Chris Rock made sexual assault jokes

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27 minutes ago, Easy said:

 

I think this system (at least in where I live) is crazy. Sexual harassment laws are in favour of female meanwhile male are not protected enough. 

Dont come at me I think the joke he made has no class at all, just wanted to say Sth concerning the issue. 

Coming at you hard. No where in the world do the courts favour the females. How can you even say such false atrocities?

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1 minute ago, Interstellar said:

Coming at you hard. No where in the world do the courts favour the females. How can you even say such false atrocities?

Eng isn’t my first language so maybe I didn’t fully express what I wanted to say. I meant male victims are not protected. Not that laws are in favour of females. It’s pretty much not illegal to sexually harass a male  the part I said the law is unfair and the case my friend’s brother encountered are mutually exclusive.

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17 minutes ago, Runway said:

The system protects men in power positions which is why people like Weinstein and Spacey were free to operate during decades, wyd??

the system didn't protect Weinstein. interests did. stop playing dumb. tons of people knew, tons of MEN knew... did you miss that part? he wouldn't have stood a chance with this many accusations... not even a century ago.

what is happening is great and things will hopefully change precisely because it was the victims' fault. yes I said it. it would make sense to not risk being looked at as a liar bitch only if it wasn't an open secret. now, every time there's rumors someone will come forward and ruin it for both the predator and the whores among the prey.

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I mean, you may be an a**hole and really think all those things, but given the state of things now... Wouldn't it be better for you to just shut up? I mean, you know the s***storm you'll receive saying that things 

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Kind of truth... there's a lot of people without any ethics who accuse people of rape and it wasn't truth. I don't understand why nobody question this people, some woman cries "rape" and EVERYBODY believes her even if there's any proof and she's suspicious.

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he's a swine,ew

[StrawberryBlond 15,083]

It depends on how he phrased the jokes. A good comedian can make anything funny. But if it's handled wrong, a la James Cordon recently, oh boy, does it sound bad. I really hope Chris hasn't done anything like this himself. I remember a celebrity who was once interviewed said he was actually quite arrogant behind the scenes and talked about things like what strip club to go to. Considering he's married with children, this is a bit iffy.

1 hour ago, Easy said:

It’s defintely not cool of him to joke about that but he low key pointed out an issue. My friend’s brother some years back have been accused of work place sexual harassment which I’m so sure he didn’t do a single thing. First he is gay and a female made the complain and second piece of evidence would be he was out of town the day he so called harassed the woman. Turn out the woman wanted to destroy his career because he didn’t give a promotion to her 

I think this system (at least in where I live) is crazy. Sexual harassment laws are in favour of female meanwhile male are not protected enough. 

Dont come at me I think the joke he made has no class at all, just wanted to say Sth concerning the issue. 

Don't get me wrong, it's terrible how men can be wrongfully accused. But honestly, the system can be hard on both parties. Most of the time, when a woman tries to report a claim, she's told (sometimes even by the female head of HR) to sweep it under the rug or ask her what she was wearing that day or even say something like: "This is a male dominated workplace and you're female, what do you expect?" Women have actually quit their jobs over this because they can't be around these men who treat them terribly and get away with it. Some of the stories you hear are just heartbreaking. Maybe you're basing your feelings too much on this one person's experience but I can assure you that the situation is very different in general and across the world.

1 hour ago, gagasxmonsterx said:

He’s not funny, but I guess we found out why everybody hates Chris.

He sounds like a garbage human being and he literally had like .025 seconds of fame. Never seen him anywhere except for Everybody Hates Chris tbh so I guess he can’t be that relevant

He's a highly successful comedian, he's been famous all throughout the 90's. He's a really funny guy but just like all comedians, he can have an off day. I'm not going to judge too much until I hear the full context of his jokes. But it's a shame, I was considering going to see him when I heard he was coming to my city, but with jokes like this, and being accompanied by my dad, I don't know if I could take it.

1 hour ago, JDi said:

the system didn't protect Weinstein. interests did. stop playing dumb. tons of people knew, tons of MEN knew... did you miss that part? he wouldn't have stood a chance with this many accusations... not even a century ago.

what is happening is great and things will hopefully change precisely because it was the victims' fault. yes I said it. it would make sense to not risk being looked at as a liar bitch only if it wasn't an open secret. now, every time there's rumors someone will come forward and ruin it for both the predator and the whores among the prey.

Your point seems to jump all over the place and not be consistent. I really don't know what you're saying here. And how was it the victim's fault that he attempted to force himself on them? And did you just seriously call some of these women whores? Really, now?

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2 hours ago, Easy said:

It’s defintely not cool of him to joke about that but he low key pointed out an issue. My friend’s brother some years back have been accused of work place sexual harassment which I’m so sure he didn’t do a single thing. First he is gay and a female made the complain and second piece of evidence would be he was out of town the day he so called harassed the woman. Turn out the woman wanted to destroy his career because he didn’t give a promotion to her 

Not talking about the law thing but even though Chris' joke is gross, I somewhat agree with the idea on false claims for money like this being an issue   

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1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

 

Your point seems to jump all over the place and not be consistent. I really don't know what you're saying here. And how was it the victim's fault that he attempted to force himself on them? And did you just seriously call some of these women whores? Really, now?

I really don't think my English is that bad. I try not to waste too many words because people here rarely change their minds. you know this better than most people. I admire your patience but I'm not capable of that.

my point was that it's not the system's fault. what is "the system" even? people banging their heads in dry court cases?

my point was that it's the fault of people who knew and would go "well, that's the world we live in".

my point was that it's the fault of women who knew there were enough stories floating around and had no reason to fear backlash. do we really think this went for so long because everyone was scared shitless of someone they knew they could easily ruin?

my point was that there were also women who consciously took advantage of his "offers". duh. the question is, was it all of them? probably not. but it possibly was and that shouldn't count as an opinion. assumptions must fly both ways. that's the closest we can get to being objective. you can easily dismiss this as sexism, but I don't even have to bother explaining why that would be less objective than sexism itself. 

life is as obvious as it is complex. some of us create and feed off this reality and some of us are female.

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21 hours ago, JDi said:

I really don't think my English is that bad. I try not to waste too many words because people here rarely change their minds. you know this better than most people. I admire your patience but I'm not capable of that.

my point was that it's not the system's fault. what is "the system" even? people banging their heads in dry court cases?

my point was that it's the fault of people who knew and would go "well, that's the world we live in".

my point was that it's the fault of women who knew there were enough stories floating around and had no reason to fear backlash. do we really think this went for so long because everyone was scared shitless of someone they knew they could easily ruin?

my point was that there were also women who consciously took advantage of his "offers". duh. the question is, was it all of them? probably not. but it possibly was and that shouldn't count as an opinion. assumptions must fly both ways. that's the closest we can get to being objective. you can easily dismiss this as sexism, but I don't even have to bother explaining why that would be less objective than sexism itself. 

life is as obvious as it is complex. some of us create and feed off this reality and some of us are female.

I didn't know that you weren't a native English speaker. But you can talk in circles regardless of how well you speak a language.

The system refers to the systematic way that women are kept down, how we're silenced and disbelieved. Usually, it's only women who truly understand this system and believe in it. Lots of men like to think it doesn't exist but it totally does. True, the people who knew and didn't say anything are to blame but the victims sure aren't. If someone told you something bad happened, you should report on their behalf if they can't. There's many reasons as to why a victim won't report, so others must pick up where they can't. No, you've got it all wrong - women don't speak out precisely because they fear backlash. An expose in a newspaper is the much better way to announce this because papers are normally staffed by men and most articles are written by men, so automatically, that's a much more trusted source than a woman could ever be, in the eyes of the public. If you look up any case of a woman who started an accusation, it's filled with a whole host of people in the comments section wondering if she's telling the truth or is lying for whatever reason. Disbelief is always the first reaction and it's awful. No woman thinks she can take down an all powerful Hollywood player because one story is never enough and these men can have the power to make sure you never get a job again.

What does it matter if some took advantage of his offers or not? It was inappropriate and unprofessional for him to offer in the first place. Do you know that even in university, it's actually illegal for a professor to date a student? Even though they're both adults? And that even some workplaces disallow employee dating? It's all about keeping things professional and not abusing positions of power. It don't care if it was consensual or not, you can't go around putting others into uncomfortable positions in the first place.

Your last sentence is actually disgusting. Women are so much more complex and objective than you give them credit for. And for the record, a lot of women are just as quick to disbelieve a story of assault as men are. I thought you were ok the few times I came across your posts but now I'm really pondering what you think of women. You have clear sexist tendencies here that you need to work out. I also highly doubt you've looked into the real story behind workplace harassment and how women are discouraged from reporting, how they are even threatened with being fired if they do. I've got plenty of stories that will make your head spin. You're talking about something that you know very little about likely because as a man, you don't need to consider these things. We like to believe that if we don't see something, it can't be happening. But that's BS.

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Sad that some women do indeed do this... and it gives such a bad image to the whole cause. 

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I get that he's trying to "push the boundaries of comedy" or whatever, but this wasn't funny whatsoever. Dark humor is very hit or miss, and this was definitely a miss. 

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Comedy has never been about playing it safe. For decades we’ve had people playing on stereotypes and offensive things (Joan Rivers, anyone?) Drag queens use the same offensive topics (Sharon Needles) I can see how his joke might have bad timing, but to crucify him for a joke on the same level as the material of 99% of the comedy community is a little extreme.

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2 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I didn't know that you weren't a native English speaker. But you can talk in circles regardless of how well you speak a language.

The system refers to the systematic way that women are kept down, how we're silenced and disbelieved. Usually, it's only women who truly understand this system and believe in it. Lots of men like to think it doesn't exist but it totally does. True, the people who knew and didn't say anything are to blame but the victims sure aren't. If someone told you something bad happened, you should report on their behalf if they can't. There's many reasons as to why a victim won't report, so others must pick up where they can't. No, you've got it all wrong - women don't speak out precisely because they fear backlash. An expose in a newspaper is the much better way to announce this because papers are normally staffed by men and most articles are written by men, so automatically, that's a much more trusted source than a woman could ever be, in the eyes of the public. If you look up any case of a woman who started an accusation, it's filled with a whole host of people in the comments section wondering if she's telling the truth or is lying for whatever reason. Disbelief is always the first reaction and it's awful. No woman thinks she can take down an all powerful Hollywood player because one story is never enough and these men can have the power to make sure you never get a job again.

oh how I hate repeating myself. I said that I blame the victims who knew they weren't alone which is most of them, if not all. it was an open secret. many famous actors knew about the McGowan settlement. that's one of the reasons she never really "settled". fearing backlash doesn't make sense here. 
 

2 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

What does it matter if some took advantage of his offers or not? It was inappropriate and unprofessional for him to offer in the first place. Do you know that even in university, it's actually illegal for a professor to date a student? Even though they're both adults? And that even some workplaces disallow employee dating? It's all about keeping things professional and not abusing positions of power. It don't care if it was consensual or not, you can't go around putting others into uncomfortable positions in the first place.

Your last sentence is actually disgusting. Women are so much more complex and objective than you give them credit for. And for the record, a lot of women are just as quick to disbelieve a story of assault as men are. I thought you were ok the few times I came across your posts but now I'm really pondering what you think of women. You have clear sexist tendencies here that you need to work out. I also highly doubt you've looked into the real story behind workplace harassment and how women are discouraged from reporting, how they are even threatened with being fired if they do. I've got plenty of stories that will make your head spin. You're talking about something that you know very little about likely because as a man, you don't need to consider these things. We like to believe that if we don't see something, it can't be happening. But that's BS.

I know this but I will have to yet again remind you that we were talking about the recent Hollywood cases that triggered Chris Rock's comments. fame and notoriety are in the picture. it's not the same as workplace harassment or date rape or whatever. that's one reason Rock's comments are distasteful. and not because it's utterly wrong to make them at all but because he was referencing his personal experience and essentially venting in a time when people expect either a quality statement or silence.

I don't have to look into anything, it's common sense. it probably took a minute sometime in my early teens to consider all kinds of scenarios and the pressure a woman could go through in a situation like this. how exactly can I prove my empathy? by not putting any blame to any victim, or should I say accuser, ever? I'm sorry but maybe it's you that needs to take some things into consideration to avoid sounding sexist. 

still, I said that what's happening is great in my first comment. every reaction. even the prejudice and the sexism and Rock's unfunny jokes. it's great because it alerts men who thought they are getting away with this kind of stuff precisely because of the perception that at least some of the accusers are really just whores or more than just whores. predators are reminded to doubt and fear the prey they thought they knew all about. that's why I think that putting light on this "disgusting" aspect of reality gives women invisible power and I suggest you acknowledge its relevance.

 

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...or, you know, continue narrating the apathetically empathic madness of repetition.
 

 

 

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