Bernie Sanders brushes off criticism from Hillary Clinton’s campaign memoir

[MJHolland 12,725]

Ah yes, why would we look back at mistakes and try to learn from the past 

1 hour ago, LibraLove said:

What's lame is blaming everyone and their mother for your stunning loss of an easily winnable election to a complete bafoon that you and your party/media cronies elevated through a failed "pied piper" strategy instead of just owning up that you ****ed up and are in fact a weak, terrible candidate that never should've been propped up in the first place. 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

29 minutes ago, LibraLove said:

He didn't do any bs 🤷🏻‍♂️ He challenged his scandal-ridden opponent in an incredibly tilted primary. Sorry it wasn't walk in the park like she expected, but when you have a multi-decade long list of scandals and shady situations, your past speaks for itself. She continues to dwell on the past and is doing nothing for progress. The best possible thing she could do is just go away. 

Mr. Sanders did irreparable harm to Hillary and the Democratic Party. He launched vicious attack after attack on her character, put out entirely unrealistic and crude plans just for the sole purpose of "one-upping" her, was a b*tch to coordinate with on the campaign trail (e.g. he would tell us he'd commit to event X and then bailed the day before), etc. 

Not only was Bernie an ungracious loser (Hillary blew him out of the damn water with how professionally and graciously he conceded her MUCH CLOSER loser to Obama in the 2008 primaries), he intentionally failed to mobilize his obnoxious Bernie Bros behind her. He said the Secretary was unqualified to be president.... I am sorry but if you don't see that as a sexist, chauvinistic attack then I want whatever you're smoking... 

At the end of the day, Bernie played coy to the large faction of his supporters that refused to vote for Hillary Clinton or even cast a vote for Trump (which there were admittedly less of). 

How Hillary acted after her much closer defeat to then Sen. Obama just shows how much more class and patriotism she truly has, as is why she would have been an incredibly more effective president that moody old Bernie who acted like a grumpy grouch when he didn't win. That's not the temperament of a good president - that's the temperament of Trump. 

[shmal96 2,928]

Honestly sick 

29 minutes ago, SEANGT said:

The fact that her just saying what happened is so politicized is really annoying. He came for her and played politics to try and win the primary. It contributed to bad attitudes towards her. Its not a big deal. Open your mind to a nuanced explanation for once. She admits she made mistakes and is responsible. She goes into all her other hardships as well. Just stop hating on her Jesus Christ

Exactly. And I'm sick of seeing people still think that Bernie was the perfect candidate and Clinton's was just as bad as Trump. 

Everything that is happening with the Trump administration right now: whether that's hating on immigrants, Muslims, rolling back Climate change notions, stomping on LGBT rights, threatening war with NK, supreme court, and general incompetency, Democrats said would happen. And I'm sure lots of people who are angry at what this administration is doing, are the people who sat out the election or did a write in/third party because they Clinton wasn't the perfect candidate for them (aka Bernie)they're just as complicit ad Trump voters are in this whole mess. You can't be angry at what going on if you had a change to not have it happen in the first place. 

[MJHolland 12,725]

8 minutes ago, bumblebee said:

Well he obviously contributed to the collection of Hillary criticism. It was his job as her opponent in the primaries to present valid arguments against her nomination. And because the debates were public, it was expected that Republicans will use Bernie's key lines against Clinton. 

However, she could have learnt a lot from her campaign against Bernie. While she dominated him in all of the swinging states, and his success came largely from the red states which were never to support a Democratic candidate in the general election,  she lost some of the blue states to Bernie, too, namely:

Washington, Oregon, Minnesota, Wisconsin,  Michigan

An in-depth analysis of those losses could have focused her attention on Michigan and Wisconsin. 

This is absolutely false and is what went wrong in 2016...

In a Democratic primary, you're supposed to present the argument as to why YOUR plan/vision is best for the country; you're not supposed to attack your opponent and call her "unqualified" to be president the day you find out you're likely not going to clinch the nomination (which is what grumpy old Bernie did). 

But because of the fact that Bernie is not in fact a Democrat, he didn't and still does not care if Democrats are elected. We should have never let him run in our party in the first place. He betrayed us when he let his nasty negative attitude impact his  race with, and eventual concession to, Secretary Clinton. 

[Juvi 1,639]

12 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

Ah yes, why would we look back at mistakes and try to learn from the past 

 

Mr. Sanders did irreparable harm to Hillary and the Democratic Party. He launched vicious attack after attack on her character, put out entirely unrealistic and crude plans just for the sole purpose of "one-upping" her, was a b*tch to coordinate with on the campaign trail (e.g. he would tell us he'd commit to event X and then bailed the day before), etc. 

Not only was Bernie an ungracious loser (Hillary blew him out of the damn water with how professionally and graciously he conceded her MUCH CLOSER loser to Obama in the 2008 primaries), he intentionally failed to mobilize his obnoxious Bernie Bros behind her. He said the Secretary was unqualified to be president.... I am sorry but if you don't see that as a sexist, chauvinistic attack then I want whatever you're smoking... 

At the end of the day, Bernie played coy to the large faction of his supporters that refused to vote for Hillary Clinton or even cast a vote for Trump (which there were admittedly less of). 

How Hillary acted after her much closer defeat to then Sen. Obama just shows how much more class and patriotism she truly has, as is why she would have been an incredibly more effective president that moody old Bernie who acted like a grumpy grouch when he didn't win. That's not the temperament of a good president - that's the temperament of Trump. 

7 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

This is absolutely false and is what went wrong in 2016...

In a Democratic primary, you're supposed to present the argument as to why YOUR plan/vision is best for the country; you're not supposed to attack your opponent and call her "unqualified" to be president the day you find out you're likely not going to clinch the nomination (which is what grumpy old Bernie did). 

But because of the fact that Bernie is not in fact a Democrat, he didn't and still does not care if Democrats are elected. We should have never let him run in our party in the first place. He betrayed us when he let his nasty negative attitude impact his  race with, and eventual concession to, Secretary Clinton. 

 

10 minutes ago, shmal96 said:

Honestly sick 

Exactly. And I'm sick of seeing people still think that Bernie was the perfect candidate and Clinton's was just as bad as Trump. 

Everything that is happening with the Trump administration right now: whether that's hating on immigrants, Muslims, rolling back Climate change notions, stomping on LGBT rights, threatening war with NK, supreme court, and general incompetency, Democrats said would happen. And I'm sure lots of people who are angry at what this administration is doing, are the people who sat out the election or did a write in/third party because they Clinton wasn't the perfect candidate for them (aka Bernie)they're just as complicit ad Trump voters are in this whole mess. You can't be angry at what going on if you had a change to not have it happen in the first place. 

thanks you two for wording, what I thought all this time, so eloquent! 

I love the two of you, you can't even believe it.... I always had to get angry at the ignorance I had to face when I talked in Clintons favour against ANYBODY! Thank you very much!

[Emvee 8,829]

57 minutes ago, Juvi said:

b!tch please........ saying "let's look forward" is the basic responde to when somebody calls out the bs you did in the past -.-'

No, "b!tch," looking back at the election and blaming everyone else for your own failure to appeal to progressives, independents, and borderline Republicans is the most basic thing you can do. It's pathetic. 

Bernie Sanders kept the race policy-based for the most part, but it was his right to call out the DNC and call out Hillary for her Wall Street relationships. It DIRECTLY affects policy. 

It was his right to run. This "he's not us" bullshit is elistist as fck. It's an affront to democracy on such an obvious and elementary level and it's laughable that anyone would support the idea that we should restrict the ability to run for office based on who you are and who you know. It's what is so fcked with this two party system. 

[bumblebee 2,528]

5 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

This is absolutely false and is what went wrong in 2016...

In a Democratic primary, you're supposed to present the argument as to why YOUR plan/vision is best for the country; you're not supposed to attack your opponent and call her "unqualified" to be president the day you find out you're likely not going to clinch the nomination (which is what grumpy old Bernie did). 

But because of the fact that Bernie is not in fact a Democrat, he didn't and still does not care if Democrats are elected. We should have never let him run in our party in the first place. He betrayed us when he let his nasty negative attitude impact his  race with, and eventual concession to, Secretary Clinton. 

Presenting the argument as to why somebody's vision is best for the country is the ideal model and a bit naive hoping considering the way politics are run even in the USA. I totally agree with you that this is how it should be, but sadly this is not the way it is and since primaries means competing for nomination the candidates often attack each other. Whenever somebody gets into the election cycle, the person must be prepared for even the worst tactics used against him/her. It is not prohibited legally. 

Secondly, Bernie indeed is not a member of the Democratic Party. Much like Trump was not a member of the Republican Party. So it sort of points to that fact that the candidates in the USA are sort of forced to align with one of the major parties to get elected, and that little is done for the evolution of the two party system. 

However, the two question regarding Bernie and his performance in the Democratic Party should be asked.

1. Why did his message/campaign attract so many voters in the Democratic platform? 

2. Was the DNC committee itself good and respectful enough to the candidate who was already allowed to run in the party and managed to attract so many votes of the Democrats?

[LibraLove 1,281]

9 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

Ah yes, why would we look back at mistakes and try to learn from the past 

 

Mr. Sanders did irreparable harm to Hillary and the Democratic Party. He launched vicious attack after attack on her character, put out entirely unrealistic and crude plans just for the sole purpose of "one-upping" her, was a b*tch to coordinate with on the campaign trail (e.g. he would tell us he'd commit to event X and then bailed the day before), etc. 

Not only was Bernie an ungracious loser (Hillary blew him out of the damn water with how professionally and graciously he conceded her MUCH CLOSER loser to Obama in the 2008 primaries), he intentionally failed to mobilize his obnoxious Bernie Bros behind her. He said the Secretary was unqualified to be president.... I am sorry but if you don't see that as a sexist, chauvinistic attack then I want whatever you're smoking... 

At the end of the day, Bernie played coy to the large faction of his supporters that refused to vote for Hillary Clinton or even cast a vote for Trump (which there were admittedly less of). 

How Hillary acted after her much closer defeat to then Sen. Obama just shows how much more class and patriotism she truly has, as is why she would have been an incredibly more effective president that moody old Bernie who acted like a grumpy grouch when he didn't win. That's not the temperament of a good president - that's the temperament of Trump. 

You're literally rehashing talking points from her book. How original. 😂😂😂

The primary and media coverage was blatantly tilted to favor her. He had an unfair uphill battle. Who wouldn't be grouchy about that? Who wouldn't be grouchy to see the party openly being outed about actively working against you, anointing her with a stupid, irrelevant "lead" of super delegates who should've switched to him at the convention, kicking voters off the roll in areas that leaned toward him and lied and smeared him constantly (fighting and chairs thrown at the Nevada Convention) etc? Hell, they just stopped counting the votes in California with warehouses full of ballots left alone. 

He challenged her. Like opponents do. Again, sorry it wasn't a walk in the park like she expected. If you don't want your shoddy record or your past challenged, then get out of politics. If you want to be in politics, take ownership of your screw ups. Many of which she had and continued to do on the campaign trail.

I definitely wouldn't say Hillary was "classy" in 2008 with her campaign circulating a photo of Obama in a turbin and calling his supporters "Obama Boys," a borderline racist connotation. She "graciously" stepped aside because she knew she'd be handed the placeholder seat o Secretary of State. That was nice of Obama to do. What did she do for her opponent? Absolutely ****ing nothing!

It's not his job to garner votes - it's her's, which she failed at doing. Maybe she actually should've campaigned instead of shmoozing with celebrities and bankers? If she actually cared about garner in votes and bringing his in, she would've made him Vice President, but she couldn't be upstaged. That's why she chose an irrelevant, forgettable nobody like Kaine. 

[LibraLove 1,281]

20 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

This is absolutely false and is what went wrong in 2016...

In a Democratic primary, you're supposed to present the argument as to why YOUR plan/vision is best for the country; you're not supposed to attack your opponent and call her "unqualified" to be president the day you find out you're likely not going to clinch the nomination (which is what grumpy old Bernie did). 

But because of the fact that Bernie is not in fact a Democrat, he didn't and still does not care if Democrats are elected. We should have never let him run in our party in the first place. He betrayed us when he let his nasty negative attitude impact his  race with, and eventual concession to, Secretary Clinton. 

Because he totally didn't go out on a Unity Tour with the party Chair and actively fundraisers and campaigns for democrats at congressional and lower levels. Please. 🙄

[Juvi 1,639]

5 minutes ago, New Compassion said:

No, "b!tch," looking back at the election and blaming everyone else for your own failure to appeal to progressives, independents, and borderline Republicans is the most basic thing you can do. It's pathetic. 

Bernie Sanders kept the race policy-based for the most part, but it was his right to call out the DNC and call out Hillary for her Wall Street relationships. It DIRECTLY affects policy. 

It was his right to run. This "he's not us" bullshit is elistist as fck. It's an affront to democracy on such an obvious and elementary level and it's laughable that anyone would support the idea that we should restrict the ability to run for office based on who you are and who you know. It's what is so fcked with this two party system. 

girl.......... you broke your hip doing this reach*?! I don't feel responsible for it so I'm not paying 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*reach as in: "where do you come from with your comment, that has nothing to do with mine?! -.-'"

[Morphine Prince 109,655]

Classy response. As expected.

[Bebe 17,289]

Good response  

As Hillary continues to smear Bernie as a fake Democrat, non-serious 'disrupter' candidate. Bernie is aware the primaries are well over, and is focusing on more than his ex-political opponent. 

As Hillary sweeps her far more personal and groundless 'bernie-bro' smear, her "it’s not unusual for someone who has an extreme message to have a following” smear, her 'Bernie's campaign manager is a sexist for saying I would make a good VP - even though that's a common saying by opponents that I personally said about Obama in our primary!" smear, her “There are some who say that this [gun violence] is an urban problem. Sometimes what they mean by that is: It’s a black problem. But it’s not." smear, her campaigns "Bernie sympathised with the USSR during the cold war and with communist dictators" smear and her “Honestly, Senator Sanders is the only person who I think would characterize me, a woman running to be the first woman president, as exemplifying the establishment” smear under the rug, Bernie is actively working to resist against Trump.

What was Bernie's smear? Were his critiques of her ties with wall street harsh 'smears'? I like how any criticism of Hillary's financial ties with wall street (something Obama also mentioned heavily when he ran against her) is now a 'smear'  

 

[MarryTheAngel 551]

I love that Bernie Bros is somehow a cogent concept that is in regular usage amongst liberals...

[Redstreak 6,653]

Now THAT is my president  

[Morphine Prince 109,655]

1 hour ago, MarryTheAngel said:

I love that Bernie Bros is somehow a cogent concept that is in regular usage amongst liberals...

I find it hilarious how many who use it try to paint all Sanders supporters as misogynist basement dwellers

 

[Goosey 3,017]

8 hours ago, MJHolland said:

Mr. Sanders did irreparable harm to Hillary and the Democratic Party. 

No, she did it to herself just by being 'Hillary', and they did it to themselves, by playing dirty tricks on him and unfairly favoring a LOSER candidate.