Australia bans constructions of synagogue

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"A Sydney suburb has banned the construction of a synagogue because it could be a terrorist target, a decision that has infuriated religious leaders.

The temple was to be built in Bondi, a short walk from Australia's famous Bondi Beach. But locals worried that the space would pose a security risk to nearby residents, motorists and pedestrians. As evidence of that threat, the council pointed to the synagogue's own design, which included setback buildings and blast walls. They also said the design would have an “unacceptable impact” on the street and neighborhood.

“A number of residents agreed with the contentions … and provided additional evidence against the development of the site," the council said in a statement.

Friends of Refugees From Eastern Europe, a Jewish group, immediately appealed that decision to the Land and Environment Court. The protective design, the group said, was not a commentary on the risk the temple faced, but rather a best practice used at lots of synagogues. It also offered to do a redesign.

But the court sided with the council. In its decision, the court explained that western countries are under threat from the Islamic State and that the potential of an attack in Australia is considered “probable” by government officials. The court also noted that the designs would serve only to protect those inside the building, not those outside."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/08/06/a-sydney-suburb-bans-construction-of-a-synagogue-because-of-terrorism-fears/?utm_term=.315948d91efa

 Islamism won

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"the synagogue's own design, which included setback buildings and blast walls."

Bruh, they were kind of asking for at least some questions. Blast walls? They're expecting something, or they wouldn't prepare.

I'd be worried too, if I lived near the proposed building.

[Melech 9,900]

10 minutes ago, FATCAT said:

"the synagogue's own design, which included setback buildings and blast walls."

Bruh, they were kind of asking for at least some questions. Blast walls? They're expecting something, or they wouldn't prepare.

I'd be worried too, if I lived near the proposed building.

Yeah, but this is what ISIS wants   So, Jews shouldnt have a place because potential risks?

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stop calling then "the Islamic State", they are simply terror organisation. they even bomb mosques y'all how can you call them "islamists"??

"Islamism" did not win, terrorism won and all others lost. this was their intention with the terror attacks in the first place - to cause chaos and fear, and thanks to all, they succeeded.

[Melech 9,900]

1 minute ago, GreekGod said:

stop calling then "the Islamic State", they are simply terror organisation. 

"Islamism" did not win, terrorism won and all others lost. this was their intention with the terror attacks in the first place - to cause chaos and fear, and thanks to all, they succeeded.

But they are islamic. We shouldn't deny that. Same as the Westboro Church is Christian or the guy who killed a girl at a gay pride in Jerusalem did it because of radical Judaism. 

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8 minutes ago, Melech said:

But they are islamic. We shouldn't deny that. Same as the Westboro Church is Christian or the guy who killed a girl at a gay pride in Jerusalem did it because of radical Judaism. 

as a total-non religious guy I have read Islam book Quran for 2 times to only understand their logic and I have never come accross something to promote killing or hatred, but only kindness toward each other. I can today go kill someone and scream Allahu Akbar it doesnt mean religion is to blame. it's all politics we all know I guess.

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I actually agree with @Melech, wow.

idk, its just seems that if you criticize Islam in the slightest, everyone comes out of the wood work to attack you.

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Omg

I've read  ''Azalea Banks constructs a synagogue''

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23 minutes ago, GreekGod said:

as a total-non religious guy I have read Islam book Quran for 2 times to only understand their logic and I have never come accross something to promote killing or hatred, but only kindness toward each other. I can today go kill someone and scream Allahu Akbar it doesnt mean religion is to blame. it's all politics we all know I guess.

Maybe you should read it again

Quran

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"(Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to "fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you" leading some to claim that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families.  The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries.  In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did).  Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest).  The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is disingenuous - the actual Arabic words for persecution (idtihad) - and oppression are not used instead of fitna.  Fitna can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation.  A strict translation is 'sedition,' meaning rebellion against authority (the authority being Allah).  This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned "until religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.  [Editor's note: these notes have been modified slightly after a critic misinterpreted our language. Verse 193 plainly says that 'fighting' is sanctioned even if the fitna 'ceases'.  This is about religious order, not real persecution.]

 

 

Less Churches, Synagoges or any other religious institues, the better. 

ps: to be fair, Christianity also calls for the same.

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41 minutes ago, Melech said:

Yeah, but this is what ISIS wants   So, Jews shouldnt have a place because potential risks?

Well, isn't it also what ISIS wants, when simple synagogues have blast walls?

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Here we go again

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So we should stop going to concerts then too? Cause they also kill people who go to a concert.

We should also stop going to the supermarket, we should stop living then cause there is a threat everywhere.

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11 minutes ago, Mythos said:

Maybe you should read it again

Quran

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"(Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to "fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you" leading some to claim that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families.  The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries.  In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did).  Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest).  The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is disingenuous - the actual Arabic words for persecution (idtihad) - and oppression are not used instead of fitna.  Fitna can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation.  A strict translation is 'sedition,' meaning rebellion against authority (the authority being Allah).  This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned "until religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.  [Editor's note: these notes have been modified slightly after a critic misinterpreted our language. Verse 193 plainly says that 'fighting' is sanctioned even if the fitna 'ceases'.  This is about religious order, not real persecution.]

did you just copy-paste or actually read it?  that ayeh definitely talks about defensive war, and if you read it in arabic you wouldn't even be confused about it. translation can give the false idea from the first sight but you can look up for more info. and the word Fitna is used in situations that you are being attacked by adversaries solely based on against your faith. it is not disbelief. Prophet Muhammed is the first person in their religion Islam and he never ever killed anyone, and although differently portrayed in today's media the word "jihad" only means a war against those who try to kill you because of your religion, only to protect yourself and your family and even in those verses it is indicated that they shouldn't go beyond that. 

don't get ne wrong I don't defense any religion, they all kind of same to me. it is just that I see some plays being organized around Islam these times and it just seems unfair to my muslim friends cuz they really get attacks from everywhere. Islam is no better or worse than those others, and doesn't promote violence as much as christianity, in my opinion. as a guy who read both.

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1 minute ago, GreekGod said:

did you just copy-paste or actually read it?  that ayeh definitely talks about defensive war, and if you read it in arabic you wouldn't even be confused about it. translation can give the false idea from the first sight but you can look up for more info. and the word Fitna is used in situations that you are being attacked by adversaries solely based on against your faith. it is not disbelief. Prophet Muhammed is the first person in their religion Islam and he never ever killed anyone, and although differently portrayed in today's media the word "jihad" only means a war against those who try to kill you because of your religion, only to protect yourself and your family and even in those verses it is indicated that they shouldn't go beyond that. 

don't get ne wrong I don't defense any religion, it is just that I see some plays being organized around Islam these times and it just seems unfair to my muslim friends cuz they really get offended.

I personally am not a fan of any religion, they are all aggressive, give the dumb people power, and also hinder the evolution of mankind. The faster all that fictional stories disappear the better  

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Just now, Mythos said:

I personally am not a fan of any religion, they are all aggressive, give the dumb people power, and also hinder the evolution of mankind. The faster all that fictional stories disappear the better  

I agree with you on that.