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darkchylde
3 minutes ago, KingOfTheClouds said:

Ive heard the term hermaphrodite since I was a teen u mean thats not correct? What? Im shook.

hermaphrodite is for snails, not people. people are intersex. "hermaphrodite", like "homosexual" is a patologizing term, mostly used as a slur against trans/gender non conforming people.

6 minutes ago, KingOfTheClouds said:

So true. So much identity terms these days that are new. I cant. The older I get the less in touch I am with new things. I didnt know what cisgender was til like a few weeks ago.

there's nothing new about these "identity terms" actually. non binary genders have been around long before the gender binary was imposed by imperialism. "cisgender" is pretty easy, by the way.

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2 minutes ago, M Monstre said:

I get what you mean, and in some aspects I agree with you. However, it's not so much that "a, b, and c" belong to boys and "x, y, and z" belong to girls, but really it's how people identify themselves.

For me personally, I do fall under the genderfluid spectrum. An example is that I personally don't care what pronouns you use for me: he, she, they, whatever, as long as I know what you mean, I'm fine. I know, that may seem like a trivial thing, but to someone who identifies as a man, then they'd use the pronoun "he", and for a female, "she". It's not like they're interchangeable because, gender plays a bigger role in society than we think it does. 

I get what you're saying because not everyone does 100% belong to each "gender", but the concept of genderfluidity, in my opinion, comes from a general consensus as to what gender is and how it defies each and every one of us. Because, you can identify as a man or a woman doesn't mean that you can't fall somewhere in between.

To that last point though, you could say that about the LGBTQ+ community. We're just "human", so why do we need a community?

All i know is im 100% male lol

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YeehawKylie
34 minutes ago, Emigrante said:

Can someone explain me what is supposedly wrong with photoshoot like that? Doesn't it break stereotypes actually?

No. 

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4 minutes ago, Magik said:

hermaphrodite is for snails, not people. people are intersex. "hermaphrodite", like "homosexual" is a patologizing term, mostly used as a slur against trans/gender non conforming people.

there's nothing new about these "identity terms" actually. non binary genders have been around long before the gender binary was imposed by imperialism. "cisgender" is pretty easy, by the way.

I looked up hermaphrodite on urban dictionary it does not mention snails btw. And ok. Just because those terms arent new doesnt mean I heard them before. I never heard the word cisgender or gender fluidity til the other day. And somehow thats going to make me ignorant for not knowing it.

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34 minutes ago, Emigrante said:

okay, but that's not answer to my question. there is nothing wrong with photoshoot like that. 

It wasn't about the photoshoot, but more because of the article that was written. the writer was like omg zayn wears a girl t shirt he's embracing genderfluidity!

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Gardevoir
1 minute ago, IndieKylie said:

No. 

a huge thumb up and smile for you. :)

Sugar, spice, and everything nice.
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darkchylde
2 minutes ago, KingOfTheClouds said:

I looked up hermaphrodite on urban dictionary it does not mention snails btw. 

okay

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39 minutes ago, Emigrante said:

Can someone explain me what is supposedly wrong with photoshoot like that? Doesn't it break stereotypes actually?

I dont think theres anything wrong w it or the article and I dont think they need to apologize cause people got offended.

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YeehawKylie
3 minutes ago, Emigrante said:

a huge thumb up and smile for you. :)

If you can praise Gigi and Zayn for wearing blazers with floral patterns, I guess you can also praise me for typing a two letter word as neither are extraordinary acts...so thanks. 

 

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darkchylde
6 minutes ago, KingOfTheClouds said:

And somehow thats going to make me ignorant for not knowing it.

well, yes, when you don't know something and still decide to speak on it, you're ignorant. you have admited on this thread that your knowledge on gender and sex related issues is limited, yet here you are, giving your opinion on a subject you know nothing about AND refusing to be educated by people directly affected by this issue.

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Gardevoir
1 minute ago, IndieKylie said:

If you can praise Gigi and Zayn for wearing blazers with floral patterns, I guess you can also praise me for typing a two letter word as neither are extraordinary acts...so thanks. 

 

I guess you are able to read my mind then, since I said nothing about photoshoot or praising them.

Welcome. :) 

Sugar, spice, and everything nice.
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7 minutes ago, Magik said:

well, yes, when you don't know something and still decide to speak on it, you're ignorant. you have admited on this thread that your knowledge on gender and sex related issues is limited, yet here you are, giving your opinion on a subject you know nothing about AND refusing to be educated by people directly affected by this issue.

can we go back to the year 2000 please

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REALITY
42 minutes ago, KingOfTheClouds said:

All i know is im 100% male lol

lol and that's totally fine and cool! I get it, genderfluidity can be really complicated, and even to a lot of people in the LGBTQ+ community, it's something we need to embrace and educate about people more, because it's very real and even though it affects the tiniest bit of the population, it's still a valid thing.

𝔊𝔬𝔬𝔡𝔟𝔶𝔢, ℑ'𝔩𝔩 𝔰𝔢𝔢 𝔶𝔬𝔲 𝔦𝔫 𝔪𝔶 𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔞𝔪𝔰
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