Netflix Cancels House Of Cards Over Kevin Spacey Sexual Advances Claims

[CautiousLurker 19,472]

Just now, ZacharyMark said:

It's not. Because we all know how the business runs. You never have a full time job for life. There's a touch of reality. Also, the show was already presumed to be ending. Shows across all spectrums of entertainment get cancelled at any time. That's the entertainment industry. These people can't assume that job security will stay with them. 

It's ironic how angry you are at some of the people in this thread for pointing out there has been no proof provided yet to support Rapp's claim, yet you are so dismissive of people who will suffer from this... People with families mind you, who have kids to support... I'm a concept artists so I DO know how this business runs and I can confidently say that this will be a big deal for a lot of people... You have a very skewed perception... 

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The thing that bothers me about this is that MEN HIT ON WOMEN ALL THE TIME. 

It's not even a big deal! I've been hit on by thousands of men. If I made as big of a deal about this as this Rapp guy, jeez, I'd be killing the careers of thousands of men. 

It seems like a lame move. 

Women are expected to be like teflon and deal with it all the time. I don't understand how a man hitting on you 30 years ago is enough of a cause to cancel his tv show. 

If it was rape, it would be a different story. But it's not. It sounds like the sort of thing that women have to deal with every day from complete strangers. 

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On the topic of HoC itself, a show with just Claire would be horrible. She's an intriguing character but she doesn't have Frank's charisma to be the star of the show. When Frank is on screen he electrifies the entire scene,

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1 hour ago, ZacharyMark said:

I'm just going to repost my other response:

It's not like the show would've gone on for 20 seasons. The show was nearing it's end and these people on the show know all about the business. They know that any show that they're on could be canceled at anytime. They were lucky to be on a show that will last 6 seasons. They're professionals who will find work. 

And again, we already knew that the show was ending amidst reports from a few months ago.

You so clearly do not work for a living, let alone in such an incredibly competitive industry like Hollywood.

I'm an editor in the industry and if I found out my show was cancelled cause of this I'd be outraged. It was rumored to be be final season but Netflix never confirmed, and if the season was well-received and ratings held, then it could've been renewed and an entire crew of people would be working another year.

There's almost zero doubt in the industry right now that this incident was the nail in the show's coffin. Every single reputable source is reporting Netflix met this weekend and cancelled it for this reason. 

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1 hour ago, CautiousLurker said:

It's ironic how angry you are at some of the people in this thread for pointing out there has been no proof provided yet to support Rapp's claim, yet you are so dismissive of people who will suffer from this... People with families mind you, who have kids to support... I'm a concept artists so I DO know how this business runs and I can confidently say that this will be a big deal for a lot of people... You have a very skewed perception... 

This Zachary kid is trying to lecture you and I about how the industry runs not knowing we both actually work in the industry, smh 

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1 hour ago, River said:

This thread really shows why and how Harvey Weinstein got away with all his sexual assaults for many years..

 

Let's be clear here: there are multiple, legal, court-based accounts and evidence that Harvey Weinstein raped and assaulted countless women. 

What do we have for Spacey? 

A Buzzfeed story from 1986. 

You just can't compare the two yet. Chill.

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34 minutes ago, Sam Winchester said:

On the topic of HoC itself, a show with just Claire would be horrible. She's an intriguing character but she doesn't have Frank's charisma to be the star of the show. When Frank is on screen he electrifies the entire scene,

Not to get to off topic, but I strongly disagree  Frank only does that when he talks to the Camera - meanwhile, Claire is a surging undercurrent of passion, contradiction, and nuance, very much thanks to Robin's performance. Frank is always exactly what you expect and there's very little mystery to his character or his motivation and Spacey doesn't do much to dispel this. People have him figured out even in the show, they are just silenced. There's nothing electrifying about his characteristic tone of voice when hes lying to people and trying to seem charismatic and southern. I will say that the scenes regarding his ambiguous sexuality are very well done, but rip @ their relevance  

I haven't looked at reviews of the show recently, but I feel like things have been coming up Robin/Claire since like S2 in terms of acting performance reviews  

[JusticeforVenus 950]

3 hours ago, brownie said:

Nope, this is RIDICULOUS. Do you guys understand that hundreds of cast and crew are now losing their jobs/residuals/steady income because one guy made a 30-year-old allegation to BUZZFEED?! 

Yes, Spacey acted inappropriate if true but he didn't actually DO anything. Spacey needs some kind of therapy, maybe a police report to clear everything -- but the fact that hundreds of people are now gonna be hurt by Rapp's allegation is dumb. 

Well, for me (as a victim), I would like justice like he had, you cannot think on others when the hurt is YOU. And by doing that, you encourage the Spacey victims to tell the Truth and prevent New victims.

this whole situation helped me,I never say a Word but not anymore, I will also scream the Truth to heal my pain.

 

[Gagaloo911 12,959]

2 hours ago, Doot said:

100% false. 

1.  Kevin Spacey said he had no memory of that ever occurring and if it did occur, then he apologizes. He did not admit to doing anything. 

2. Even police officers have to verify someone’s claims, which is where the “innocent until proven guilty” statement comes from. People lie about these things all the time. All you have to do is Google it. There is a huge movement right now regarding rape and sexual assault, and it’s absolutely ridiculous to think that with all the people coming forward, that there isn’t going to be those who come forward to lie as well. And being objective to a claim does not make one complicit.

 

He may as well have by excusing it with "being drunk" and also apologizing for it. Not an explicit admission but admitting that it may have happened nonetheless. 

I am well aware of that movement, and am on the side of believing the victims considering the history that is there with regard to sexual harassment victims who have been consistently blamed and considered asking for it. It's disgusting really. 

Also, being more likely to justify why something has occurred or not believing a victim is in fact being complicit in a system that marginalizes victims and excuses sexual assault as drunkenness and which seeks to keep those who are perpetrators with power, in power. 

Maybe there are those out there who falsely accuse of this, I'm sure. But to immediately go there and assume that is a very sad attitude to have with this issue in particular. 

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3 minutes ago, brownie said:

Let's be clear here: there are multiple, legal, court-based accounts and evidence that Harvey Weinstein raped and assaulted countless women. 

What do we have for Spacey? 

A Buzzfeed story from 1986. 

You just can't compare the two yet. Chill.

"chill" Can you be less rude? sometimes I'm tired to speak with children in this place..

Listen, what people said here are things that many women who has been raped and assaulted by Harvey has heard all the time, "it happened long time ago" "think about his reputation" "think about the crew, they lost their jobs" this is why they didn't speak until now..

Crime and trauma has no age, he was 14! years old around a lot of adult people, many of them probably assaulted him or took advantage of him to fill their sexual needs because he was a naive kid and vulnerable, they could do whatever they wanted with him, but a 14 years old won't say anything because he's dreaming about a long career, the money is good and no one would believe him anyway.

We are talking about the 80s' were the knowledge about rape and sexual assault was minimal and if you spoke about it as a man and especially as a 14 years old kid, no one would believe you and actually laugh at you and shut you up.

He had to live with it all his life while Spacey "forgot", this is the most hurting thing to hear for someone who was sexually assaulted.

The crew won't be poor, we are talking about Hollywood and one of the most successful tv show in the last few years, they have enough money for the next 15 years and they will work on a new tv show anyway.. the crew is not some kind of cinema students who tried to make money.. they are professionals who worked for years in this industry..

 

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9 minutes ago, Gagaloo92 said:

Also, being more likely to justify why something has occurred or not believing a victim is in fact being complicit in a system that marginalizes victims and excuses sexual assault as drunkenness and which seeks to keep those who are perpetrators with power, in power. 

Maybe there are those out there who falsely accuse of this, I'm sure. But to immediately go there and assume that is a very sad attitude to have with this issue in particular. 

I am sorry, I have no issues with you personally, but saying I am complicit in rape culture is not only false, but also defamatory. I am not saying I believe one or the other. I am saying that as any police officer would do, they would look at the evidence presented to them, and continue to investigate. And in the complaint himself, it does not appear that Anthony was sexually assaulted. Even the Buzzfeed article says "sexual advance" not "sexual assault".

9 minutes ago, Gagaloo92 said:

He may as well have by excusing it with "being drunk" and also apologizing for it. Not an explicit admission but admitting that it may have happened nonetheless. 

Nor is it implicit. When a human being gets intoxicated to a certain level, the brain can not form and retain short term memories, which is why so many people are either foggy or can't remember what occurred while drunk. Him saying he doesn't recall that ever happening is not an implicit admission of wrongdoing, it's biology and chemistry. 

He then states that if that did happen (signifying that the advance was of sexual nature), then he is sorry. Now, if he did advance on the boy in a sexual nature, I am all on board for saying that its gross AF and wrong. If it was not done in a sexual manner (and we have no realistic way of knowing if it was), then what occurred was most likely just weird and inappropriate. 

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3 hours ago, brownie said:

You like that hundreds of cast and crew just lost their jobs over a thirty year old allegation? 

I mean, kill Spacey off-screen, write a clever way for him out, jesus. 

Technically they lost nothing. They had a contract only for a 6th season and nothing was won for a 7th. That's how TV industry works. Working for a new season isn't granted and you probably know that

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2 hours ago, River said:

"chill" Can you be less rude? sometimes I'm tired to speak with children in this place..

Listen, what people said here are things that many women who has been raped and assaulted by Harvey has heard all the time, "it happened long time ago" "think about his reputation" "think about the crew, they lost their jobs" this is why they didn't speak until now..

Crime and trauma has no age, he was 14! years old around a lot of adult people, many of them probably assaulted him or took advantage of him to fill their sexual needs because he was a naive kid and vulnerable, they could do whatever they wanted with him, but a 14 years old won't say anything because he's dreaming about a long career, the money is good and no one would believe him anyway.

We are talking about the 80s' were the knowledge about rape and sexual assault was minimal and if you spoke about it as a man and especially as a 14 years old kid, no one would believe you and actually laugh at you and shut you up.

He had to live with it all his life while Spacey "forgot", this is the most hurting thing to hear for someone who was sexually assaulted.

The crew won't be poor, we are talking about Hollywood and one of the most successful tv show in the last few years, they have enough money for the next 15 years and they will work on a new tv show anyway.. the crew is not some kind of cinema students who tried to make money.. they are professionals who worked for years in this industry..

 

A) Everyone in Hollywood knew Harvey was a creep and no one was hiding anything to protect his reputation. People openly called him "Harvey the Pig". Agents warned actresses about him. 

b) AGAIN, and I don't get why this is hard to explain -- there is actual, factual, court-based evidence and testimony regarding Harvey. All his repercussions were 100% justified. There are multiple reports of the Weinstein company employees covering for Harvey -- including several female assistants who worked to downplay all the allegations and keep it hidden. 

C) I'm not being rude at all. You're the one comparing two very different cases. Harvey: multiple testimonies. Spacey: zero known testimonies, one 30-year buzzfeed report. I fully believe what happened happened, but don't believe this giant witch hunt against Spacey is necessary, and it's going to hurt more people than it helps. Already is. 

D) I worked at juvenile hall for awhile before I moved to L.A., and let me tell you: a drunk guy picking up a minor and then passing out on him when said minor was already in his bedroom at a party he shouldn't have been at -- I'm sorry if this is too blunt, but I don't really feel bad for Rapp. I've known people who were actually raped. Seen kids who were actually assaulted and traumatized. They live with real trauma their whole lives -- I highly doubt getting hit on by a drunken Kevin Spacey at 14 scarred Rapp for life. If that's the worst thing he has to report, then he's had a pretty easy life. He's a lead on the new Star Trek for crying out loud -- Spacey didn't rape him and then cover it up and blacklist him the way Weinstein did to potentially HUNDREDS of women. Having seen the horrors a 14 year old can really go through, this isn't that bad. Rapp needs a therapist. Spacey needs a police investigation and a mandated psychologist to judge if he's truly a pedophile or not -- again, this is one allegation. 

E) "they have enough money for the next 15 years and they will work on a new tv show anyway.. the crew is not some kind of cinema students who tried to make money.. they are professionals who worked for years in this industry.." Yeah, I work in Hollywood now and everything you're saying is a pipe dream. A lot of us ARE freelancers who work job to job, season to season. Kevin Spacey and Robin Wright have enough money for the next 15 years, but I'm lmfao if you think the rest of the cast and crew do. 

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5 hours ago, that juju said:

Show lasted way too long as is, and with series like OITNB and Stranger Things, HoC is irrelevant. 

I don't agree, next season would be Frank vs Claire. That would have given the series a great turnaround

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Never cared for HOC and im glad they're punisih him, he is well know as pedo, Rosie O'Donell is having the time of her life draggin Kevin's ass lmao