Gaga has looked OFF since the PI era

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47 minutes ago, LateToCult2k17 said:

So I said she didn't really promote the song AFTER she released it.

I do think PI's lack of commercial success had some inpact on her. It did a free fall on the charts, which was a clear indicator that people weren't buying the song, they weren't streaming it, and they weren't watching the music video after its release. They may not have been dissing it on the same level as Perez was openly but their lack of support said loud and clear that people didn't like it. 

Maybe the song's success wasn't the only reason why Gaga seems affected on stage, but to say it played no role seems naïve. She's human like you and me. We always seek approval in one way or another from people and it affects us if something we worked hard on isn't appreciated.

and you mentioned BTW and ARTPOP but you're refusing to acknowledge that one sold 1 Million on its first week and the other sold more than 100k more than Joanne first week plus had Applause, which was a commercial success. So while critics were especially hard on those two, she still knew that people were consuming the music. Joanne had a more lukewarm reception and no solid song that people were enjoying until after the Super Bowl. I don't think it's possible for that to not have an effect on her confidence. Especially sing Joanne and PI were supposed to be her stripping down and being vulnerable.

She also did Cheek to Cheek before Joanne. So the drop from Born This Way to ARTPOP must have felt a lot bigger than the drop from ARTPOP to  Joanne since Cheek to Cheek was inbetween. Joanne also received better critics than both ARTPOP and Cheek to Cheek. 

I mean during ARTPOP mainstream media outlets were reporting the fake rumor that she made Interscope lose 25 million as if it was real. All the press had a negative undertone and it kept continuing into Cheek to Cheek. I remember one of the first reviews saying a hasbeen act was using an other artist for success and the hasbeen wasn't Tony but Gaga. The Sound Of Music tribute at the Oscars was really the first time in a very long time she received unanimous praise. ARTPOP was labeled and seen as a big flop. Perception is very important too. Cheek to Cheek and Joanne sold less but are actually contenders at the Grammy's for example. The negative press slowly started turning around during Cheek to Cheek and during Joanne the reviews might not all have been high but they did not publish any false rumors or mean articles just to attack her. 

She also tried to push Til It Happens To You to radio too by writing letters to radio stations and that didn't work either. So sure, she probably did have higher hopes for the popularity and critical aclaim of Joanne. But at that point in her career she was used to things not always being as succesful as you perhaps wished for. I'd say Perfect Illusion flopping really plays a very minor role in her mental health. And I do believe that during ARTPOP she learned to not relate the charts to her selfworth but just see it as a little bonus when that goes good. 

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3 minutes ago, Robinladen said:

She also did Cheek to Cheek before Joanne. So the drop from Born This Way to ARTPOP must have felt a lot bigger than the drop from ARTPOP to to Joanne since Cheek to Cheek was inbetween. Joanne also received better critics than both ARTPOP and Cheek to Cheek. 

I mean during ARTPOP mainstream media outlets were reporting the fake rumor that she made Interscope lose 25 million as if it was real. All the press had a negative undertone and it kept continuing into Cheek to Cheek. I remember one of the first reviews saying a hasbeen act was using an other artist for success and the hasbeen wasn't Tony but Gaga. The Sound Of Music tribute at the Oscars was really the first time in a very long time she received unanimous praise. ARTPOP was labeled and seen as a big flop. Perception is very important too. Cheek to Cheek and Joanne sold less but are actually contenders at the Grammy's for example. 

 

Cheek To Cheek was very different though. It was a collaboration so that would definitely take off some of the pressure. Plus there wasn't original material on that album. It was more of a personal side project than anything else. 

Also I believe The Lady Is A Tramp was well received so that was definitely a boost in confidence before CTC was even released.

 

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14 minutes ago, LateToCult2k17 said:

Cheek To Cheek was very different though. It was a collaboration so that would definitely take off some of the pressure. Plus there wasn't original material on that album. It was more of a personal side project than anything else. 

Also I believe The Lady Is A Tramp was well received so that was definitely a boost in confidence before CTC was even released.

 

Yeah but it would have been a LOT different if Cheek to Cheek didn't happen cause the media would have been ready to roast her next pop album after ARTPOP. They say you're only as good as your last project and now her last projects were Cheek to Cheek and the Oscars. There was a positive vibe but I'd say there wasn't much pressure for the Joanne era either. With Born This Way the pressure must have been huge and with Applause she also still thought a Lady Gaga leadsingle would always go #1. But now post ARTPOP no one expected her to smash. She never had any Perfect Illusion promo planned, they plan promo in advance, it was a clear decision from the start to not perform the single and not a decision based on the song underperforming. And she filmed a low budget video for it. She just let it be. 

I also really don't see how she would be sad during late 2016 at all. What exactly makes you all think that during that time she was down? I do get that vibe at Coachella too (but there it could be explained because of Sonja and physical pain), but to say it started during Perfect Illusion, I don't see it.

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I do remember some members here saying something was wrong with her cause she struggled so much in every PI live performance, then at Coachella she seemed so tired and not into it at all and now this; I'm truly worried about her  

[Regina George 59,387]

Yea right.. now everyone noticed something but when I said something is wrong and she is not herself - I got a lot of hate.. Just stop and don't make me contradict y'all with receipts.. 

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[alejandreaux 1,053]

y'all are always so quick to ignore how open she is about struggling with depression and anxiety. dealing with things like that makes it really hard for people to let their guard down and enjoy the moment. 

[RochestrMonstr 3,216]

I think it was the ARTPOP era interviews where she seemed "off" (my picture is one of them). 

I think she has seemed very down to earth this time around. 

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8 hours ago, Samuel Watson said:

She was ****ed on cocaine during coachella. End of. She was so high and aggressive, that is all. Don't use that to state where she is in her life , we've all been weird on drugs .... 

And you know that because...?

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8 hours ago, Samuel Watson said:

She was ****ed on cocaine during coachella. End of. She was so high and aggressive, that is all. Don't use that to state where she is in her life , we've all been weird on drugs .... 

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[Benji 20,113]

I actually think she's looked better and healthier in the Joanne era than she did all throughout the ARTPOP era 

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TBH I think it was the breakup with Taylor. I mean listen to the PI lyrics, they are heartbreaking, even MR. Also the stress with everything that was going on. She probably knew around that time that the Superbowl might be happening and she also had to prepare for ASIB and knew at that time that she was going to tour around that time. Not only that but also the fact that the album felt more personal and she did not know how it was going to be received and it was hard to predict. It is a lot of pressure for anyone. I guess we will have answers when we see 5F2. At least I hope so. 

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On 15/9/2017 at 7:11 AM, LateToCult2k17 said:

I've definitely noticed it too. I think it's because  she had really high hopes for PI. She probably thought it was going to bang as soon as it came out and that it was going to be like her comeback single, but when it ended up being a colossal failure and the media and fans made it clear that they didn't like the song, it really hurt her. It would definitely explain why PI got next to no promo once it was out. I'd imagine she decided that it would be too damaging to continue to promote a song that nobody really liked, which probably left her extremely self-conscious about the rest of Joanne.

Now it's almost like she's careful of how she carries herself on stage because she knows that people will be quick to judge and scrutinize everything she does. They did it before, but Gaga always had something to fall back on (e.g her sales, critical acclaim, thousands of vocal supporting fans) and now she doesn't have that at the same level as she did with TF/TFM, BTW, ARTPOP, and CTC.

It's a tough era honestly but it's what happens when you take a gamble. Nothing we or she can really do except ride it out. The good thing about Gaga is that she's always evolving her sound so it's not like she'll be stuck in this rut forever. And on the bright side the Super Bowl helped solidify her image as a performer in the GP's eyes (although I don't think Gaga truly realizes this, which makes her still self conscious about what she does on stage).

All of that mixed with her pain, heartbreak, and depression, it's no wonder she's not the same on the stage anymore. 

Perfect Illusion's promo never started 

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8 hours ago, Samuel Watson said:

She was ****ed on cocaine during coachella. End of. She was so high and aggressive, that is all. Don't use that to state where she is in her life , we've all been weird on drugs ...

 

The woman who lectures her costume department because the hem changed on one of her outfits without her knowing about it, wouldn't risk f*cking up a huge show by getting off her head on cocaine. She is a professional and a perfectionist. She may have smoked a joint on stage in the past, but there's a big difference between weed and coke. 

[Slayer 9,227]

I agree, something hasn't felt right with her lately. Her performances are better than ever, but in interviews she seems a lot less energetic and less confident, like something is always at the back of her mind. And she tends to have this forlorn look on her face a lot. I also think her "dressed down" outfits are a direct result of her not feeling confident in herself anymore.

I imagine it is a mix of her PTSD and fibromyalgia. She is clearly in a lot of physical and emotional pain. After this tour I think she needs a very long rest. Maybe she should come back in 3-5 years when she has come to terms with everything that's happened to her. She clearly wasn't as ready for fame as she thought she was, and now the fame monster has completely devoured her. She needs time to crawl her way back out, find peace, and rediscover the strength she used to have before fame kicked her ass.