Swedish Woman Speaks Out About Immigration In Europe

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20 minutes ago, Debithius said:

I should have been more specific: I agree with everything she said about the european politics and the situation at hand. However, I know that she is not talking about every damn muslim or whatever but she has a point in EVERYTHING she says.

No she does not have a point in everything she is saying. Go back and watch the video again. 

Also she is talking about all of them or at least most of them. She literally said she believes all of them do not have an education AT ALL, that they do not know how to read, that they do not raise their kids right and raise them to be bishes (and other gross words), that they all rape women and children and other gross and absolutely DISGUSTING stereotypes. 

I'm sorry but this is not how you make valid points. This rhetoric she is spewing is disgusting, harmful, hurtful, wrong and frankly just retarded. (and I mean retarded as in the word "retard" meaning "backwards" and "slow"). This is the type of hate that moved Germany to do insane things during the Haulocaust. I'm not saying it will go that far (mainly because Europe cannot do a haulocst against muslims. There are 1.4 billion of them around the world and they'd destroy us in a matter of seconds) but my point is this is the same hate speech I remember studying in the World War books. This is what nazis spewed ti the German masses. It's so sad seeing the same hate being harbored in 2017 but for a different people. 

Do I agree with some things nationalist groups are saying? yes (the logical stuff). But this lady is just an uneducated, misled and hateful person that is spewing nothing but venom after the first few minutes of her horrid rant.  

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She had a point initially and then it went downhill after that  it's not surprising since Sweden is a relatively racially homogeneous country, but this is just  no, sorry. 

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multiculturalism, while beautiful in some ways, will always have its problems  peace isnt the mean outcome of multiculturalism but it can probably be achieved in some places

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12 hours ago, Albertodift said:

Shouldn't have colonized the people of these countries then. It goes two ways. I'm European but I know that karma exists and this is what we are low key experiencing right now. 

Also this lady has stereotyped disgustingly. I agree with her though that once you come to a country you should adapt and try your best to integrate. You can keep cultural aspects and religious aspects but do not expect to change the system or the people of the country you have immigrated into. However I do understand that not all immigrants and refugees do this and many adapt. This lady however does not understand that. Also the OP I am SHOCKED you agree with EVERYTHING she is saying in that video. That's twisted. 

Also her saying that the majority of them do not have an education at all  How pathetic. I have met refugees and most immigrants that come to my country have at least a high school diploma or bachelors. A lot of them even have phds and were once doctors, engineers, technicians, teachers etc in their country. What is this girl smoking? and what is the OP inhaling to agree with everything she is saying? This is insane.

To your first paragraph: Sweden never was a colony power except within Europe lol. 

 

To the rest I agree with you. Though I think it's fair to criticize. My mum works at a swimming pool and refugees get for free in. But then there is this group which disrespect my mother and don't listen to her, simply cause she is a woman. I'm not saying everyone is like that and I'm in generally pro-refugees. I just think they need to immigrate to German/Sweden society. Germany and Sweden didn't need to take them in, but we did and this is good, but some really need learn how our society works. 

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12 hours ago, Albertodift said:

 

I'm sorry but this is not how you make valid points. This rhetoric she is spewing is disgusting, harmful, hurtful, wrong and frankly just retarded. (and I mean retarded as in the word "retard" meaning "backwards" and "slow"). This is the type of hate that moved Germany to do insane things during the Haulocaust. I'm not saying it will go that far (mainly because Europe cannot do a haulocst against muslims. There are 1.4 billion of them around the world and they'd destroy us in a matter of seconds) but my point is this is the same hate speech I remember studying in the World War books. This is what nazis spewed ti the German masses. It's so sad seeing the same hate being harbored in 2017 but for a different people. 

 

God, learn something in school. It's not the same. The difference between anti-semitism and islamophobia is that anti semites want Jews to be gone from the world while islamophobist want Muslims to go back to "their" countries.  Also Jews didn't got killed because of they religion but their race/ethnicity.

You can say her behavior sucks without bringing the Holocaust in everything because you simply can't compare apples to bananas. 

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17 hours ago, Morphine Prince said:

She was rational for like 3 minutes then she started to spew typical bigotry about refugees and immigrants.

She was blunt and trithful with the reality of how immigrants do not get all they may expect and that the Countries shouldnt freely provide everything

 

But she was also harsh and disrespectful and made far too many generalizations

 

I live in the muslim Capital of Canada... perhaps all of North America. We have a higjer percentage of muslims id say than Canadians... 

 

They are not thre way she describes them at all and we live peacefully with them!

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9 hours ago, Simon said:

To your first paragraph: Sweden never was a colony power except within Europe lol. 

 

To the rest I agree with you. Though I think it's fair to criticize. My mum works at a swimming pool and refugees get for free in. But then there is this group which disrespect my mother and don't listen to her, simply cause she is a woman. I'm not saying everyone is like that and I'm in generally pro-refugees. I just think they need to immigrate to German/Sweden society. Germany and Sweden didn't need to take them in, but we did and this is good, but some really need learn how our society works. 

I'm aware that Sweden was not a colony power. I was referring to Europe as a whole in general as the title mentions "Immigration into Europe".

9 hours ago, Simon said:

God, learn something in school. It's not the same. The difference between anti-semitism and islamophobia is that anti semites want Jews to be gone from the world while islamophobist want Muslims to go back to "their" countries.  Also Jews didn't got killed because of they religion but their race/ethnicity.

You can say her behavior sucks without bringing the Holocaust in everything because you simply can't compare apples to bananas. 

About your other reply. I think it is comparable. The Holocaust has/had different motives and they attacked the Jewish ppl who were not exactly "threats" to Europe but the sentiments are similar. "Taking our jobs", "raise their kids wrong", "hurting our women and children" etc..were all things propagated by the Nazis about the Jewish ppl and right now these stereotypes are being propagated about muslims. I was talking about the way our European leaders manipulate certain events to use them to their benefits the same way the Nazis did (our leaders to a lessor extent of course) and to spread a rhetoric of hate that is similar to the one spread about the Jewish ppl in Europe. I'm not talking about whether or not any of it is truthful or if it applies the same way. No need to be condescending with the "omg learn something in school" BS. 

Also Jewish ppl are as much a "race" as Arabs are. Meaning they are not. Jewish Identity has for long been confused as a race when in fact there are Ethiopian black jewish ppl, Ashkenazi white Russian jews, Sephardic jews of Iberian descent and others etc (there are actual jewish ppl of jewish "race/descent" though but the vast majority of what we see today are of different races).. Just as there are black and white muslims and in fact you cannot tell me that to the West that race is completely separated from religion. There have been many hate crimes committed against ppl of a darker complexion in Europe and the US simply because they assumed they were muslim. So in fact Islam has been racialized just as much as Judaism has. 

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9 minutes ago, Albertodift said:

I'm aware that Sweden was not a colony power. I was referring to Europe as a whole in general as the title mentions "Immigration into Europe".

About your other reply. I think it is comparable. The Holocaust has/had different motives and they attacked the Jewish ppl who were not exactly "threats" to Europe but the sentiments are similar. "Taking our jobs", "raise their kids wrong", "hurting our women and children" etc..were all things propagated by the Nazis about the Jewish ppl and right now these stereotypes are being propagated about muslims. I was talking about the way our European leaders manipulate certain events to use them to their benefits the same way the Nazis did (to a lessor extent of course) and to spread a rhetoric of hate that is similar to the one spread about the Jewish ppl in Europe. I'm not talking about whether or not any of it is truthful or if it applies the same way. No need to be condescending with the "omg learn something in school" BS. 

Also Jewish ppl are as much a "race" as Arabs are. Meaning they are not. Jewish Identity has for long been confused as a race when in fact there are Ethiopian black jewish ppl, Ashkenazi white Russian jews, Sephardic jews of Iberian descent and others etc (there are actual jewish ppl of jewish "race/descent" though but the vast majority of what we see today are of different races).. Just as there are black and white muslims and in fact you cannot tell me that to the West that race is completely separated from religion. There have been many hate crimes committed against ppl of a darker complexion in Europe and the US simply because they assumed they were muslim. So in fact Islam has been racialized just as much as Judaism has. 

It's not comparable. I It's just not the same. This doesn't mean that the islamophobia is not bad, but those two things just can't be compared. 

And I know that, Jews are an ethnicity. Ashkenazi Jews, Sephardim, Mizrahim all share their origin in the Levant btw and all are connected to each other. It's genetical proven so I don't know you mean of the "actual jewish ppl of jewish race" bs. 

Islam and Judaism are two different things. You are born Jewish. You cannot easily convert to Judaism. While Islam is a missionary religion. 

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@Albertodift check this: http://forward.com/scribe/358762/the-significant-differences-between-anti-semitism-and-islamophobia/

http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2016/08/05/4514098.htm

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5 minutes ago, Simon said:

It's not comparable. I It's just not the same. This doesn't mean that the islamophobia is not bad, but those two things just can't be compared. 

And I know that, Jews are an ethnicity. Ashkenazi Jews, Sephardim, Mizrahim all share their origin in the Levant btw and all are connected to each other. It's genetical proven so I don't know you mean of the "actual jewish ppl of jewish race" bs. 

Islam and Judaism are two different things. You are born Jewish. You cannot easily convert to Judaism. While Islam is a missionary religion. 

I understand that you are either born jewish or it is difficult to convert. However the "race" debate has been going on for a long time. Judaism is a religion with some sort of ancestry ties. You almost "inherit" your Judaism...however it is not a fix race. Again there are black ethiopian jewish ppl (of black descent / ancestry), white ashkenazi, chinese jews (yes google it) etc...They do not all stem from the same ancestor. 

And again are you going to tell me that Islam has not been racialized? Anyone of a middle eastern / south asian look is usually stereotyped almost immediately. It has become racialized. At least in most of the West.

Both situations are comparable no matter how much you want to deny it. I am NOT saying they are the same or the motives are the same but I am seeing a similar pattern of what has been said about the Jews in Nazi times to what is being said about muslims in Europe. Can you deny that?

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10 minutes ago, Simon said:

@Albertodift check this: http://forward.com/scribe/358762/the-significant-differences-between-anti-semitism-and-islamophobia/

http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2016/08/05/4514098.htm

i'll make sure to check this out later today. However from the title I can tell that it will only say stuff that I already believe in. What I am saying is that what is happening or being said about Jews is the same that has and is being said about muslims right now. Certain things do parallel almost perfectly. I am not talking about the motives, reasons, consequences of this. I am simply speaking of what is being said about them. It is the same thing. and the rhetoric that our right wing politicians have right now does parallel that of the Nazis in their beginning phase (before it got even crazier). Trying to alienate and create "the other" was what the Nazis did in the beginning and it is what some of our politicians are doing now. 

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6 minutes ago, Albertodift said:

I understand that you are either born jewish or it is difficult to convert. However the "race" debate has been going on for a long time. Judaism is a religion with some sort of ancestry ties. You almost "inherit" your Judaism...however it is not a fix race. Again there are black ethiopian jewish ppl (of black descent / ancestry), white ashkenazi, chinese jews (yes google it) etc...They do not all stem from the same ancestor. 

And again are you going to tell me that Islam has not been racialized? Anyone of a middle eastern / south asian look is usually stereotyped almost immediately. It has become racialized. At least in most of the West.

Both situations are comparable no matter how much you want to deny it. I am NOT saying they are the same or the motives are the same but I am seeing a similar pattern of what has been said about the Jews in Nazi times to what is being said about muslims in Europe. Can you deny that?

Ethnicity. Jew are an ethnicity. And they stem from the same ancestry. I know about that stuff. http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/science/1.681385 Read about that too! 

 

I never denied that Islam has been radicalized. It's just not the same as what Jews faced during Nazi Germany. Actually I think its quite offensive that you think that Jews faced the same. There were popular propaganda and books in Nazi Germany. Ban on Jewish stores (which happens still today btw) etc. Mosques don't get attacked in Europe while synagogues are still under police protection. 

You can call out islamophobia without bringing Nazi Germany in. Nazi Germany ideology wasn't directed against Judaism, but the Jewish people. 

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She hurts her points by lying and making very biased points. I'm sorry, but this is not how you start a productive conversation, talking down to people like she does. She is ignorant as ****. Shocked that people defend this crappy mess. 

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5 minutes ago, Albertodift said:

i'll make sure to check this out later today. However from the title I can tell that it will only say stuff that I already believe in. What I am saying is that what is happening or being said about Jews is the same that has and is being said about muslims right now. Certain things do parallel almost perfectly. I am not talking about the motives, reasons, consequences of this. I am simply speaking of what is being said about them. It is the same thing. and the rhetoric that our right wing politicians have right now does parallel that of the Nazis in their beginning phase (before it got even crazier). Trying to alienate and create "the other" was what the Nazis did in the beginning and it is what some of our politicians are doing now. 

yeah but then you can compare it to anything. You even can compare it to Muslim anti-semitism against Jews in their countries for example. 

Or compare it to the treatment of Black people in the US. 

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11 minutes ago, Simon said:

Ethnicity. Jew are an ethnicity. And they stem from the same ancestry. I know about that stuff. http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/science/1.681385 Read about that too! 

 

I never denied that Islam has been radicalized. It's just not the same as what Jews faced during Nazi Germany. Actually I think its quite offensive that you think that Jews faced the same. There were popular propaganda and books in Nazi Germany. Ban on Jewish stores (which happens still today btw) etc. Mosques don't get attacked in Europe while synagogues are still under police protection. 

You can call out islamophobia without bringing Nazi Germany in. Nazi Germany ideology wasn't directed against Judaism, but the Jewish people. 

Again it is similar. I'm mainly talking about the entirety of the west. Mosques are being attacked and/or vandalized in the West. In fact just a couple of months ago a mosque was attacked by a right wing white guy in Quebec (just one of many attacks though this one was bloody) other mosques get vandalized almost monthly all across europe etc... There was a travel ban in the US and it will most likely be happening in some other European countries within the next 50 years as there have been politicians that are gaining traction that suggest similar things. It is NOT offensive to make the comparison at all you know why? Because AGAIN I am not saying it is the exact same. I'm not even saying it will get to the same level of insanity that it got with the nazi germans. I'm saying that parallels do exist between what was being SAID (again SAID not DONE) about the jews during nazi times and the muslims. Now about the nazi book. Did you know Trump was considering (and still is) considering making a news article of all the "bad things" muslims have done in the West? Insane right? I'm sorry but these situations are comparable and there is absolutly nothing wrong with making that claim especially when I have claimed these things in the most respectful way and have explained why I am saying this with facts and examples. 

Again I have to specify that I am not saying it will get to the same point of what happened to the Jews in Europe. Mainly because it cannot happen. Muslims have homelands to return to if shet hits the fan and they are numerous (1.4 billion). What I am saying is the propaganda and the sentiment is pretty similar.