Grammys Admits Of Changing Ways After Last Year's Mess

[FRANZGA 13,920]

if this'll continue I tell you, Gaga's chances to winning in general field is now slimmer.. unless she'll pull a multiplatinum album with 90+ MC Score

[Borislshere 53,080]

6 minutes ago, FRANZGA said:

there's this BLACK PREVILEGE existing nowadays

What? 

[FRANZGA 13,920]

9 minutes ago, FRANZGA said:

wow SIS, go OFF..

there's this BLACK PREVILEGE existing nowadays tbh.. like I read it on twitter, atrl.. something like "I love Melodrama/24k more than DAMN but I want Kendrick to win for the CULTURE"

like it's becoming an additional point or something?? 

for example.

3 minutes ago, Borislshere said:

What? 

 

[Borislshere 53,080]

3 minutes ago, FRANZGA said:

for example.

 

Quoting me with what I already read isn’t doing much. That’s not black privilege considering these artists aren’t winning anything by being black. The example you gave is just someone wanting “diversity”. 

[FRANZGA 13,920]

10 minutes ago, Borislshere said:

Quoting me with what I already read isn’t doing much. That’s not black privilege considering these artists aren’t winning anything by being black. The example you gave is just someone wanting “diversity”. 

okay maybe PREVILEGE isn't the correct word.

so we must focus on having a diversified results rather than focusing on QUALITY..

I'm okay with QUALITY first, cause that's how Grammys must be awarded.. but Despacito being nominated for SOTY and them actually happy that they've got diversified results is actually TRANSPARENT of what they're aiming for..

I'm okay of them diversifying their VOTERS and maybe the blue ribbon panel as well.. and I'm okay if those are really the BEST among the BEST in their honest OPINION. but Despacito as SOTY 

[Sepsami 18,897]

About time they apologised for snubbing Gaga like that, so obviously she'll win both her noms this time around  

[Mr S 8,672]

1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

No, it's not that at all. The problem is that the Grammys, in the major categories, have always been about mainstream success, let's not mess about. A big part of the system is going through all the albums and then selecting ...

I'll make it a bit more readable so I won't quote the entire post.

I definitely agree with a lot of your points (previously and in this post)

I never agreed that the Grammys were racist in the first place. I just think they had a preference for "musician driven" music. Most of today's "urban" music is full of sampling, made by computerized beats, can't play any instruments, have tons of writing credits etc. That's why Beck and Adele are able to beat Beyonce. Beyonce has talent, but her musicianship isn't on the level of those two. Hell even Taylor Swift is ahead of her. It's why a black Stevie Wonder won AOTY 2 (or is it 3?) times in one decade. Kendrick Lamar put out a great album, if you read the lyrics, if listen to him rap. But I think it's hard from a musician point of view to really judge it musically. How you look at the song structure, melody etc. So i think rappers will have it tough in the general field which are voted by the entire industry. A white Eminem has the same issue. Dance music has the same problem as it typically consist of computerized beats, sampling etc. Dance music has been just as unsuccessful in AOTY, even when it was huge in the mid/late 2000s. Daft Punk is the lone winner because that album used more live instrumentation. 

I agree that black artist have an easier time with critics. Probably because it's cool to like urban music. However I don't agree that There are white artists who are on the same level of obscurity as some black rappers nominated, yet they don't get nominations. Jay'z album flopped but his nomination is kind of similar to Beck in that it was critically acclaimed and he's a veteran/legend. Childish Gambino is probably obscure. In the past there two decades there has been D-Angelo, Frank Ocean. But there has also been Bon Iver, Arcade Fire, The Black Keys. I'd say white/rock/alternative have always done better at getting nominations without commercial success. I don't think whites have to "do more" to get nominated. I think they've done well. I do they think they have to "do more" for critic reviews though. I remember seeing Jay-Z live and then reading the concert review the next day. I couldn't understand how he got a perfect review. Literally all he did was rap (he did rap well though). While Gaga dances, plays multiple instruments, sings well, reinvents a song live, etc. I just don't get it. Jay-z is cooler though...

As for Only blacks wanting diversification and what about Asians? While that's true a lot, I think in this context of the Grammys I see where they are coming from. Black music has been so successful, especially in the early 2000s when R&B was so popular, and today when hip hop is so popular. So I see why black people to want to see their music being represented more as oppose to Asian singers for example. I do agree that it IS being represented well. nominations are always more like 60-40 white to black which I think is fair. Last year Chance the Rapper won Best New Artist while everyone ignored it and talking about Beyonce losing.

The funny thing is, I said it before, but if Bruno Mars wins AOTY we all know certain people still won't be happy. He is a person of color winning with an R&B album...

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On 11/28/2017 at 1:05 PM, FrankGutz said:

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THIS! 

[StrawberryBlond 14,870]

2 hours ago, Darrel said:

lol.

Stay mad. 

Nothing to say in response? That tells me all I need to know.

2 hours ago, Borislshere said:

This thread is a pure mess. Imagine actually thinking these super talented artist only got their nominations cause their Black. I guess gaga only got her Grammys cause she was white. Not talent related at all. 

Because I don't think they're all super talented, that's why. Either the critics who gave them good reviews were paid or have terrible white guilt. I was listening to Redbone for the first time today  to see why it got nominated - could barely understand each word, the diction was so terrible. I thought the chorus was pretty good, though, purely from the beat and aesthetics despite not understanding what was said. I thought it started with "cos they won't, neighbours screaming." What an odd lyric, I thought. Then I looked up a lyric video so decipher what was being said. It was actually " just stay woke, n****s creeping." And reading it all, I was thinking: "Oh, right, this song isn't for me after all." This is the kinda song that is getting wide praise today - pretentious lyrics, race-baiting lyrics, nonsensical lyrics and awful diction. If I, a non-racist person, can't get behind this, I don't see why a supposedly racist critic can. I think music should encapsulate everyone, not try to divide based on race. If you want to make statements about race, don't do it in an isolating manner. I wouldn't make a whole album about being a woman, for example, as that would alienate my male fans. Music should give everyone the feeling of "this is for me" regardless of whatever the content is about. But so much rap from black artists is so alienating to whites today that there's just no relatability there. If critics are so racist, why are they nominating this?

2 hours ago, FRANZGA said:

wow SIS, go OFF..

there's this BLACK PREVILEGE existing nowadays tbh.. like I read it on twitter, atrl.. something like "I love Melodrama/24k more than DAMN but I want Kendrick to win for the CULTURE"

like it's becoming an additional point or something?? 

Tell me about it. Especially for black males. They get praised as the next coming. Black artists now are allowed to release contemporary, avant garde albums outside the status quo and they have no problem releasing it, even without a hit single preceding it. Whites, on the other hand, are struggling to get an album released if they can't get a hit and are encouraged to be generic. No wonder the reviews for blacks are so much better - music tends to be better when it comes from an artist's heart and isn't the vision of a money-grabbing label.

1 hour ago, GrigioGirl1 said:

I'll make it a bit more readable so I won't quote the entire post.

I definitely agree with a lot of your points (previously and in this post)

I never agreed that the Grammys were racist in the first place. I just think they had a preference for "musician driven" music. Most of today's "urban" music is full of sampling, made by computerized beats, can't play any instruments, have tons of writing credits etc. That's why Beck and Adele are able to beat Beyonce. Beyonce has talent, but her musicianship isn't on the level of those two. Hell even Taylor Swift is ahead of her. It's why a black Stevie Wonder won AOTY 2 (or is it 3?) times in one decade. Kendrick Lamar put out a great album, if you read the lyrics, if listen to him rap. But I think it's hard from a musician point of view to really judge it musically. How you look at the song structure, melody etc. So i think rappers will have it tough in the general field which are voted by the entire industry. A white Eminem has the same issue. Dance music has the same problem as it typically consist of computerized beats, sampling etc. Dance music has been just as unsuccessful in AOTY, even when it was huge in the mid/late 2000s. Daft Punk is the lone winner because that album used more live instrumentation. 

I agree that black artist have an easier time with critics. Probably because it's cool to like urban music. However I don't agree that There are white artists who are on the same level of obscurity as some black rappers nominated, yet they don't get nominations. Jay'z album flopped but his nomination is kind of similar to Beck in that it was critically acclaimed and he's a veteran/legend. Childish Gambino is probably obscure. In the past there two decades there has been D-Angelo, Frank Ocean. But there has also been Bon Iver, Arcade Fire, The Black Keys. I'd say white/rock/alternative have always done better at getting nominations without commercial success. I don't think whites have to "do more" to get nominated. I think they've done well. I do they think they have to "do more" for critic reviews though. I remember seeing Jay-Z live and then reading the concert review the next day. I couldn't understand how he got a perfect review. Literally all he did was rap (he did rap well though). While Gaga dances, plays multiple instruments, sings well, reinvents a song live, etc. I just don't get it. Jay-z is cooler though...

As for Only blacks wanting diversification and what about Asians? While that's true a lot, I think in this context of the Grammys I see where they are coming from. Black music has been so successful, especially in the early 2000s when R&B was so popular, and today when hip hop is so popular. So I see why black people to want to see their music being represented more as oppose to Asian singers for example. I do agree that it IS being represented well. nominations are always more like 60-40 white to black which I think is fair. Last year Chance the Rapper won Best New Artist while everyone ignored it and talking about Beyonce losing.

The funny thing is, I said it before, but if Bruno Mars wins AOTY we all know certain people still won't be happy. He is a person of color winning with an R&B album...

Agree with a lot of this. The academy definitely values musicianship, explaining why albums that are written and produced by the singer tend to win. They know Beyonce gets a team of people to do the majority of the work, so it has less gravitas as a body of work made by her.

Well, it's extremely rare that I see a white artist nominated who I've never heard of but extremely common to see black artist nominations that I've never heard of. And this is from someone who reviews albums. But yeah, white artists seem to have to do more to get good reviews. A lot of them are bending over backwards and can't get there. Particularly if they're white women. I've said before that the industry doesn't like white women who know their own minds. Music history supports this theory.

The lack of nominations by non-Americans is shocking but never gets addressed. There are good black artists from Britain who never get a look in. Don't hear a peep out of black Americans about the injustice of that, though.

Why wouldn't people be happy? Isn't your description what they want?

[Borislshere 53,080]

2 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Because I don't think they're all super talented, that's why. Either the critics who gave them good reviews were paid or have terrible white guilt. I was listening to Redbone for the first time today  to see why it got nominated - could barely understand each word, the diction was so terrible. I thought the chorus was pretty good, though, purely from the beat and aesthetics despite not understanding what was said. I thought it started with "cos they won't, neighbours screaming." What an odd lyric, I thought. Then I looked up a lyric video so decipher what was being said. It was actually " just stay woke, n****s creeping." And reading it all, I was thinking: "Oh, right, this song isn't for me after all." This is the kinda song that is getting wide praise today - pretentious lyrics, race-baiting lyrics, nonsensical lyrics and awful diction. If I, a non-racist person, can't get behind this, I don't see why a supposedly racist critic can. I think music should encapsulate everyone, not try to divide based on race. If you want to make statements about race, don't do it in an isolating manner. I wouldn't make a whole album about being a woman, for example, as that would alienate my male fans. Music should give everyone the feeling of "this is for me" regardless of whatever the content is about. But so much rap from black artists is so alienating to whites today that there's just no relatability there. If critics are so racist, why are they nominating this?

2 hours ago, FRANZGA said:

I’m so sorry you feel that way ! 

[StrawberryBlond 14,870]

9 minutes ago, Borislshere said:

I’m so sorry you feel that way ! 

Nice patronising there.

[Mr S 8,672]

13 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

 

Why wouldn't people be happy? Isn't your description what they want?

Because they specifically want a african american rapper to win.

[StrawberryBlond 14,870]

1 minute ago, GrigioGirl1 said:

Because they specifically want a african american rapper to win.

Oh, right. Elitism at its finest. Pity, as Bruno wait through racism in the industry in his early days. Some people even thought he was Hispanic because of his surname being Hernandez.

[Mr S 8,672]

Just now, StrawberryBlond said:

Oh, right. Elitism at its finest. Pity, as Bruno wait through racism in the industry in his early days. Some people even thought he was Hispanic because of his surname being Hernandez.

I've even read some people say "of course Bruno will win he's the safest, most whitest album"

[phantasmas 10,581]

yall are a mess 

the Recording Academy has been becoming more diverse every year by bringing in diverse members, opening categories, and making voting more accessible to its members

yall will continue to see blacks and poc be nominated whether u like it or not, whether u think they deserve it or not, and you will just have to deal 

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/grammys/8053708/grammy-nominations-2018-recording-academy-neil-portnow-surprises-diversity