Kesha Accused of Cultural Appropriation

[Jellybean Monster 10]

Everyone's always accused of cultural appropriation these days. I understand that is a problem, but....lol...

[courtneylove 171]

THIS is not appropriation. I'm offended that you think it's offensive. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,665]

It amazes me how SJWs refuse to see context in any situation or are willing to make exceptions or just mind their own business. How on earth does a font somehow cause harm to South Asian people? Seriously, answer me that. There is no law that says we have to stick to our own culture with everything. And I think there is so much more to Kesha using that font than just simply because it was pretty. Maybe she really has an affiliation with Hindu beliefs and culture? Why do SJWs assume that anyone who uses a culture that isn't theirs is not the least bit educated on it?

Their tiny minds cannot wrap around the concept of how culture is, by definition, a shared experience. Otherwise, it can't become culture. If it stays exclusive and hidden, that's the quickest way to make a culture disrespected and/or forgotten. Make it relevant, allow outsiders to learn about it and indulge in it, put it in public view. Honestly, their little piece about "I know Kesha's been going through a hard time but..." is just sickening, honestly. Actually, it does make it acceptable. Because this woman is celebrating her hard-won freedom. And that includes the freedom to make the art she wants to make. If that includes using foreign fonts, she has every right too. Talk about missing the point of the video. She may be free of Dr Luke but she's still having her artistic expression dictated to her by members of the public! Irony thy name is SJW.

13 hours ago, ShockPop said:

Cultural appropriation is the new feminism.

Give it a rest.

Excuse me, I don't want feminism compared to being an SJW. Some feminists are SJWs but not all of them. I'm sure not and I think a conflation of the two is making feminism harder to be taken seriously. And feminism has been around for decades longer than cultural appropriation theory, so I think it's safe to say that feminism wins in the longevity and relevancy stakes.

12 hours ago, britneyspears said:

It really is a problem, despite what you may think.

Why is that someone like Miles Cyrus is praised for wearing dreadlocks, yet young black girls are literally being kicked out of their schools for having them? 

Then there's the issue of media sources exploring the use of Native American headdresses for financial gain. They have so much meaning for Native Americans, yet it's seemingly okay for them to be simply worn as a fashion statement and nothing more?

Globalization is not a problem, I welcome it with open arms. Nor is cultural appreciation, where people adopt from other cultures as a form of appreciation by understanding the significance of these things. The issue at heart is appropriation and exploitation - when people, generally white individuals, steal from another culture and:

a) fail to show a true understanding of the meaning of it;

b) exploit it to make money;

c) demean people of colour for doing the exact same. 

Here's a list of a few articles that you may find interesting, they explain my points in a slightly more coherent way:

http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/06/cultural-appropriation-wrong/

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/10/the-dos-and-donts-of-cultural-appropriation/411292/

http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/05/defending-cultural-appropriation/

https://www.thoughtco.com/cultural-appropriation-and-why-iits-wrong-2834561

I don't see anyone praising Miley for dreadlocks. Anyone who did was likely her own fans. I know you said some outlets praised her but you'll find that this is something certain media outlets just do, it's like it's in the contract or something. Every woman looks 'stunning,' even when she looks terrible. You quoted the Daily Mail as being an example of praising Miley - this is the same publication who says all celebrity women look good in every article. They praise black women just as much as white women, trust me. You see, this is one of the biggest lies that is spread about the hair debate. White people are not praised for black hairstyles in general, it tends to be just those closest to them who praise them and well, that's what loved ones do. The rest of the world tends not to be as kind. And I think you'll find that white people wearing such hairstyles in school wouldn't be allowed to either. Certain black hairstyles can be messy looking (dreadlocks) or difficult to see over (afros). School is about looking neat and presentable and you have to see straight ahead of you. There's not much to say here. Certain white hairstyles aren't allowed either. You don't see mohawks being allowed in school, do you? It's right up there with dying hair in unnatural colours or too-bright shades of natural colours (I read an article about a girl who was suspended for dying her natural red hair a brighter shade of red which was deemed too distracting). Schools have dress codes. The working world has dress codes. For good reason. Just because a style is natural doesn't mean it's appropriate in every situation. And natural hair is when hair is kept the way it naturally grows out of your head. Black hairstyles involve taking that natural hair and styling it. Cornrows aren't natural. Braids aren't natural. Dreadlocks aren't natural. In fact, some black hairstyles involve using hair that isn't even yours!

Thing is, anyone can make a headdress. Something you make yourself can have as much or as little meaning as you want. It doesn't matter what other cultures think of your creation. It's up to you if you think a band with feathers on it has a sacred element only to be worn by certain people...or is just a band with feathers on it and nothing more. Headdresses have as much or as little meaning to them depending on the individual. If someone wants to use one purely as a fashion statement, that is their right to self-expression just as much as it is a Native American's right to wear one as a sign of spiritual devotion and awakening. You are allowed to have different reasons for doing the same thing.

Trust me, I have read a lot of such articles and they are just riddled with contradictions and double standards. How anyone puts any weight in them is beyond me.

[ShockPop 7,747]

43 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

It amazes me how SJWs refuse to see context in any situation or are willing to make exceptions or just mind their own business. How on earth does a font somehow cause harm to South Asian people? Seriously, answer me that. There is no law that says we have to stick to our own culture with everything. And I think there is so much more to Kesha using that font than just simply because it was pretty. Maybe she really has an affiliation with Hindu beliefs and culture? Why do SJWs assume that anyone who uses a culture that isn't theirs is not the least bit educated on it?

Their tiny minds cannot wrap around the concept of how culture is, by definition, a shared experience. Otherwise, it can't become culture. If it stays exclusive and hidden, that's the quickest way to make a culture disrespected and/or forgotten. Make it relevant, allow outsiders to learn about it and indulge in it, put it in public view. Honestly, their little piece about "I know Kesha's been going through a hard time but..." is just sickening, honestly. Actually, it does make it acceptable. Because this woman is celebrating her hard-won freedom. And that includes the freedom to make the art she wants to make. If that includes using foreign fonts, she has every right too. Talk about missing the point of the video. She may be free of Dr Luke but she's still having her artistic expression dictated to her by members of the public! Irony thy name is SJW.

Excuse me, I don't want feminism compared to being an SJW. Some feminists are SJWs but not all of them. I'm sure not and I think a conflation of the two is making feminism harder to be taken seriously. And feminism has been around for decades longer than cultural appropriation theory, so I think it's safe to say that feminism wins in the longevity and relevancy stakes.

I don't see anyone praising Miley for dreadlocks. Anyone who did was likely her own fans. I know you said some outlets praised her but you'll find that this is something certain media outlets just do, it's like it's in the contract or something. Every woman looks 'stunning,' even when she looks terrible. You quoted the Daily Mail as being an example of praising Miley - this is the same publication who says all celebrity women look good in every article. They praise black women just as much as white women, trust me. You see, this is one of the biggest lies that is spread about the hair debate. White people are not praised for black hairstyles in general, it tends to be just those closest to them who praise them and well, that's what loved ones do. The rest of the world tends not to be as kind. And I think you'll find that white people wearing such hairstyles in school wouldn't be allowed to either. Certain black hairstyles can be messy looking (dreadlocks) or difficult to see over (afros). School is about looking neat and presentable and you have to see straight ahead of you. There's not much to say here. Certain white hairstyles aren't allowed either. You don't see mohawks being allowed in school, do you? It's right up there with dying hair in unnatural colours or too-bright shades of natural colours (I read an article about a girl who was suspended for dying her natural red hair a brighter shade of red which was deemed too distracting). Schools have dress codes. The working world has dress codes. For good reason. Just because a style is natural doesn't mean it's appropriate in every situation. And natural hair is when hair is kept the way it naturally grows out of your head. Black hairstyles involve taking that natural hair and styling it. Cornrows aren't natural. Braids aren't natural. Dreadlocks aren't natural. In fact, some black hairstyles involve using hair that isn't even yours!

Thing is, anyone can make a headdress. Something you make yourself can have as much or as little meaning as you want. It doesn't matter what other cultures think of your creation. It's up to you if you think a band with feathers on it has a sacred element only to be worn by certain people...or is just a band with feathers on it and nothing more. Headdresses have as much or as little meaning to them depending on the individual. If someone wants to use one purely as a fashion statement, that is their right to self-expression just as much as it is a Native American's right to wear one as a sign of spiritual devotion and awakening. You are allowed to have different reasons for doing the same thing.

Trust me, I have read a lot of such articles and they are just riddled with contradictions and double standards. How anyone puts any weight in them is beyond me.

It's funny you speak of context but fail to see the context of what I wrote.

Cultural appropriation is the new feminism in that certain people use it as a go-to phrase to justify any level of mindless whining about a whole lot of nothing. Not all feminism, but sjws.

[StrawberryBlond 14,665]

1 minute ago, ShockPop said:

It's funny you speak of context but fail to see the context of what I wrote.

Cultural appropriation is the new feminism in that certain people use it as a go-to phrase to justify any level of mindless whining about a whole lot of nothing. Not all feminism, but sjws.

Because what you wrote brought up feminism when that had nothing to do with the topic.

Do you agree with feminism or not? Because here you're saying that it's used to justify mindless whining about nothing. But you're not making it clear if you mean that feminism is fine but it's not always the catalyst behind every decision a woman makes or if you mean that feminism is bad? Your statement was no ambiguous.

[The Fame 4,186]

This is so stupid. It's a font. 

There are people dying in this world.

 

IT'S. A. FONT. 

[ShockPop 7,747]

16 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Because what you wrote brought up feminism when that had nothing to do with the topic.

Do you agree with feminism or not? Because here you're saying that it's used to justify mindless whining about nothing. But you're not making it clear if you mean that feminism is fine but it's not always the catalyst behind every decision a woman makes or if you mean that feminism is bad? Your statement was no ambiguous.

I thought it was quite clear that I meant it was the new feminism aka the new popular scapegoat for serial complainers and people who don't know what they're talking about. I agree with equality, we don't really have an issue with that in the UK where gender is concerned, I do not agree with sjw mentality of (I can't think how to phrase it) "hunt the white man" essentially.

[StrawberryBlond 14,665]

But you haven't actually said if you support feminism or not. Your explanation doesn't make it clear. And you'd be shocked to see the true level of equality that we have in the UK. I have stats that shocked me. Something that feminism tries to debunk is the idea that only women in the middle east and third world countries have problems with equality. But I digress. My point is you can be a feminist and be anti-SJW, which I am. I don't want to be lumped in with them just because some of my fellow feminists want to be.

[En_Sabah_Nur 9,359]

Well well well, looky looks here - Another SJW back to RUIN the day for everybody!!!  🙄

I've been saying for a long time now that SJWs are TRULY becoming out of control, and are going to eventually alienate almost everyone if they keep this BS up!

I swear before you know it, the word "Boo" will be offensive to ghosts if you aren't one.  SMFH

 

[sillynate 6,170]

14 hours ago, ChristianDior said:

Where were these people during Madonna's Ray of Light-era? They must have been shook back then.

Appreciating another culture... The blasphemy. 

They weren't born yet

[StarlightSeiya 1,242]

This is such a reach oh my goodness! Let her have her time.

[just another gay 835]

ugh, SJW like this throw everyone off, blinded the issue when it really happens and matters.

[Queen Gloria 3,457]

Wow.. 

[MusicLover83 101]

Honestly, it looked like she was trying to go a neutral all cultures type of thing. Since when is it a bad thing to honor cultures by the way you dress? She is not making fun of anybody, she is trying to honor and respect whatever culture she is going for, which I am not even sure what it is to be honest. All of this is getting way out of hand. We literally cannot do anything any more without someone crying culture appropriation. There is a time and place for everything but I don't feel this is one of those times. 

[MusicLover83 101]

Anybody else think it's ironic that he is calling her out for this and his twitter handle is incredibly offensive to Asians? I know he is Asian, but that still does not make it right to use that word. Sorry....