ALL Charts Discussion: Gaga: Five Foot Two boosting Joanne and its songs

[Thomas P 18,464]

1 minute ago, Cracks said:

It happens to every (great) artist. Reached a certain level of success and a certain age, it's hard to keep the passion you once had.  I mean, in the past gaga served great music video and promoted the **** out of each of her single because she wanted to prove something. And now she has nothing to prove anymore (commercial wise at least). 

Normally the artists are about 45 or older when this happens. Not 31 and in their vocal prime.

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

Just now, Cracks said:

And now she has nothing to prove anymore (commercial wise at least). 

on the contrary I think now more than ever she needs to prove her longevity. She is crossing her first decade soon but she needs to reaffirm an upswing in her career at least.

then again she doesn't seem to care anymore, and in retrospect, Joanne is already commercially and critically bigger than an album from another pop girl of a comparable tier, so what do i know

i just still somehow believe Gaga will be the Madonna of our generation. or im delulu

[WildAmerican 13,672]

2 minutes ago, Cracks said:

It happens to every (great) artist. Reached a certain level of success and a certain age, it's hard to keep the passion you once had.  I mean, in the past gaga served great music video and promoted the **** out of each of her single because she wanted to prove something. And now she has nothing to prove anymore (commercial wise at least). 

Certainly seemed like she had something to prove with MR.... and while that worked, it's hard for us to see a song we all love so much (TC) given nothing.

[LetsGetHigh 52,683]

The Cure MV coming today rejoice and love yourself today cause 

Jk I want to die

[Thomas P 18,464]

1 minute ago, DeanWinchester said:

i just still somehow believe Gaga will be the Madonna of our generation. or im delulu

It's what's supposed to happen. I think she just doesn't give a **** and that hurts me on a personal level 

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

Just now, LetsGetHigh said:

Jk I want to die

why die when you can get high

[Cracks 1,238]

1 minute ago, Thomas P said:

Normally the artists are about 45 or older when this happens. Not 31 and in their vocal prime.

I agree but Gaga's career is an exception. She became so big so fast.

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

Just now, Thomas P said:

It's what's supposed to happen. I think she just doesn't give a **** and that hurts me on a personal level 

i know what you exactly what you mean 

[LetsGetHigh 52,683]

Just now, DeanWinchester said:

why die when you can get high

Feeling low from being so high

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

Just now, Cracks said:

I agree but Gaga's career is an exception. She became so big so fast.

Actually Gaga followed Britney and Madonna in terms of being big so fast, and the latter two crossed their decade with continued moderate commercial success, public interest and/or critical acclaim. Only difference is Britney is the only one among the three who couldn't really sing properly, so I never considered her a contender to be the next Madonna. Gaga had the makings of it, ALL of it. And while I know she wants to be more than just the next Madonna, one can not deny how massive the impact and longevity of Madonna is that even though she's boxed in pop, she's still the best in it. I just want the younger generation asking us eventually who Lady Gaga is and we answer them the way our parents would answer for Madonna and her career

 

/rant

[nick4bty 2,758]

Gaga still has a lot to prove, just not with basic trendy pop music. She had something to prove with Joanne and MR, and through her endless promotion (and label help) she got it to 70M AI, 1M digital sales, #4 peak, and Joanne was a commercial and critical success. But for basic pop music, that ship has sailed, that's why she's paying no attention to TC. She'll promote the **** out of the movie and soundtrack though, so we can at least look forward to that

[ArtGagaPop 61,940]

1 minute ago, nick4bty said:

Gaga still has a lot to prove, just not with basic trendy pop music. She had something to prove with Joanne and MR, and through her endless promotion (and label help) she got it to 70M AI, 1M digital sales, #4 peak, and Joanne was a commercial and critical success. But for basic pop music, that ship has sailed, that's why she's paying no attention to TC. She'll promote the **** out of the movie and soundtrack though, so we can at least look forward to that

Inbefore she releases a solo jazz album and pays ASIB promo dust 

[nick4bty 2,758]

1 minute ago, DeanWinchester said:

Actually Gaga followed Britney and Madonna in terms of being big so fast, and the latter two crossed their decade with continued moderate commercial success, public interest and/or critical acclaim. Only difference is Britney is the only one among the three who couldn't really sing properly, so I never considered her a contender to be the next Madonna. Gaga had the makings of it, ALL of it. And while I know she wants to be more than just the next Madonna, one can not deny how massive the impact and longevity of Madonna is that even though she's boxed in pop, she's still the best in it. I just want the younger generation asking us eventually who Lady Gaga is and we answer them the way our parents would answer for Madonna and her career

 

/rant

I personally think this is ridiculous. Madonna never set trends, only followed them. The minuted Gaga started following trends (ARTPOP) she got left behind. Gaga is best when she's doing her own thing, always has been. Look at how many artists are taking a Joanne-approach now with their music. The younger generation knows Gaga. Everyone knows Gaga. She's one of the most recognizable names in entertainment and always will be. Just like Madonna, or Cher, or anyone who's had insane longevity. 

[nick4bty 2,758]

2 minutes ago, ArtGagaPop said:

Inbefore she releases a solo jazz album and pays ASIB promo dust 

Kinda offtopic but she should really release another jazz album with Tony, it doesn't seem like he's doing too well nowadays

Plus guaranteed Grammy

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

Just now, nick4bty said:

Madonna never set trends, only followed them.

This claim is true starting with Hard Candy. Before that, quite a delusional claim

1 minute ago, nick4bty said:

The younger generation knows Gaga. Everyone knows Gaga. She's one of the most recognizable names in entertainment and always will be. Just like Madonna, or Cher, or anyone who's had insane longevity.

They know her but they don't buy nor stream her music. Not really a good position, isn't it? True about younger artists citing her as an influence though.