Whispering 18,865 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 You made a thread the week the tour started to say that you were no longer a fan and then went on to explain in detail all the negative feelings you had about Gaga and her career, music and work. Now, here you are again going over the same territory. If you are truly that unhappy with most of what she has done in the last five years, at some point you have to take responsibility for your choices. You being unhappy with Gaga and her choices is on you, not her. No one is making you follow an artist for five years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Gallo 199 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 6 hours ago, Swine said: Let's not even talk about MTN. The video mess continued with Applause, also shot by I&V - and there are no words to express how boring and badly shot it is. Two of her best and most interesting videos, I stop reading after this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
getto 1,552 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I agree that she needs better single choices and videos...but alot of this is a mess... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaakemellor 2 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Monsters it would be so kind if you'd all take part in my Gaga project for her! <3 read rules below x Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
getto 1,552 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 10 hours ago, Swine said: And then GUY - total poor choice of a single, probably made by her, since the video was 100% paid by her and not her label. She believed the single was on the top 10 and very successful, the delusion was real. WAIT...SHE DID!?!?!? SOMEBODY EXPLAIN THIS PLEASE! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochestrMonstr 3,216 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 9 hours ago, ryanripley said: i think everyone can agree on the point that her peak truly was TF/TFM and she'll have a really hard time trying to top that. i think it's best she never works with the mindset of needing to out-do herself era after era, video after video because it can poisonous to her as an artist. she totally hyped ARTPOP as her "best work yet" with a "bad romance 2.0" etc but it all ended up falling flat Maybe commercially The Fame was her peak. But I definitely disagree about it being her peak artistically. I'll always have a soft spot for TF, but it's by far her worst album in my opinion. Most of the production on all the songs sounds the same, and there is more filler than any other album. Even the videos aren't as good as what came after (except Paparazzi). This is just my opinion, of course, but it just goes to show I don't think there will ever be a single thing that everyone on this site agrees on...except maybe that we all love Gaga! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanripley 86,575 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, RochestrMonstr said: Maybe commercially The Fame was her peak. But I definitely disagree about it being her peak artistically. I'll always have a soft spot for TF, but it's by far her worst album in my opinion. Most of the production on all the songs sounds the same, and there is more filler than any other album. Even the videos aren't as good as what came after (except Paparazzi). This is just my opinion, of course, but it just goes to show I don't think there will ever be a single thing that everyone on this site agrees on...except maybe that we all love Gaga! i think TFM totally leans towards her peak artistically and TF leans towards commercial peak (i mean, it's a debut album of a new pop star, it's gunna be crafted for commercial success since they don't want to invest in a waste ) https://goo.gl/xMgMvJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochestrMonstr 3,216 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, ryanripley said: i think TFM totally leans towards her peak artistically and TF leans towards commercial peak (i mean, it's a debut album of a new pop star, it's gunna be crafted for commercial success since they don't want to invest in a waste ) Ok I understand what you're saying. While I don't agree that TFM is necessarily her artistic peak, since I think Joanne, BTW, and ARTPOP are better albums, I definitely see what you mean about TF being more commercial in nature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LateToCult 40,896 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 12 hours ago, supercut said: i think gaga is now an album seller - no matter if the records themselves get hits or not. you see, perfect illusion had a moderate commercial success, but joanne still did 200k+ first week and is on track to reach 1,5kk sales worldwide, which are amazing numbers for the streaming era (specially considering the album only had 2 singles). also - she is a pretty strong ticket seller, which is a plus because that's where most part of an artist's profits come from. Album seller? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochestrMonstr 3,216 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 14 minutes ago, LateToCult2k17 said: Album seller? No other females have opened with 200k since Joanne came out almost a year ago. Even if it's not as good as her old sales, 1.5 million in 2017 is nothing to be disappointed with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giskardsb 12,565 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Pop music is not the pinnacle of her career, and certainly doesn't represent the apex of musical or artistic integrity. If the old Gaga fans who claim to be all about her artistry were genuine than you'd be ok with Gaga going as Avant garde as she wanted, sales be damned. As soon as you make comercial success a requirement then you are not really just concerned about "lack or artistry". Most of you would be happy with 50 versions of BR and the tenth generation disco stick as long as you could claim to outsell Taylor. I personally hope Gaga never returns to dance pop, if only to help some of you to move on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LateToCult 40,896 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 50 minutes ago, RochestrMonstr said: No other females have opened with 200k since Joanne came out almost a year ago. Even if it's not as good as her old sales, 1.5 million in 2017 is nothing to be disappointed with. Well that's because the music scene has been bleak this past year when it comes to female singers. Truthfully there hasn't been a solid female album since 25 and Lemonade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlot 5,772 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 14 hours ago, Swine said: It was only after BTW that we got some insight into her personal life: love, health and family. She became a celebrity rather than just a musician. The focus is now basically on her personal life, which was exactly what she avoided the most during TFM. And the overall image she/her team is now trying to convey is this "empathy for the sick/sad", which is honestly causing more damage than good. What is the purpose on revealing that she is dealing with drugs now, when she has been doing it her whole career? What's the objective by releasing a documentary where she addresses her sickness? It was Lupus, then her breakup with Taylor, the death of her friend, the fibromyalgia... There's always some serious, heavy subject on the news surrounding her. And that's not good... She's an artist. The main focus should be how good the music is, how visually interesting her videos are, how daring her performances are. People can relate to her sickness and sadness, but that's going to make them buy or like her artistry. i agree to an extent, i TOTALLY sympathies with what she's going through and i know that she talks about these problems to inspire people but sometimes it's better to keep things in the dark, idk it's just me i could be wrong tho + i think she needs a new team of professionals who know how to plan out an entire album cycle and how to keep the people interested Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimisaMonster 31,073 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 I agree with you on how Gaga has struggled to compromise her vision while dealing with her label, directors, etc... However, Gaga is at a point in life where she is exploring other avenues of artistry like acting to find "success" being that she's not #1 in music any more with all the one hit wonders on basic radio... Gaga may have been EXTREMELY successful early in her career, but she did have the perfect team to make that happen Boomkack, Troy, Vincent Herbert, Jimmy Iovine, Nicola, Tara etc... After BTW her entire team changed moving into the ARTPOP era Richh, Bobby, new Interscope CEO, and new fashion and make up artists...resulting in Gaga taking more control into her hands but execution lacked heavily as you mentioned in promo, singles, videos, tours, etc... I just don't know if she'll ever be the IT girl again, but we don't need to fear people will forget about her...she's become a living legend Stream my new single, 💜"Heartbeat"💜, on Spotify! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochestrMonstr 3,216 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 2 hours ago, LateToCult2k17 said: Well that's because the music scene has been bleak this past year when it comes to female singers. Truthfully there hasn't been a solid female album since 25 and Lemonade. That's your opinion. I'll take Melodrama and Rainbow over Lemonade or 25. (and i'll take Joanne over all of 'em). Just because something sold well doesn't make it good. That awful Pillowtalk song by the One Direction member was #1, but that certainly doesn't automatically make it a good song. Same with Despacito and that Ed Sheeran One. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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