Is this the worst song of the year?

[LordEnigma 11,313]

56 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Exactly. Women aren't afforded the same luxury and they should. And we're not going to get it if we conform to what men want us to do. Agreed, men need to step up and speak out...but so many don't because society is actively discouraging them from doing so. They don't know if it's the right thing to do because women might want to do that, that they'll get accused of wanting to stifle women's right to free expression or they don't want to be accused of "white knighting" or be called a p*ssy or a cuck or something. Peer pressure is a powerful thing. Nobody wants to be that guy who complains about something that everyone else is fine with. So, until we can begin changing the sexist attitudes many men have, women have to start speaking up more, saying no to degradation and defending themselves. It won't work if only 50% of the population speak up. This isn't about bringing women down. It's about the exact opposite. It's about telling them they deserve better and yet you're twisting it by saying I'm bringing women down. I don't know how you reached that conclusion.

This is just going in circles.

I feel that people need to stop criticizing women who show their bodies and start criticizing the men who sexualize every aspect of a woman...

Its like the rape situation. People tell girls at an early age to dress appropriately, not to stay out too late, don't get too drunk when we ACTUALLY need to be telling boys to not rape women 

[StrawberryBlond 14,819]

18 hours ago, Alexander Levi said:

This is just going in circles.

I feel that people need to stop criticizing women who show their bodies and start criticizing the men who sexualize every aspect of a woman...

Its like the rape situation. People tell girls at an early age to dress appropriately, not to stay out too late, don't get too drunk when we ACTUALLY need to be telling boys to not rape women 

Yes, of course the man should get criticised but nothing will change if women still allow themselves to be sexualised afterwards. If you send out a casting call for a video asking for 20 women to show up in bikinis to twerk and only 2 show up, well, that's going to send a very strong message to the men who want to create that video. That message being: "Women don't want to sexualise themselves to this extreme anymore." So, they just use the 2 girls and if the public aren't watching the video or hitting like (or even better, hitting dislike), that's going to send an even stronger message and one that will truly be listened to. You've got to hit them where it hurts - their bank balance and their commercial success.

How is this in any way similar to the rape situation? I'm not suggesting that boys shouldn't be taught not to rape but merely that girls also learn about how to keep themselves safe even so. You can't tell the boys not to rape and then leave it at that, you've really got to teach them, go into the reasons why. And remember that no matter how well they're educated, some just won't listen, especially if they're not getting the right message at home and are consuming negative media. So, you have to have the girls be prepared to keep themselves safe from the ones who don't listen. It is wildly irresponsible to teach boys not to rape but not teach the girls anything in conjunction and just assume that no rape will ever occur. It's on par with teaching girls and boys separately concerning puberty talks. They need to be taught together and not be in two separate camps.

[LordEnigma 11,313]

1 minute ago, StrawberryBlond said:

How is this in any way similar to the rape situation? I'm not suggesting that boys shouldn't be taught not to rape but merely that girls also learn about how to keep themselves safe even so. You can't tell the boys not to rape and then leave it at that, you've really got to teach them, go into the reasons why. And remember that no matter how well they're educated, some just won't listen, especially if they're not getting the right message at home and are consuming negative media. So, you have to have the girls be prepared to keep themselves safe from the ones who don't listen. It is wildly irresponsible to teach boys not to rape but not teach the girls anything in conjunction and just assume that no rape will ever occur. It's on par with teaching girls and boys separately concerning puberty talks. They need to be taught together and not be in two separate camps.

However, women will get raped no matter what they wear and it's sexist to tell girls to cover their bodies because they are enticing men to them. It's not true. One of my coworkers got raped sitting in her PJs while she was studying one night.

And OBVIOUSLY I don't think the only education is to tell boys not to rape... do you think I'm really that dumb?  They need extensive education about the consequences, sexism, etc. etc.

[StrawberryBlond 14,819]

Just now, Alexander Levi said:

However, women will get raped no matter what they wear and it's sexist to tell girls to cover their bodies because they are enticing men to them. It's not true. One of my coworkers got raped sitting in her PJs while she was studying one night.

And OBVIOUSLY I don't think the only education is to tell boys not to rape... do you think I'm really that dumb?  They need extensive education about the consequences, sexism, etc. etc.

I didn't say anything about them covering their bodies. That's a big assumption and always the first one that people jump to. No, I mean stuff like limiting how much they drink, especially when out in public so that they're less likely to pass out and be taken advantage of, as well as covering/holding their drink at all times and not accepting drinks from strangers. In addition, making sure that they have enough charge in their phone and money for travel if they go out so they're not stranded alone at night and vulnerable and might even have to walk home. And obviously, discouraging them from getting so drunk that they're not even aware of where they are if they are out in public, because that can lead to all manner of mishaps and not getting home. That kind of thing. And this should be standard practice for everyone, not just women. So many young people get drunk, start walking home and pass out, falling into a ditch or dying from hypothermia. I'm only 27 and I'm shocked at how cavalier my generation are towards their own safety. Keeping themselves safe and potential dangers don't even enter their mind.

[Esteban 2,300]

On 03/09/2017 at 11:06 AM, kyanewest said:

Hip hop is in the worst state that it's ever been, not just that but also Chris Brown, he has so much talent and he throws it all away for some **** like this. He's also in the worst state than he's ever been and it's gonna sound morbid but I wouldn't be surprised if something really bad happens to him in 2018. Sad

I don't think so, there is very good hip hop artists into cloud rap, hip hop hardcore, grime, chill hip hop, classic hip hop, trapstep and even in "basic trap".

For example: Run the jewels, Vald, Wiley, Ho99o9, Death grips, Skepta, Dope dod, The underachievers, Virus Syndicate, Flatbush zombies, Danny Brown, Mr Carmack, Stupeflip, Asap rocky, Asap ferg, The bug, A tribe called quest, Grup ses, Ghetts and many others...

Its just this kind of commercial hip hop like Chris Brown and cie. is the new pop, a kind of hip-pop , more than a genre pop music is a type of production and an industry ant it evolves with the tastes and demands of the popular mass and young people.

True hip hop is marginal in the meaning, it's not only greedy songs about cash, drugs and sex (or in this case its very cynical) this themes are more the themes of pop.

But there will always be great hip hop and good music, we just have to search elsewhere

[LordEnigma 11,313]

12 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I didn't say anything about them covering their bodies. That's a big assumption and always the first one that people jump to. No, I mean stuff like limiting how much they drink, especially when out in public so that they're less likely to pass out and be taken advantage of, as well as covering/holding their drink at all times and not accepting drinks from strangers. In addition, making sure that they have enough charge in their phone and money for travel if they go out so they're not stranded alone at night and vulnerable and might even have to walk home. And obviously, discouraging them from getting so drunk that they're not even aware of where they are if they are out in public, because that can lead to all manner of mishaps and not getting home. That kind of thing. And this should be standard practice for everyone, not just women. So many young people get drunk, start walking home and pass out, falling into a ditch or dying from hypothermia. I'm only 27 and I'm shocked at how cavalier my generation are towards their own safety. Keeping themselves safe and potential dangers don't even enter their mind.

Then why are we also not teaching men to limit their amount of drinking to reduce aggression or holding themselves back from rape?

If this type of safety education was geared to everyone, then yes. But it's aimed towards women because it's "their fault" for getting too drunk and getting raped... some people even saying the guy is the victim.

This danger has been worse before our generation. You just heard about it less than we do now.

[Patrickern777 601]

no, the worst song of the year is Katy Perry - Bon apetit
but this one is a good runner-up

[Anduin 1,034]

I want the Chris Brown of my childhood to  come back 

This  Chris Brown 

 

 

 

[Eurotrash 1,621]

No, It's this song actually!

 

[StrawberryBlond 14,819]

10 minutes ago, Alexander Levi said:

Then why are we also not teaching men to limit their amount of drinking to reduce aggression or holding themselves back from rape?

If this type of safety education was geared to everyone, then yes. But it's aimed towards women because it's "their fault" for getting too drunk and getting raped... some people even saying the guy is the victim.

This danger has been worse before our generation. You just heard about it less than we do now.

Yes, I am advocating for safety lectures for everyone. And also, it shouldn't just be a man/woman thing - we need to also teach that a man can be raped by another man or by a woman and that women can rape women as well. These are issues that are really taboo and need to be brought up because some people cite these situations as "not really rape." So, women can't just be exempt from classes on why not to rape.

Absolutely, women should not be framed as the one at fault in such classes. Though, I don't know how it is in America but in any kind of talk involving this stuff that I got at school, it was impressed upon us constantly that it's not your fault.

And of course it was the same level/worse in the past but it was covered up. But the young of that generation still operated differently. My mum was a teenager in the 60's and they didn't drink to excess, they didn't stay out all night, they didn't go back to strangers houses for one night stands because they realised that stuff was dangerous. You see many people from my parents generation be sad for how it is now because the young are putting themselves at so much risk and don't seem to realise it.

[LordEnigma 11,313]

2 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Yes, I am advocating for safety lectures for everyone. And also, it shouldn't just be a man/woman thing - we need to also teach that a man can be raped by another man or by a woman and that women can rape women as well. These are issues that are really taboo and need to be brought up because some people cite these situations as "not really rape." So, women can't just be exempt from classes on why not to rape.

Absolutely, women should not be framed as the one at fault in such classes. Though, I don't know how it is in America but in any kind of talk involving this stuff that I got at school, it was impressed upon us constantly that it's not your fault.

And of course it was the same level/worse in the past but it was covered up. But the young of that generation still operated differently. My mum was a teenager in the 60's and they didn't drink to excess, they didn't stay out all night, they didn't go back to strangers houses for one night stands because they realised that stuff was dangerous. You see many people from my parents generation be sad for how it is now because the young are putting themselves at so much risk and don't seem to realise it.

I'm not so sure of your last statement. You can't base those conclusions off your parents anecdotes.

[AlexanderMagno 10,746]

The song speaks nothing to me to be honest. It's not the worst, but only because it's so forgettable just a poop in the middle of all the poops.

To be honest, I find some Katy Perry releases this year to be much worse in the middle of the poops, it's the smelliest.

 

Anyway, when was Chris Brown considered talented or had good music?

[StrawberryBlond 14,819]

3 minutes ago, Alexander Levi said:

I'm not so sure of your last statement. You can't base those conclusions off your parents anecdotes.

Of course my parents don't represent everyone but they assure me that everyone they knew was the same. Not everyone was in a crazy Free Love stage in the 60's, things were still very conservative. And also, growing up in Britain, where rationing went on quite a while after the war, alcohol was expensive and hard to come by, so young people who were still at school or were on a minimum wage job, couldn't afford it. Again, maybe alcohol was more accessible and sexual relations were a bit more freewheeling in America at this time, but where I'm from, things were a lot more uniform. I remember people of my age watching Grease and they were all: "Are you sure this was meant to be set in the 50's? High schools weren't that big back then and teenagers didn't dress like that or do those things." But that's because America was much richer and had more opportunities than Britain, so our national history lesson of the 50's was a lot more spartan and conservative.