Beyoncé adds easy harmony”

FACT: None of you have created a song or anything at that point that comes close to what Beyoncé has done and can do. Gaga included. 

So let’s let the artists be artists and just enjoy the music instead of throwing TIRED shade in every thread that mentions Beyoncé and attempting to be educated music specialists, engineers, or composers. 

 Cool? Cool 

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Plagiaroncé needs to take a seat

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21 hours ago, Uncle ARTPOP said:

It's probably for composition, she does harmonize and play with the melody so I'd say it's for composition not lyrics (composition and melody is probably as important if not more than lyrics)

You hit the nail on the head ! Ed even commented in a radio interview that she brought a lot of production / composition changes by making it more stripped down. 

But another note is that if any artist wants to work with Bey she automatically gets a writing credit because she's that BITCH 

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15 hours ago, KingRedd said:

All the shade... Meanwhile Gaga does the same thing but yeah let’s no speak on that .

thats a shade that can be casted in both directions.

When did Gaga jump on a remix of a popular song and got a writing credit for changing the melody?

[JDi 1,495]

3 hours ago, KingRedd said:

Let’s take a seat and ponder these major facts that everyone here seems to try and make up in their own minds. 

FACT: None of us are in the studio or planning session with Beyoncé, Gaga, or any other artist. 

FACT: None of us know how much Beyoncé, Gaga or any other artist contributes to a song.

FACT: None of you have created a song or anything at that point that comes close to what Beyoncé has done and can do. Gaga included. 

So let’s let the artists be artists and just enjoy the music instead of throwing TIRED shade in every thread that mentions Beyoncé and attempting to be educated music specialists, engineers, or composers. 

 Cool? Cool 

lmao

perfection is a disease of a nation I guess 

J. Tillman is one of the many writers/producers who have confirmed the popular perception you dismissed as an opinion by saying that working with Beyoncé was everything he expected from writing for a pop star (a writing camp) and working with Gaga was a natural process and they were jammin'. not to mention everyone who has worked with Gaga says she's the real deal and it's telling enough that even though everyone has pressure-praised Beyoncé to the heavens, no one has dared to say she's a real musician/writer. not even her collection of Grammy's is enough to make such comments sound credible.

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I've made my feelings on "adding vocal changes to a song counts as songwriting" very clear multiple times. I do not regard it as such, particularly in the case, when the song's already been completed and released. And been a huge success in its original form for months. Beyonce just changed certain words to suit herself and to make it into lines that sounded like they were made for a woman. And the changes she made could not be considered songwriting. Any idiot could make those changes that she did. And as for harmonising, barely a difference. If she got a production credit for that, that's one thing. But songwriting, no way. Ed probably just gave her credit to keep in her good graces. The whole thing reminds me of the You Must Love Me song, the one written by Andrew Lloyd Webber and Tim Rice for Evita. As the makers were hoping for an Oscar and the rules stated that the song must be original, it was made specially for Madonna by them. Madonna recieved the song and sent it back with some revisions. Andrew and Tim were apparently hugely offended and told her that she had to accept the song in its original conception or they wouldn't give her the song at all. She decided to accept the original without her on the credits. The song later got nominated for an Oscar and won. I think that tells you that being an opportunist and weasling your way in will ensure that karma will come for you.

If I really want to play devil's advocate, I could say the same for Gaga with TIHTY, if Linda's claims were correct and Gaga just added in some vocal changes but got songwriting credit, which resulted in an Oscar nomination for her. At the time, I was mad that she lost but over time, I've actually decided that it was for the best as she likely would have been dragged over the hot coals once the full truth came out. I'd rather that she won an Oscar for a properly original song with her full input in future so here's hoping ASIB might be her time. As for Beyonce, I really hope this duet version doesn't get Grammy nominations further down the line with her on it. I believe the Grammys can include remixes.

22 hours ago, Harry said:

I think people are still blindly ignorant to how writing credits work just so that they can make the same jokes.

No one is claiming that she created the damn song  No one is expecting or trying to make anyone believe that she wrote a verse or anything like that. But her harmonies definitely count as additional composition, and I guess some people are saying her melody is different too? I don't know the song well enough to say.

It's well known that Bey handles her own vocal production which includes arranging harmonies - which isn't easy. Yes, we know she didn't write any lyrics. I don't see why anyone is amazed by this or finds it funny lol.

I get your point but if harmonising can really count towards the creation of a song, then what do you have to say about all these X Factor contestants over the years who have done never-heard-before versions of other artist's songs? Can they claim songwriting credit? Can any indie act who makes new versions of existing songs when performing in a bar claim songwriting credit? This to me, is why it can't possibly be viewed as a legit form of credit. As I said above, the vocal change is barely there. Most women who would sing this song would sing it exactly like Beyonce. How else are you supposed to sing it? Adding a diva touch doesn't count towards song creation and is just shameless opportunism.