Burqa banned, pro LGBT mosque slammed by islamic authority

[Melech 9,900]

"The woman who opened a mosque in Berlin where men and women pray together and face-covering headscarves are banned has vowed to defy a fatwa from Egypt’s highest Islamic authority and criticism from the Turkish government.

German-Turkish women’s rights activist Seyran Ates, 54, pioneered the opening of the Ibn Rushd-Goethe Mosque in the Moabit neighborhood of Berlin on June 16. Ates said that the mosque was open to all, including LGBT Muslims, and would seek to provide a liberal counterpoint to extremist interpretations of Islam espoused by groups like the Islamic State militant group (ISIS).

But the mosque has not been received well by traditional Islamic authorities in Egypt and Turkey, where Ates was born. Al-Azhar University in Cairo, which is widely regarded as the world’s highest authority on Sunni Islamic theology and sharia law, issued a religious judgement (or fatwa) criticizing liberal mosques in general, according to The Guardian.

Egypt’s state-run Islamic institution, Dar al-Ifta al-Masriyyah, issued a statement on June 19 heavily criticizing the Berlin mosque, saying that men and women praying side by side was a violation of Islam and stating that such liberalization of Islamic values was not the way to combat extremism.

In Turkey, the criticism has been widespread and virulent. Turkey’s main religious authority, Diyanet, said that the Berlin mosque’s practices “do not align with Islam’s fundamental resources, principles of worship, methodology or experience of more than 14 centuries” and described them as “experiments aimed at nothing more than depraving and ruining religion.”

But Ates told The Guardian that she took heart from the criticism. “The pushback I am getting makes me feel that I am doing the right thing,” she said. “God is loving and merciful—otherwise he wouldn’t have turned me into the person I am.”

The mosque is housed in part of an old Lutheran church and is open to Muslims of all traditions, including Sunni and Shiite, as well as people of other religions or no faith. Ates, who is in training as an imam, has led prayers at the mosque; the position of imam is traditionally reserved for men in mainstream Islam.

She also banned the wearing of burqas and niqabs—the former covers the whole face except the eyes; the latter covers the entire face, with a mesh for the wearer to see through—at the mosque as she considered such practices to be “political statements,” Ates said in an interview with German magazine Spiegel.

Ates told The Guardian that the congregation has dwindled since the mosque opened as would-be worshippers stayed away due to the controversy. She said that the mosque had nothing to do with Gulen or his followers, and added that she has been the subject of abuse and death threats herself."

http://www.newsweek.com/islam-germany-berlin-liberal-mosque-al-azhar-fatwa-628945

 my respect to Ates. 

 

[Moebius 8,965]

Finally

 

[AIex 3,102]

lets trade in our burqas for our auras hunties

[Ricardo 8,220]

It's still hard for me to understand why would any LGBT person want to join or being in a religion where they are condemned no matter what  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

but I'm glad she's pissing off higher ranking figures of Islam 

[Redstreak 6,653]

I applaud the pro LGBT part, but banning the burqa? How is forcing a woman to not be able to wear something she may possibly choose of her own free will any different from forcing her to wear something she may not want to?

[re di tutto 924]

Legend!

[Mary Jane Wayne 1,997]

29 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

I applaud the pro LGBT part, but banning the burqa? How is forcing a woman to not be able to wear something she may possibly choose of her own free will any different from forcing her to wear something she may not want to?

You think women actually want to wear burqa? 

I feel sorry for women who have to cover themselves in layers of black clothing in the middle of summer. I'm pretty sure they aren't doing it according to their own will 

Burqa is a form of male oppression.

You are religious and believe in dressing modestly? Nice. Wear a hijab. But burqa should be banned everywhere. It is not even Islamic, even Quran doesn't mention burqa at all 

[Redstreak 6,653]

Just now, Mary Jane Wayne said:

You think women actually want to wear burqa? 

I feel sorry for women who have to cover themselves in layers of black clothing in the middle of summer. I'm pretty sure they aren't doing it according to their own will 

Burqa is a form of male oppression.

You are religious and believe in dressing modestly? Nice. Wear a hijab. But burqa should be banned everywhere. It is not even Islamic, Quran doesn't mention burqa at all 

I mean I for one love to ****ing cover myself up. I literally wear heavy clothing even throughout summer when it's like 90 degrees. You don't get to decide for other people whether they want to wear something or not. Like have you ever talked to a person that has ever worn a burqa? Like if you saw a woman wearing a burqa are you just going to tell her she's too stupid to know what she's doing regardless of what she tells you?

[Melech 9,900]

32 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

I applaud the pro LGBT part, but banning the burqa? How is forcing a woman to not be able to wear something she may possibly choose of her own free will any different from forcing her to wear something she may not want to?

It's funny to me how this gets called out, meanwhile no one say **** about mosques/muslim authorities  forcing woman to wear burqa. 

I will just translate what she says, I translate it so there might be some mistakes:

I think it's impressive and very striking that it is a lot white man who speak against a burqa ban. Similiar to the headscarf. They like to insult the right part of the society and to call them out to missing sensitivity on the subject of hatred against woman. They either use the burqa debate of election or want to look like better democrats and Germans.

I prefer to show solidarity not only in Germany ,but worldwide with woman, who fight against face covering and with this against the refication and dehumanizations of woman. Also the West has the West has the task in the subject to look outside it borders and to see the pain woman in the islamic world have because half or full covering. 

We live in a free world and every should decide if she covers herself. With this argument you give an easy answer to a complicated question, with what the islamic world, especially woman activists need to deal with. The full covering, the wearing of a burqa, is rare in germany, but the half-covering is growing. 20 years ago there was almost no child in the Kindergarten or elementary class who wear a headscarf. 

We get used to it that small girls wearing a headscarf, that no one dares to question it with eye on gender equality. Freedom of religion is a thought-terminating cliché, especially when it comes to woman rights.

Many people in Europe, especially non-muslims, make it very easy, when they see face-coverings under the point of freedom of religion. As a woman activists i'm not surprised by that.

Should the wearing of a burqa be prohibited? No, says Khola Maryam Hübsch. A prohibition would be against the constitution and wouldn't speak of our free values. 

Should muslims do with their woman, what they want, that's hidden agenda I believe they imply [to the statement of Hübsch]. Because otherwise it can't be explaned that lawyers of freedom of religion make no other thought like about the equality of genders that which  was fought in hundreds of years against massive resistance in the court. The right of gender equality in Germany is only for Non-Muslims."

http://www.ndr.de/ndrkultur/sendungen/freitagsforum/Seyran-Ates-fordert-ein-Burka-Verbot,freitagsforum302.html

 

[Melech 9,900]

4 minutes ago, Mary Jane Wayne said:

You think women actually want to wear burqa? 

I feel sorry for women who have to cover themselves in layers of black clothing in the middle of summer. I'm pretty sure they aren't doing it according to their own will 

Burqa is a form of male oppression.

You are religious and believe in dressing modestly? Nice. Wear a hijab. But burqa should be banned everywhere. It is not even Islamic, even Quran doesn't mention burqa at all 

I also find it very surprising how that get called but the forced wearing of burqas gets almost never get called out

[Mary Jane Wayne 1,997]

10 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

I mean I for one love to ****ing cover myself up. I literally wear heavy clothing even throughout summer when it's like 90 degrees. You don't get to decide for other people whether they want to wear something or not. Like have you ever talked to a person that has ever worn a burqa? Like if you saw a woman wearing a burqa are you just going to tell her she's too stupid to know what she's doing regardless of what she tells you?

Most of the times its forced and shoved upon women's throats by their husbands/fathers/brothers. Facts only. Banning burqa = Preventing male oppression of females 

[Redstreak 6,653]

3 minutes ago, Mary Jane Wayne said:

Most of the times its forced and shoved upon women's throats by their husbands/fathers/brothers. Facts only. Banning burqa = Preventing male oppression of females 

Those aren't mutually exclusive? A woman in America can choose to wear a burqa of her own accord while a woman in another country can be forced into it? Also you dodged my question. If you saw a woman on the street wearing a burqa would you force her to undress herself? You don't think a random male stranger walking up to a woman minding her own business and being told she has to remove her clothing isn't also oppressive? I mean why stop there, isn't any societal expectation to cover up in any capacity a form of oppression?

[Melech 9,900]

It's always funny to me how white western men try to talk over Muslim feminist woman 

[i medici 1,746]

5 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

A woman in America can choose to wear a burqa of her own accord while a woman in another country can be forced into it?

Woman in America can also be forced into wearing it.

 

[Redstreak 6,653]

1 minute ago, i medici said:

Woman in America can also be forced into wearing it.

 

While some can still not be.