Is Gaga in creative crisis?

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12 hours ago, Sailor said:

Gaga is in her own league. Her competition is edgy comedy (I'm looking at you, Taylor Swift), and memes (Katy, don't try it).

When you look at what she's doing in comparison, that girl is on a Grammy-shaped roll.

In a nutshell, right on point.

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6 minutes ago, JohnnyVersace said:

Ok I hear that. The music itself is straight-forward, I would agree. 

My argument I guess is that the overall theme, combining art and pop into the mainstream, and the way she attempted to execute it, is experimental. And her commitment to it and attempting to live her life following suit was experimental. She was dressing up as famous art pieces, and really trying to sell the message through her aesthetic and appearances. 

Music is art by itself. The whole theme of ARTPOP was that the album was about a bit of everything, it was a fun creation with a lot of diversity and more immature themes (and that's what made it fun and intersting). 

It was still her most commercial work and Gaga actually really wanted to ''play'' with a commercial sound and use it to create whatever came down her head.  I respect the album a lot and I don;t believe that Gaga didn't have inspiration, she did what she wanted to do. The fact that the Era got messd up doesn't mean that the album wasn't inspiring.

So yes, I share your love for the album but I believe that calling ARTPOP experimental is justx a wrong statement (even for Pop music standarts). It had quality and personality though.

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I'm really getting bored of these "Joanne is uninspired", "Joanne is bland", "Joanne is ****" threads. It's okay to voice your opinion, but making a thread about it every day is slowly getting kind of old, don't you think? 

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On 8/30/2017 at 0:53 PM, Whispering said:

The lyrics to classic songs aren't "deep" enough...songs that have stood the test of time for decades now. That statement alone negated everything else in the OP. 

This 

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Gaga writes pop bop: Omg where is MY GaGa
Gaga writes personal music: Omg where is MY GaGa

 

 

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On 8/31/2017 at 2:46 AM, Bebe said:

I know it's been said, i don't want to beat a dead horse, but I'm kind of in shock that you just bashed the work of America's most celebrated songwriters by basically calling their work shallow  Those songs are American classics and standards  

I think it does speak to the overall feeling I got while reading your OP though - which is that I think you are confusing personal taste with objective quality. You like uptempo electro-pop songs which is fine, but it doesn't mean songs that aren't to your taste lack in creativity.

I just see you criticising songs like Perfect Illusion for being repetitive in its chorus, when you could say that about basically any Gaga single:
 
"Can't read my, can't read my, no he can't read my poker face (she's got me like nobody). Can't read my, can't read my, no he can't read my poker face (she's got me like nobody). P-p-p-poker face, p-p-poker face. P-p-p-poker face, p-p-poker face."

"I want it bad, you're bad romance. I want your love and I want your revenge you and me could write a bad romance, I want your love and all your lover's revenge you and me could write a bad romance. WOoooaah caught in a bad romance. WOooooaah caught in a bad romance."

"Ooh there aint no other way, baby I was born this way, baby I was born this way (born this way), ooh there aint no other way, baby I was born this way, I'm on the right track baby I was born this way."

"I live for the applause, applause, applause, I live for the applause-plause, live for the applause-plause, live for the way that you cheer and scream for me, the applause, applause, applause".

She writes pop music with catchy hooks, repetition is a part of that.

Perfect Illusion has some clever lyrics, on par with her previous work:

"I don't need eyes to see, I felt you touchin me, high like amphetamine, maybe you're just a dream, that's what it means to crush, now that I'm waking up, I still feel the blow but at least now I know it wasn't love. It wasn't love. It was a perfect illusion."

The whole verse paints a picture where she compares this 'love' with a drug induced hallucination that wasn't real ("I don't need eyes to see" purposefully sounds like "I don't need ecstacy", comparisons to dreams/hallucinations and coming down/waking up, crush is both a reference to that initial feeling of infatuation with someone and crushing pills, she still feels the 'blow' comparing the love to a gust of wind that blows someone of their feet but also to cocaine that's also know as blow).

Whether you like the drug references it paints a vivid picture, draws some interesting parallels and includes some clever word play.

I think the rest of Joanne is well written too  I think many of the songs on Joanne have stronger lyrics than 'The Cure' which is pretty straight forward lyrically.. Far more straightforward than any song on Joanne.

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lady gaga has easily one of the most loyal fan bases out there !

she is focusing on growing as an artist with her fans growing in taste and age . and she is slowly transitioning to an actress .

t's not about looks anymore it's about pure art ,  she can shock the world again and make electro bops but she doesn't want that she is proving herself a true talented vocalist leading her to longevity .

 

 

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On 8/30/2017 at 11:06 AM, Sassy Eros said:

Are you telling me those songs aren't hers,but only covers?

my life is a lie

Why did you think they're called "jazz standards"? It wasn't a superlative she made up lol Sidenote: Lush Life has immensely deep lyrics, and Everytime We Say Goodbye's are beautifully poetic.

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Here's the thing, we don't really know how much control she has over the material released under her name. Did she pick the genre of Joanne? was it her decision alone? were the tracks all entirely written by her? how much of what she says in interviews is true? how much has she changed and how much could she be hiding? how far does her label's hand get into the material she releases? because all those are huge factors regarding what material is released under any artist's name. Some labels interfere thinking one song or genre is more marketable than the other or more trendy to release now..etc. just like picking singles and the types of music videos..etc.

I know that Lady Gaga gives us the impression that she has the upper hand in everything, and I'm not saying she's a liar or fake or anything, but no artist ever really says that they're manufactured or that their works were picked for them by their label or that they're not allowed to release the song that you don't even know about..etc. so there's so much that goes behind the scenes that we know nothing about. We just hear statements and reports that could be true or false, and that's the reality of it. We're all mesmerized by the image of the artist that we love and understandably so that we can't imagine the possibility that what's behind them is a whole different story, and given the nature of celebrities, they make so many statements because they have to or because they're told to do so or to avoid certain criticism or misunderstanding, not to mention how many unconfirmed stories about them there are. 

There's also the possibility that she might have picked something different to try to gain new fans, to avoid the idea that Gaga is just the singer of the gays who sings pop. She might have tried with more country and rock influences to appeal to newer audiences or to whisk herself away from the idea that she's that lady with weird outfits or the one who only sings about acceptance and empowerment.

Another thing is that each artist be it a writer, actor, director, singer, lyricist, sculptor, video game developer, dancer can only create new things for so long. It's rare to see artists continuously presenting new and original elements that the world responds to. Some works are underrated and under-appreciated, that's for sure while others are just not of a high quality to the majority of people and sometimes artist are quite excited at the start of their career and then take their success for granted, knowing that they can sell anything just because it has their name on it and sometimes artists go through a creative crisis like you said, so it could be any of those reasons. Even writers sometimes face a writers block and feel that they're unable to write or imagine enough events to continue what they're writing.

There's also the possibility that what the artist is having in mind or going through inspires them to make a work based on that, and while it's something authentic and real, it's not something that appeals to the world or presented in a way that is marketable or enjoyable to the type of fan base they've created or they just didn't know how to deliver it best. It doesn't make it unoriginal but it's still not likable to the majority. So you know, it could by any of those, but I guess we'll never know. For me, Lady Gaga felt less creative and more repetitive since ARTPOP. I know people will disagree, but that's just how I see it and they don't have to agree. On the other hand, TF, TFM and BTW, while highly accused of being copy/paste of other artists' works like Madonna, Grace Jones, Bowie, George Michael and others, they were still true to her image, and career and since those were her first three albums, there was nothing from her before those to compare to or to feel like she's repeating anything.

It's hard maintaining the same level of quality and it's also harder to keep creating new things each and every time you put something on the market. Sometimes you just run out of ideas or people get tired of you, and it's up to the artist to somehow figure out a way to create something original but also true to who they are.

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Honey on one hand ur right but on the other hand c2c was just to calm herself down from "past events"  and joanne is VERY important. She s been talking about aunt joanne since forever. Plus it s like her "beyonce" or "avril lavigne" album like putting her name as an album title. So...SLAY JOANNE 

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On 8/30/2017 at 6:08 PM, LaBlue said:

much better than perfect illusion,it was a perfect illusion,perfect illusion,modern ecstasy,it was perfect illusion x1200 and it was her LEAD single

Oh no honey perfect illusion is a MASTERPIECE  both lyrically and the instrumental so 

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On 8/30/2017 at 6:14 PM, chase33 said:

nah, she's still experimenting the way she want it, its proof enough for me that her creativity never die.

i think C2C and Joanne era is to cleaning up her image to GP (since ARTPOP era GP already hated and grow tired of her) its career wise this move right now... expand your fanbase by showing them your talent.. then if GP convince enough.. i hope she will bring another TFM + BTW era but more darker

Who s...gp....

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This is getting annoying 

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4 minutes ago, Oyster said:

This is getting annoying 

Ikr. But who s GP?

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I ****ING love Joanne but I agree about the "The Cure" music.