craig 680 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Even those in their early 30's are struggling (Britney, Xtina, Beyonce). Katy Perry's 28 and she could be the next casualty. I worry about the future of Gaga's sales when she hits 30 too. Perspective of age is highly relative to length of career. Brit-Xtina-Beyonce started so young it feels like they've been around for ages, and they've either had their powers decline (Britney) or their genre lose stream in US (Beyonce). Robbie Williams b.1974; Timberlake b. 1981, Bieber b.1994. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris777 112 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 UK really loves Stay. Glad to know the song has hold on in the top 10 all this time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 26,836 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 His age is partly a factor, though. Back in the day, he was the king of pop for the 2000's generation, but teens today have Justin Beiber and One Direction to drool over, along with other newer stars like The Wanted and Conor Maynard. Justin isn't relevant to teenager's today - all those downloads probably came from long-time fans in their 20's who wanted him to be successful again. Kinda like how David Bowie's latest single was #1 on iTunes for quite a while: long-time fans wanting them to overthrow the new generation who don't have a clue about good music. But of course, the number of middle-aged Bowie fans with MP3 players is significantly lower than the amount of teens who have them, so his reign didn't last for long. But I must say, men have a much easier time having success in their later years than women do. Women aged 40+ can't seem to make hit records these days and their music can't get radio play (Madonna, Dolly Parton, Cher, Mariah Carey) Even those in their early 30's are struggling (Britney, Xtina, Beyonce). Katy Perry's 28 and she could be the next casualty. I worry about the future of Gaga's sales when she hits 30 too. 30 is usually the cut-off age for a lot of female pop singers with very few exceptions. The world just seems biased against older women making music. As I once saw on the US Charts thread: "The only female artist over 40 who gets frequent radio play is Jennifer Lopez, but that's just because she makes uber-generic music and all the promotion she got from American Idol." Well I'm a teenager and me and many others grew up listening to him, he certainly isn't irrelevant to teenagers. Just look at Scream and Shout... Will.i.am and Britney are both artists in their 30s, who emerged around the same time as Justin and have a big hit out. Why? Because it's catchy, dancey, fun etc. My Life, featuring 3 artists that have been around for 10+ years also is big at the moment. I totally see where you're coming from but Justin isn't irrelevant to teenagers today, for sure. There's a reason his comeback was so hugely anticipated and there was such a big buzz on the internet. If he came back with a generic dance club banger then it would've smashed. It's really as simple as that. Sure he doesn't have the 13/14 year old girl market like Bieber (not like he scores hit after hit in the UK anyway) and 1D like he did in 2002 but I'm pretty sure he shrugged that image off with FS/LS anyway. I don't think his situation is really comparable to Bowie at all. But I do agree that men seem to be less "disposable" than women when it comes to chart consistency. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Well I'm a teenager and me and many others grew up listening to him, he certainly isn't irrelevant to teenagers. ... I don't think his situation is really comparable to Bowie at all. But I do agree that men seem to be less "disposable" than women when it comes to chart consistency. Actually Timberlake is 31, the same age as Kylie when she came back with Spinning Around in 2000 and started a new streak of 16 UK tops 10s after not having one since 1994. Kylie had very young fans in the late 1980s, who were still there for her a decade later. I agree the media gives older female singers a harder time, but I don't think they do any worse in sales. Look at Tina Turner (45 in 1984 for Private Dancer comeback), Cher (over 50 when Believe hit) , and Madonna (47 for Confessions era). Then consider how many top male legends were washed up in terms of hit-making by age 45, from Paul McCartney to Michael Jackson.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 26,836 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Actually Timberlake is 31, the same age as Kylie when she came back with Spinning Around in 2000 and started a new streak of 16 UK tops 10s after not having one since 1994. Kylie had very young fans in the late 1980s, who were still there for her a decade later. I agree the media gives older female singers a harder time, but I don't think they do any worse in sales. Look at Tina Turner (45 in 1984 for Private Dancer comeback), Cher (over 50 when Believe hit) , and Madonna (47 for Confessions era). Then consider how many top male legends were washed up in terms of hit-making by age 45, from Paul McCartney to Michael Jackson.. Well duh obviously there are exceptions, it wasn't a generalization. But how long did it last for those three artists you named? Apart from Kylie who has done well to be consistent. McCartney was rarely a consistent hitmaker solo, his hits were with the Beatles and Wings and occasionally others, plus he has always had massively successful tours as did Michael when his sales started to decline - even though he still got a #2 hit from his last studio album. Then you get Eminem, Jay Z, U2, Robbie + Take That who are older but are still massively successful with albums + tours and sometimes singles. But I don't see Tina Turner headlining huge festivals and grossing $7m per-show on average on her tours, I didn't see Madonna's last album greeted with great reception and big sales or hit singles, I don't see Cher... Well, I don't see Cher anywhere at all actually. Of course some older women in music are still getting their successes here and there but ultimately fans are more loyal to male artists. Whether it be the horny mothers buying tickets at 9am on the dot to Take That's new tour, devoted rock fans picking up albums from their favourite band and tickets to U2, Roger Waters, Bon Jovi, Guns n Roses etc. huge stadium/arena tours, or young people getting into big rap stars, they are on the whole more relevant consistently than females. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaspermatt 193 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I love living in the UK :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Robbie Williams is under 40 and was already having trouble getting the lead single for his last album played on Radio 1. Plus he is the biggest UK male pop star of his time, like Kylie. Gotta remember U2, the Stones, and Enimem are kings of their genres, with no close female equals. U2 lately is going the way of Madonna - tours are hugely successful but albums meh and and no big hits. Rolling Stones, famous for longevity, stopped having new hits about the same age as Madonna. I think Jay-Z is over the hill, and youngster rappers like Lil Wayne and Drake sell better in the US. Tina Turner is 72 now, older than MacCartney and Jaggar. But she had a great run of success for almost a decade after her 1984 comeback, enough for a solid GH album of just those songs. She outlasted the male Soul, R&B, Motown legends who were bigger than her in the 1960s. Likewise, Madonna and Kylie laster longer as hitmakers than any other pop stars in the UK whose careers began in the 1980s. MJ and Prince were born 1958 like Madonna and as big or bigger than her, but from 1995 on they don't compare. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 13,089 Posted January 24, 2013 Author Share Posted January 24, 2013 iTunes update 01. Get Up (Rattle) [feat. Far East Movement] [Radio Edit] - Bingo Players 02. Scream & Shout (feat. Britney Spears) - will.i.am 03. I Knew You Were Trouble. - Taylor Swift 04. Stay (feat. Mikky Ekko) - Rihanna 05. Drinking from the Bottle (feat. Tinie Tempah) - Calvin Harris 06. Animal (feat. Wiley) - Conor Maynard 07. Clown - Emeli Sandé 08. My Life (feat. Eminem & Adam Levine) - 50 Cent 09. Don't Stop the Party (feat. TJR) - Pitbull 10. Impossible - James Arthur 11. Kiss You - One Direction 12. Suit & Tie (feat. Jay-Z) - Justin Timberlake 13. Shut Up (And Give Me Whatever You Got) - Amelia Lily 14. Learn to Love Again - Lawson 15. Just One Last Time (feat. Taped Rai) - David Guetta 16. Let It Roll - Flo Rida 17. Thrift Shop (feat. Wanz) - Macklemore & Ryan Lewis 18. Bassline Junkie - Dizzee Rascal 19. Locked Out of Heaven - Bruno Mars 20. Ho Hey - The Lumineers 21. Magnetic Eyes (Radio Edit) [feat. Baby Blue] - Matrix & Futurebound 22. Die Young - Ke$ha 23. Latch (feat. Sam Smith) - Disclosure 24. Change Your Life - Little Mix 25. Diamonds - Rihanna 26. Troublemaker (feat. Flo Rida) - Olly Murs 27. Radioactive - Rita Ora 28. Try - P!nk 29. I Dreamed a Dream - Anne Hathaway 30. Beneath Your Beautiful (feat. Emeli Sandé) - Labrinth 31. Radioactive - Imagine Dragons 32. Explosions - Ellie Goulding 33. Don't You Worry Child (Radio Edit) [feat. John Martin] - Swedish House Mafia 34. Skyfall - Adele 35. Clique - Kanye West, Jay-Z & Big Sean 36. Get Hyper - Droideka 37. Don't Save Me - Haim 38. Lightning Bolt - Jake Bugg 39. Gangnam Style (ê°â€¢Ã«â€š¨ 스Àì¼) - PSY 40. No Diggity - Blackstreet & Dr. Dre Bubbling Under 41. Wild for the Night (feat. Skrillex & Birdy Nam Nam) - A$AP Rocky 48. Shadow Moses - Bring Me the Horizon 50. Forever Now - Ne-Yo 52. Because We Can - Bon Jovi 93. 110% - Jessie Ware 98. Can't Pretend - Tom Odell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 26,836 Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Robbie Williams is under 40 and was already having trouble getting the lead single for his last album played on Radio 1. Yet despite this it was a #1 hit and did over 500k. Impressive. Gotta remember U2, the Stones, and Enimem are kings of their genres, with no close female equals. Point being? U2 lately is going the way of Madonna - tours are hugely successful but albums meh and and no big hits. Rolling Stones, famous for longevity, stopped having new hits about the same age as Madonna. U2's last album sold over 5 mill WW, that isn't really meh by today's standards. And their touring power isn't comparable to anyone except the Stones. I think Jay-Z is over the hill, and youngster rappers like Lil Wayne and Drake sell better in the US. By "over the hill" you mean his last (solo) album era had the most success on the singles chart in his entire career, and the album sales were a marked improvement on the two preceding? Not to mention Watch The Throne And what do younger acts have to do with it? I'm not saying these men are top of their game at all. You can't be saying that's what the women you're using as examples are achieving so I don't see the relevance. Tina Turner is 72 now, older than MacCartney and Jaggar. But she had a great run of success for almost a decade after her 1984 comeback, enough for a solid GH album of just those songs. She outlasted the male Soul, R&B, Motown legends who were bigger than her in the 1960s. I thought we were talking about present day, not what happened 30 years ago -- I don't think single sales translate so much to fan loyalty. It takes a lot more dedication to spend hundreds (even thousands in the case of the Stones in November) on tickets and £10ish on an album than pressing a button that costs you 99p. You cannot deny that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Gotta remember U2, the Stones, and Enimem are kings of their genres, with no close female equals. Point being? If the Top 10 acts in rock circa 1960-90 or rap circa 2000 were all men, it proves nothing about male vs female longevity when the 2 or 3 biggest acts (male of course) are the ones still thriving in their later years. You need to find a pattern where female success in a genre drops off relative to men of the same generation and comparable success as they enter their 30s or 40s. Madonna had her biggest ever opening weak in the UK with Confessions in 2005. 215k which is higher than BTW week one. How many male legends can say they did that after age 45? There are only a few male acts that can match Madonna in having 2 tours earning over 200 million, and all more popular and respected in their heyday anyway. PS: There are so many male legends whose careers peaked in their 20s - Elvis, John Lennon, Michael Jackson. Yet Debbie Harrah of Blondie didn't get famous until her 30s. Kylie fever peaked in 2000-02, when she was early 30s. Tina Turner's success peaked in her mid-40s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 13,089 Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 iTunes update 01. Get Up (Rattle) [feat. Far East Movement] [Radio Edit] - Bingo Players 02. Scream & Shout (feat. Britney Spears) - will.i.am 03. I Knew You Were Trouble. - Taylor Swift 04. Stay (feat. Mikky Ekko) - Rihanna 05. Drinking from the Bottle (feat. Tinie Tempah) - Calvin Harris 06. Clown - Emeli Sandé 07. Animal (feat. Wiley) - Conor Maynard 08. My Life (feat. Eminem & Adam Levine) - 50 Cent 09. Don't Stop the Party (feat. TJR) - Pitbull 10. Impossible - James Arthur 11. Shut Up (And Give Me Whatever You Got) - Amelia Lily 12. Kiss You - One Direction 13. Suit & Tie (feat. Jay-Z) - Justin Timberlake 14. Thrift Shop (feat. Wanz) - Macklemore & Ryan Lewis 15. Learn to Love Again - Lawson 16. Let It Roll - Flo Rida 17. Just One Last Time (feat. Taped Rai) - David Guetta 18. Bassline Junkie - Dizzee Rascal 19. Locked Out of Heaven - Bruno Mars 20. Die Young - Ke$ha 21. Magnetic Eyes (Radio Edit) [feat. Baby Blue] - Matrix & Futurebound 22. Ho Hey - The Lumineers 23. Latch (feat. Sam Smith) - Disclosure 24. Get Hyper - Droideka 25. Change Your Life - Little Mix 26. Diamonds - Rihanna 27. Radioactive - Rita Ora 28. Troublemaker (feat. Flo Rida) - Olly Murs 29. Beneath Your Beautiful (feat. Emeli Sandé) - Labrinth 30. Don't You Worry Child (Radio Edit) [feat. John Martin] - Swedish House Mafia 31. Try - P!nk 32. Radioactive - Imagine Dragons 33. I Dreamed a Dream - Anne Hathaway 34. Explosions - Ellie Goulding 35. Wild for the Night (feat. Skrillex & Birdy Nam Nam) - A$AP Rocky 36. Skyfall - Adele 37. Clique - Kanye West, Jay-Z & Big Sean 38. No Diggity - Blackstreet & Dr. Dre 39. Gangnam Style (ê°â€¢Ã«â€š¨ 스Àì¼) - PSY 40. Don't Save Me - Haim Bubbling Under 50. Forever Now - Ne-Yo 53. Levitate - Hadouken! 55. Shadow Moses - Bring Me the Horizon 66. Because We Can - Bon Jovi 80. 110% - Jessie Ware 87. Can't Pretend - Tom Odell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 13,089 Posted January 26, 2013 Author Share Posted January 26, 2013 iTunes update 01. Get Up (Rattle) [feat. Far East Movement] [Radio Edit] - Bingo Players 02. Scream & Shout (feat. Britney Spears) - will.i.am 03. I Knew You Were Trouble. - Taylor Swift 04. Drinking from the Bottle (feat. Tinie Tempah) - Calvin Harris 05. Stay (feat. Mikky Ekko) - Rihanna 06. Clown - Emeli Sandé 07. Animal (feat. Wiley) - Conor Maynard 08. Don't Stop the Party (feat. TJR) - Pitbull 09. My Life (feat. Eminem & Adam Levine) - 50 Cent 10. Impossible - James Arthur 11. Kiss You - One Direction 12. Thrift Shop (feat. Wanz) - Macklemore & Ryan Lewis 13. Suit & Tie (feat. Jay-Z) - Justin Timberlake 14. Shut Up (And Give Me Whatever You Got) - Amelia Lily 15. Let It Roll - Flo Rida 16. Die Young - Ke$ha 17. Locked Out of Heaven - Bruno Mars 18. Learn to Love Again - Lawson 19. Bassline Junkie - Dizzee Rascal 20. Just One Last Time (feat. Taped Rai) - David Guetta 21. Radioactive - Rita Ora 22. Troublemaker (feat. Flo Rida) - Olly Murs 23. Magnetic Eyes (Radio Edit) [feat. Baby Blue] - Matrix & Futurebound 24. Ho Hey - The Lumineers 25. Diamonds - Rihanna 26. Get Hyper - Droideka 27. Gangnam Style (ê°â€¢Ã«â€š¨Ã¬Å ¤Ãƒ€ì¼) - PSY 28. Latch (feat. Sam Smith) - Disclosure 29. Don't You Worry Child (Radio Edit) [feat. John Martin] - Swedish House Mafia 30. Skyfall - Adele 31. Beneath Your Beautiful (feat. Emeli Sandé) - Labrinth 32. Explosions - Ellie Goulding 33. Change Your Life - Little Mix 34. Try - P!nk 35. Radioactive - Imagine Dragons 36. Wild for the Night (feat. Skrillex & Birdy Nam Nam) - A$AP Rocky 37. Scream & Shout (feat. Britney Spears) [Radio Edit] - will.i.am 38. I Dreamed a Dream - Anne Hathaway 39. Gangnam Style - PSY 40. Candy - Robbie Williams Bubbling Under 44. Don't Save Me - Haim 50. Levitate - Hadouken! 59. Forever Now - Ne-Yo 73. Because We Can - Bon Jovi 75. 110% - Jessie Ware 88. Shadow Moses - Bring Me the Horizon 90. Need To Know (feat. Iman) - Wilkinson 98. Can't Pretend - Tom Odell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math 92 Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 21. Radioactive - Rita Ora looove it fingers crossed for a top 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klou 2,414 Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Really glad to see Explosions rising well due to the commercial and despite not even being a single yet. Interscope better take the hint soon... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 13,089 Posted January 27, 2013 Author Share Posted January 27, 2013 Really glad to see Explosions rising well due to the commercial and despite not even being a single yet. Interscope better take the hint soon... Up to #18 now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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