Chris Rock made sexual assault jokes

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2 hours ago, JDi said:

oh how I hate repeating myself. I said that I blame the victims who knew they weren't alone which is most of them, if not all. it was an open secret. many famous actors knew about the McGowan settlement. that's one of the reasons she never really "settled". fearing backlash doesn't make sense here. 
 

I know this but I will have to yet again remind you that we were talking about the recent Hollywood cases that triggered Chris Rock's comments. fame and notoriety are in the picture. it's not the same as workplace harassment or date rape or whatever. that's one reason Rock's comments are distasteful. and not because it's utterly wrong to make them at all but because he was referencing his personal experience and essentially venting in a time when people expect either a quality statement or silence.

I don't have to look into anything, it's common sense. it probably took a minute sometime in my early teens to consider all kinds of scenarios and the pressure a woman could go through in a situation like this. how exactly can I prove my empathy? by not putting any blame to any victim, or should I say accuser, ever? I'm sorry but maybe it's you that needs to take some things into consideration to avoid sounding sexist. 

still, I said that what's happening is great in my first comment. every reaction. even the prejudice and the sexism and Rock's unfunny jokes. it's great because it alerts men who thought they are getting away with this kind of stuff precisely because of the perception that at least some of the accusers are really just whores or more than just whores. predators are reminded to doubt and fear the prey they thought they knew all about. that's why I think that putting light on this "disgusting" aspect of reality gives women invisible power and I suggest you acknowledge its relevance.

 

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...or, you know, continue narrating the apathetically empathic madness of repetition.
 

 

 

But you're glossing over why the victims stayed silent even though they knew they weren't the only ones - the business and society in general, doesn't trust women. That's why it usually takes a man to clarify that something happened before a woman's account starts to be taken seriously. You can have 10 women calling a guy a perv and nothing gets done but then one man says he's a perv and suddenly we start thinking that the women are telling the truth after all. I notice you don't mention the actors who these women confided in who kept their mouths shut as well. Even men didn't want to speak up just in case they weren't believed and their career could have been ruined. As men, these actors could have used their position of respect to tell the world the truth, but no, they let their female colleagues suffer because they were protecting their own asses.

Oh, yes, it's on exactly the same level as workplace harassment and date rape. For actresses, Hollywood is their workplace and yes, date rape can occur in this workplace as well. Being rich and famous doesn't mean these women were somehow not hurt as much as normal women.

What's common sense? You don't say. It just sounds as if you're saying that you don't believer any accuser. And for your information, I'm not the standard feminist that you like to think I am. I don't support every woman, I think men can be victims of sexism as well, I want equal rights, not better rights. I only disbelieve a woman when I've got very good reason to. When I've endured men being mean to me behind the scenes with no other witnesses, I've made it my duty to believe every woman unless proven otherwise. You have no idea about the amount of hurt a lot of women are hiding. This expose has made so many women open up about stuff they've kept quiet. It may seem like a bandwagon but it's just that women have had enough and now feel like they're in a position to be believed.

So, what you're saying is that these predators can now be discouraged from doing it because of the fear that some women are just looking to falsely accuse them afterwards in order to get power over them? If that's the case, you're looking at this all the wrong way. Most women are innocent in these cases, most women do not put themselves forward voluntarily or want to do this stuff. They're exploited and forced. Why are you approaching this from the angle that most women are the evil ones? It's the exact opposite in Hollywood. And you've really got to stop using the word "*****." Use that for homewreckers and women who break hearts for fun, not women who've given in to a sleazy guy's request because she felt she had no choice and was operating on autopilot.

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