UGLY 138 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 4 hours ago, Talent said: Sorry. Reverse racism doesn't exist- https://www.dailydot.com/via/reverse-racism-doesnt-exist/ YES IT DOES. Institutional racism = power + privilege + your an asshole to people just of their skin color. Individual racism = your an asshole to people just of their skin color. Just because your disenfranchised doesn't mean you can't be racist as an individual. Ex: Calling all white (insert any other race) people racist = racist, no matter your skin color. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stigma 205 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, babs said: Thank you! I am reading up on this as soon as I'm out of work. I will give you more sources later, when I am out of work as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirages 20,259 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 The whole thing is stupid, like why can't white people spread kindness as well, it's not like Gaga herself is a supremacist and racist. I would think people'd be happy about having an ally in a woman that has a great platform to teach peple about compassion and acceptance, nope they're gonna bash her. Stupid, stupid, stupid... I'm the bitch that's fragile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEANGT 5,378 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 the tweets are correct, but like, it takes a while to understand that and I doubt she was responding to that sentiment at all. I doubt she even read these tweets. She'll figure it out eventually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawnNutella 2,805 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 People can twist around anything to make it negative. She is pleading with people to be kind, loving and treat everyone equally, literally has written and performed songs about it and people are attacking her?! If she was silent people would be bitching that she wasn't using her voice or burying her head in the sand. I'm glad she tries to use her voice for good and I hope she always does, no matter the backlash people try to throw at her. Anyone can see her intentions are good. If everyone showed the love and kindness that she shows and speaks about the world would be a wonderful place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordEnigma 11,313 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 By using the hashtag, #thisisnotUS , I don't think she was being literal of the past. I think she's simply stating that these acts that have been happening have been so primitive and we have come so far that we no longer need to act like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
codymonster 8,622 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 16 minutes ago, SEANGT said: the tweets are correct, but like, it takes a while to understand that and I doubt she was responding to that sentiment at all. I doubt she even read these tweets. She'll figure it out eventually. Nooooo, the tweets are not correct. Gaga never oppressed others. That is part of America's PAST. HER America is one built on love, immigration, inclusiveness, and freedom. She believes America is not the hate that we see today, and that's okay. People just want to find bad things to say about people. If you look at ANY country and there history, it is ALL filled with hate and abuse and using their power in a negative way. That's not right, but that doesn't mean that represents the country. If the country is trying to heal, and members of the country are trying to not identify as this, and push towards a society that rejects all those things, then awesome! If we held everyone or every country to their past, we would just be filled with hate and bitterness, and there is no point in that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEANGT 5,378 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 1 minute ago, codymonster said: Nooooo, the tweets are not correct. Gaga never oppressed others. That is part of America's PAST. HER America is one built on love, immigration, inclusiveness, and freedom. She believes America is not this, and that's okay. People just want to find bad things to say about people. If you look at ANY country and there history, it is ALL filled with hate and abuse and using their power in a negative way. That's not right, but that doesn't mean that represents the country. If the country is trying to heal, and members of the country are trying to not identify as this, and push towards a society that rejects all those things, then awesome! If we held everyone or country to their past, we would just be filled with hate and bitterness, and there is no point in that I'm just not taking it as literally. People live with racism in america every day and then see everyone acting like this is brand new and doesn't represent America can be a slap in the face. I see it as an important nuance of American culture to understand, and see it as an emotional argument that's completely valid. Cville might not be "Us" in general but it's definitely not out of nowhere to anyone dealing with racism on a daily basis. I can see how Gaga's hashtag would make people feel like US history and even contemporary struggles are being dismissed - even if Gaga's intentions are pure. Basically I don't think anyone is doing anything wrong. People can hold Gaga accountable to learn more about racism in america, she can take it. This isn't anything that will significantly damage her. Gaga can encourage kindness in her own, maybe imperfect, way. I'm sure it will help some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
codymonster 8,622 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, SEANGT said: I'm just not taking it as literally. People live with racism in america every day and then see everyone acting like this is brand new and doesn't represent America can be a slap in the face. I see it as an important nuance of American culture to understand, and see it as an emotional argument that's completely valid. Cville might not be "Us" in general but it's definitely not out of nowhere to anyone dealing with racism on a daily basis. I can see how Gaga's hashtag would make people feel like US history and even contemporary struggles are being dismissed - even if Gaga's intentions are pure. Basically I don't think anyone is doing anything wrong. People can hold Gaga accountable to learn more about racism in america, she can take it. This isn't anything that will significantly damage her. Gaga can encourage kindness in her own, maybe imperfect, way. I'm sure it will help some. I really disagree with you, but that's okay. I honestly just see a bunch of entitled people whining about a hashtag, while people who are ACTUALLY struggling to deal with things are fighting the fight IN PERSON and are THANKFUL for those who lend a hand in creating a just and equal society. In my mind, complaining about a hashtag is trivializing a very serious issue and pushing people away from wanting to help the fight, because it's such an exclusive club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEANGT 5,378 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 1 minute ago, codymonster said: I really disagree with you, but that's okay. I honestly just see a bunch of entitled people whining about a hashtag, while people who are ACTUALLY struggling to deal with things are fighting the fight IN PERSON and are THANKFUL for those who lend a hand in creating a just and equal society. In my mind, complaining about a hashtag is trivializing a very serious issue and pushing people away from wanting to help the fight, because it's such an exclusive club. sorry if you don't want to talk about this anymore but I wanna just say a lil more. So I don't feel like criticizing this hashtag is bad. People are emotional about things and they tweet with anger. But when it comes down to it, they're just adding more context to the issue that I think is valuable. Again, just because Gaga's tweets were good doesn't mean they couldn't have been better. If people are being pushed away that's their issue. People need to learn to listen. Especially to people of color. Even when it makes them uncomfortable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bling 31,470 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Ugh, we can't win. We're the enemy because other whites are racist, we're the enemy if we support equality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blur 82 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 this is all super stupid and it goes for show just how much people want to be mad at everyone now so they can just start tweeting yes, gaga could've made a more thoughtful tweet or made an open letter or something, but it doesn't make it offensive?? (i have no idea if people are finding this offensive or ignorant but you get what i mean) that she released a short tweet kinda calling people to join in and spread awareness. and like ok these people need a bigger fish to fry like people are literally dying of hunger, war, poverty, etc. and the fact that they feel the need to channel their anger into a lady gaga tweet that is just about spreading love in hard times and stuff is honestly insane. had to add: people get mad at whites for not speaking up, but when they do speak up its not enough. although white people need to speak up against white supremacy because it is indeed true all whites benefit from white supremacy, i feel like more would be more open to speaking out against these issues if they didn't have to worry about being perfectly spoken and woke or else they're called racist or problematic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusKeepBreathin 19,311 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 I think the #ThisIsNotUs hashtag shouldn't be used by anyone. This Is Us. This Is Still Us. The US has built it's economy and strength on cheap labor and the cheapest was slave labor. Even now we still pay immigrants far less than livable wages for work and then we want to build walls and paint them as criminals and rapists. (Yes our President did this). But I also want to caution these SJW's to not be so harsh. It's easy to be mean on Twitter or the internet. You can educate without being condescending or mean. The people using that hashtag aren't being racist. They are just ignorant of they way it can be interpreted by black people or any person of color. "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushdoom 26 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 The #ThisIsNotUs hashtag is supposed to refer to the violence. THAT is not us. I took it as her saying that we are not like this and that we have to rise above by spreading love and not hate. That is how I took it anyways; but of course, people always like to misconstrue everything and take things for worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterAura 548 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Kudos to @SEANGT & @codymonster for being able to disagree respectfully and discuss like adults I see far too little of that today unfortunately, so I feel I need to acknowledge this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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