Ariana fired dancer because of using the n-word

[MarryTheKnight 2,181]

I don't understand why white people get so upset/ defensive when they're told not to use the n word??? Like, just don't say it. If you think it's 'only a word' to you, then DON'T USE IT. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,880]

It's a tricky situation when used privately. While I would never use that word and don't even think it and don't understand why anyone from any race would use it...some people genuinely just use it as a joke, sarcasm, irony. Not my kinda humour, but some black people are genuinely ok with their white friends saying it. Not all, obviously, but there are some. It's all about context for them. At least Ariana stands by her convictions, so that's commendable. However, I thought the case would be more of a clean-cut case of racism as opposed to someone who simply needed to be educated.

On 9/17/2017 at 8:13 PM, thierryrreiht said:

The fact that you can spell "mayo" but not "n****" pretty much answers your question as to "are they equally offensive"

Just because the word can't be automatically censored means nothing. You can literally take any word and make it mean something offensive, if you apply it right. A lot of offensive terms about white people are new, so obviously, it's going to take a while to sink in and truly work out if the consensus is that they're offensive or not. But most of us do not agree that the terms are equally offensive. We just want them recognised as offensive terms that shouldn't be used.

On 9/17/2017 at 8:14 PM, JustSaiyan said:

Do you feel opressed, affected and triggered by it?  I am so sorry but I'm a mayo too.

I feel offended, that's all. And even if I did feel those other emotions, are white people's hurt feelings funny to you? And that's the worst of it, you're white as well. I don't know how you can't view that term as offensive. Any name calling, especially one that refers to something inanimate, strips a person of their feelings, intellect, experience and humanity.

On 9/17/2017 at 8:18 PM, Matangi said:

hunny the term mayo is clearly used to belittle white people who are already ignorant and oblivious to the harm of racist words and labels, hence the word to mock them themselves.

Plenty of good white people have had this term used towards them, including me. I've even seen black people use the term in a general way, instead of saying white. And also, what made you think being a Hispanic meant usage of the n word operates differently. Hispanics are not black. In my country, they're regarded as white.

On 9/17/2017 at 8:23 PM, Chic said:

People can say tranny without censoring it, is that less offensive? Or have racial minorities gained the privilege of making it taboo to use slurs against them because of their privilege in population size?

I love you and all but could I ask what you mean by "their privilege in population size?" I don't know if it was sarcasm or seriousness.

On 9/17/2017 at 8:23 PM, Supersonic said:

Because this thread is about a dancer of Ariana using the n-word publically and you're trying to turn it into your personal "woe is me" show. YOU are derailing the topic.

They responded to someone making a offensive term towards white people to insult the girl who got fired, using the "fight fire with fire" method. You can criticise someone without calling them names, therefore insulting their race with it. I think that has heavy relevance. This is the moment where people show their true racism that they don't even realise they have and as you've just proved, no one takes it seriously.

On 9/17/2017 at 8:46 PM, GhettoFabulous said:

Good it’s what she deserves.Also OMG I just saw  some of you were offended by the word  mayo and I totally understand like the word mayo has such a deep rooted history of prejudice,hate, slavery and racism. Poor you, you must feel soooo oppressed💀. I normally see the word used to describe ignorant white people so if you fit that category and the shoe fits, wear it I guess 💀  It’s really not that deep sweeties  like really it isn’t 

A word doesn't need to have a deep-rooted history in prejudice, hate, slavery and racism in order to be offensive, you know. It's not the being taken seriously bit that really hurts. Plenty of decent white people have been called it, including yours truly. It's become a common word to refer to white people in general online now. I really don't think sassy gifs help either, it only trivialises the matter further.

On 9/17/2017 at 8:42 PM, Morphine Prince said:

If I'm interpreting this correctly you're referring to US racism? Are you European? Most of these topics are so USA-centric that whenever you read anything relating to "white people" they usually mean white Americans. 

So please don't feel that burden. White Europeans are entirely different and the few I've met in real life and online are so much more educated about race than Americans. Of course Europe has its racial tensions as well but that's a different topic. 

I find it very ironic that you say this considering that you've insulted me before on my views of race despite me being a European, who is apparently so different and so much more educated about race than Americans, according to you. It feels weird to read a post that I would normally consider such a compliment but to then know that you'd consider me the exception makes it bittersweet. And by the way, you say you're Hispanic? They're considered white in my country. So, I don't think my views on race are quite what you imagine regardless of what you may have presumed of me.

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8 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I find it very ironic that you say this considering that you've insulted me before on my views of race despite me being a European, who is apparently so different and so much more educated about race than Americans, according to you. It feels weird to read a post that I would normally consider such a compliment but to then know that you'd consider me the exception makes it bittersweet. And by the way, you say you're Hispanic? They're considered white in my country. So, I don't think my views on race are quite what you imagine regardless of what you may have presumed of me.

Yes, you are the exception. 

And Hispanics can be any race. It's an ethnicity. 

[Chic 20,830]

2 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I love you and all but could I ask what you mean by "their privilege in population size?" I don't know if it was sarcasm or seriousness

I believe there's strength in numbers. The smaller a community, the harder and longer it is to get global acceptance. Less people means less representation, and at that point the representation has to be artificially inflated. Currently black people are far more represented than any other racial minority in American media and television. Because of their high population size and inclusion in society, they've had the power to make it the utmost taboo to use that particular slur against them, mixed with the traumas of centuries past and today. They're taken more seriously by the racial majority, even if they aren't 100% liked. I can't name one good trans character on television that I can relate to (Sophia Bursett from OITNB is the best but account into the fact that she's a prisoner) and the rest are typically mockery or bad representation. And you can find plenty of articles online about a black person doing something positive and conservatives will usually applaud them depending on what it is. Find an article about a trans people doing something positive and I can guarantee you conservatives will rip that person apart in the comments.

My biggest problem, I think, has to be with the fact that with the immense amount of coverage the black rights movement gets, it is an implication that they are the worst suffering minority. Whether that's true or not is not up for me to decide. I definitely think a lot of black people have it horribly. But at least they have the numbers. At least they have communities.

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7 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

Yes, you are the exception. 

And Hispanics can be any race. It's an ethnicity. 

Well, isn't that nice? Get to know me and you might think differently.

And yes, I believe Hispanics are an ethnicity as well. As does the rest of my country. I said they're considered white in reference to white Hispanics (meaning, for black Hispanics, their race is black, their ethnicity is Hispanic - but some don't see themselves as black, which is quite sad).

2 minutes ago, Chic said:

I believe there's strength in numbers. The smaller a community, the harder and longer it is to get global acceptance. Less people means less representation, and at that point the representation has to be artificially inflated. Currently black people are far more represented than any other racial minority in American media and television. Because of their high population size and inclusion in society, they've had the power to make it the utmost taboo to use that particular slur against them, mixed with the traumas of centuries past and today. They're taken more seriously by the racial majority, even if they aren't 100% liked. I can't name one good trans character on television that I can relate to (Sophia Bursett from OITNB is the best but account into the fact that she's a prisoner) and the rest are typically mockery or bad representation. And you can find plenty of articles online about a black person doing something positive and conservatives will usually applaud them depending on what it is. Find an article about a trans people doing something positive and I can guarantee you conservatives will rip that person apart in the comments.

My biggest problem, I think, has to be with the fact that with the immense amount of coverage the black rights movement gets, it is an implication that they are the worst suffering minority. Whether that's true or not is not up for me to decide. I definitely think a lot of black people have it horribly. But at least they have the numbers. At least they have communities.

Right, I'm with you on that one, then. There is no doubt that blacks are the second most represented racial group in America and probably worldwide (their singers edge it for them). Yet, race is seen routinely through a black lens when talking about American racial issues and I feel it really undermines the other minorities. I'm always hearing Asians say that it's so rare to see an Asian person on tv. Despite Asians actually being the second biggest racial group in the UK, it's more common to see black people on tv, for example. I think their contribution isn't really quantified accurately. Now, more than ever, I'm seeing the most racial diversity...but only for blacks. Still a huge lack of any other kind of oppressed minority.

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Just now, StrawberryBlond said:

Well, isn't that nice? Get to know me and you might think differently.

And yes, I believe Hispanics are an ethnicity as well. As does the rest of my country. I said they're considered white in reference to white Hispanics (meaning, for black Hispanics, their race is black, their ethnicity is Hispanic - but some don't see themselves as black, which is quite sad).

I'm good. 

And that's not what you said but ok, at least you know that. 

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14 hours ago, PI Floppedt said:

Are some of you seriously implying that the n-word carries just as much weight as terms like crackers, vanilla or mayonnaise?

The difference between the n-word and some of the mocking terms hurled at white people is that the former has a historical significance to it, and it still lives on till present time. It was used to remind black people that for hundreds of years that they were inferior to whites, and they don't deserve to assert any bit of their rights as a human being. So if you're not black and you're using the n-word, you basically fail to understand that the word has a really negative connotation to it. It makes you extremely insensitive and ignorant, point blank. 

If you are black and you are using a word that has been historically hurled at you to belittle you, then you are ignorant, point blank.

You don't like the word? Don't use it. I'm gay, and I sure as hell don't use the word *******. I don't call white people, black people, Latin people any sort of derogatory term. Why? Because We are all human beings and we should treat each other with respect. Black people calling each other ***** is the most ignorant thing out there. ITS NOT OK to tell people not to do something that is extremely harmful, but then turn around and do it. Black people are the only group of people that constantly call each other a name like that. You have historically been fighting for your rights to have the same basic rights as every other human being. Why in the hell would you disrespect yourself like that, and be outraged when others do it? 

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this is so tragic and even more tragic is to read some sjw's overreact and call themselves "mayos" etc 

 

she said the group is called "dangerous niggas", and without being a Ariana stan I know her dancers team is composed by people from a lot of different ethnicities and races, SO, I completely doubt that group name was selected by her or simply a white person, SO I guess they were all ok, SO I guess she wasn't fired either by this but the polemic twitter SJW's made.

then we can say today, thanks to SJW's, a normal person that works with people of all ethnicities and races without any problem in a safe and inclusive place lost a huge life-changing opportunity in her career. thanks to people that probably the most activist sh*t they've ever done is to retweet 5 consecutive threads about pansexuality and if it's possible to fall in love with a cheeto 

 

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

It's a tricky situation when used privately. While I would never use that word and don't even think it and don't understand why anyone from any race would use it...some people genuinely just use it as a joke, sarcasm, irony. Not my kinda humour, but some black people are genuinely ok with their white friends saying it. Not all, obviously, but there are some. It's all about context for them. At least Ariana stands by her convictions, so that's commendable. However, I thought the case would be more of a clean-cut case of racism as opposed to someone who simply needed to be educated.

Just because the word can't be automatically censored means nothing. You can literally take any word and make it mean something offensive, if you apply it right. A lot of offensive terms about white people are new, so obviously, it's going to take a while to sink in and truly work out if the consensus is that they're offensive or not. But most of us do not agree that the terms are equally offensive. We just want them recognised as offensive terms that shouldn't be used.

I feel offended, that's all. And even if I did feel those other emotions, are white people's hurt feelings funny to you? And that's the worst of it, you're white as well. I don't know how you can't view that term as offensive. Any name calling, especially one that refers to something inanimate, strips a person of their feelings, intellect, experience and humanity.

Plenty of good white people have had this term used towards them, including me. I've even seen black people use the term in a general way, instead of saying white. And also, what made you think being a Hispanic meant usage of the n word operates differently. Hispanics are not black. In my country, they're regarded as white.

I love you and all but could I ask what you mean by "their privilege in population size?" I don't know if it was sarcasm or seriousness.

They responded to someone making a offensive term towards white people to insult the girl who got fired, using the "fight fire with fire" method. You can criticise someone without calling them names, therefore insulting their race with it. I think that has heavy relevance. This is the moment where people show their true racism that they don't even realise they have and as you've just proved, no one takes it seriously.

A word doesn't need to have a deep-rooted history in prejudice, hate, slavery and racism in order to be offensive, you know. It's not the being taken seriously bit that really hurts. Plenty of decent white people have been called it, including yours truly. It's become a common word to refer to white people in general online now. I really don't think sassy gifs help either, it only trivialises the matter further.

I find it very ironic that you say this considering that you've insulted me before on my views of race despite me being a European, who is apparently so different and so much more educated about race than Americans, according to you. It feels weird to read a post that I would normally consider such a compliment but to then know that you'd consider me the exception makes it bittersweet. And by the way, you say you're Hispanic? They're considered white in my country. So, I don't think my views on race are quite what you imagine regardless of what you may have presumed of me.

Yess. To all this. These people that claim to be so "woke" - are actually just as backward and ignorant as the people they complain about. 

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18 hours ago, Morphine Prince said:

I'm good. 

And that's not what you said but ok, at least you know that. 

Oh, so you don't aim to get to know people better before judging them? Well, are you wanting me to do the same of you?

Yes, it's not what I said because when I mean black Hispanic, I'll say "black Hispanic." Most people, when saying "Hispanic" mean "white Hispanic," as they are (I think) the most common variety of Hispanics. So, saying "white" at the beginning isn't really necessary. If you don't say "black" at the beginning, I'm assuming you mean a white Hispanic, which is what I intended. For black ones, obviously, their race is a much bigger deal than ethnicity, as most people will not see their cultural background at all, they will just see the colour of their skin, so I put them into a separate category. For example, the Colombian athlete, Caterine Ibarguen, is a black Hispanic, but unless you saw her name and/or the name of the country she competes for, most people would probably think she was African American. You can't really "see" the Hispanic ethnicity on a black Hispanic but you can see it on a white Hispanic. A black Hispanic's race takes up half or their whole racial identity in the eyes of many, whereas a white Hispanic's ethnicity will take up their entire racial identity in the eyes of many. That's the detailed explanation of what I meant.

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6 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Oh, so you don't aim to get to know people better before judging them? Well, are you wanting me to do the same of you?

Yes, it's not what I said because when I mean black Hispanic, I'll say "black Hispanic." Most people, when saying "Hispanic" mean "white Hispanic," as they are (I think) the most common variety of Hispanics. So, saying "white" at the beginning isn't really necessary. If you don't say "black" at the beginning, I'm assuming you mean a white Hispanic, which is what I intended. For black ones, obviously, their race is a much bigger deal than ethnicity, as most people will not see their cultural background at all, they will just see the colour of their skin, so I put them into a separate category. For example, the Colombian athlete, Caterine Ibarguen, is a black Hispanic, but unless you saw her name and/or the name of the country she competes for, most people would probably think she was African American. You can't really "see" the Hispanic ethnicity on a black Hispanic but you can see it on a white Hispanic. A black Hispanic's race takes up half or their whole racial identity in the eyes of many, whereas a white Hispanic's ethnicity will take up their entire racial identity in the eyes of many. That's the detailed explanation of what I meant.

I think I've read enough from you on the subject of race on this site to come to my own conclusions. I don't see why this bothers you so much. I'm sure people here who read my posts have done the same. I couldn't care less. I only aim to learn and evolve as a person, as should everyone imo. 

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20 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

It's a tricky situation when used privately. While I would never use that word and don't even think it and don't understand why anyone from any race would use it...some people genuinely just use it as a joke, sarcasm, irony. Not my kinda humour, but some black people are genuinely ok with their white friends saying it. Not all, obviously, but there are some. It's all about context for them. At least Ariana stands by her convictions, so that's commendable. However, I thought the case would be more of a clean-cut case of racism as opposed to someone who simply needed to be educated.

Just because the word can't be automatically censored means nothing. You can literally take any word and make it mean something offensive, if you apply it right. A lot of offensive terms about white people are new, so obviously, it's going to take a while to sink in and truly work out if the consensus is that they're offensive or not. But most of us do not agree that the terms are equally offensive. We just want them recognised as offensive terms that shouldn't be used.

I feel offended, that's all. And even if I did feel those other emotions, are white people's hurt feelings funny to you? And that's the worst of it, you're white as well. I don't know how you can't view that term as offensive. Any name calling, especially one that refers to something inanimate, strips a person of their feelings, intellect, experience and humanity.

Plenty of good white people have had this term used towards them, including me. I've even seen black people use the term in a general way, instead of saying white. And also, what made you think being a Hispanic meant usage of the n word operates differently. Hispanics are not black. In my country, they're regarded as white.

I love you and all but could I ask what you mean by "their privilege in population size?" I don't know if it was sarcasm or seriousness.

They responded to someone making a offensive term towards white people to insult the girl who got fired, using the "fight fire with fire" method. You can criticise someone without calling them names, therefore insulting their race with it. I think that has heavy relevance. This is the moment where people show their true racism that they don't even realise they have and as you've just proved, no one takes it seriously.

A word doesn't need to have a deep-rooted history in prejudice, hate, slavery and racism in order to be offensive, you know. It's not the being taken seriously bit that really hurts. Plenty of decent white people have been called it, including yours truly. It's become a common word to refer to white people in general online now. I really don't think sassy gifs help either, it only trivialises the matter further.

I find it very ironic that you say this considering that you've insulted me before on my views of race despite me being a European, who is apparently so different and so much more educated about race than Americans, according to you. It feels weird to read a post that I would normally consider such a compliment but to then know that you'd consider me the exception makes it bittersweet. And by the way, you say you're Hispanic? They're considered white in my country. So, I don't think my views on race are quite what you imagine regardless of what you may have presumed of me.

girl ur always a 1000 word essay of a mess

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2 hours ago, Morphine Prince said:

I think I've read enough from you on the subject of race on this site to come to my own conclusions. I don't see why this bothers you so much. I'm sure people here who read my posts have done the same. I couldn't care less. I only aim to learn and evolve as a person, as should everyone imo. 

It bothers me when people have untrue assumptions of me. It's no good for a white person to have misconceptions spread about their view of race. I came to GGD to make friends, not be unfairly judged by people who don't know me. Maybe if you want to learn and evolve as a person, you'd be more open to discussion with others?

1 hour ago, Matangi said:

girl ur always a 1000 word essay of a mess

And you are nearly always rude to me. Honestly, you could at least be original with your complaint. Do you ever think that these things you say to someone might bring down their already bad day?

[Morphine Prince 106,169]

6 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

It bothers me when people have untrue assumptions of me. It's no good for a white person to have misconceptions spread about their view of race. I came to GGD to make friends, not be unfairly judged by people who don't know me. Maybe if you want to learn and evolve as a person, you'd be more open to discussion with others?

I am only expressing what I've observed. I don't think you're being judged unfairly at all, actually. 

And I'd say the same to you. Have an open mind especially when those of us who live in more diverse societies and are minorities in them express our views. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,880]

Just now, Morphine Prince said:

I am only expressing what I've observed. I don't think you're being judged unfairly at all, actually. 

And I'd say the same to you. Have an open mind especially when those of us who live in more diverse societies and are minorities in them express our views. 

I am being judged unfairly because the stuff being spread about me is untrue.

I do have an open mind. Just because I supplement your views with mine doesn't mean I'm invalidating yours. Just because I didn't grow up in a racially diverse land (though it's not like I chose that or anything), I have spent many years researching other cultures because they fascinate me. For the record, I know Spanish to some level, I was one of the top students in my class which I elected to take. I've actually grown up surrounded by a lot of Hispanic culture because my mother worked in the Hispanic department of a university (where I did work experience with Hispanic staff) and she loved Latin music and dance and between her and my aunt I always hear tango music playing and being discussed. Because of her tango classes, I ended up attending a Spanish owned dance school as well, in addition to eating tortillas, chorizo and tapas in the adjoining bar. And I went to several regions in southern Spain like Murcia and Andalusia once. So, yeah, maybe I'm more cultured than you think. As you've said yourself, "Europeans are so much more educated about race than Americans."