Justin change #1 hit lyrics to blah blah blah

[babs 5,093]

Why are people still making this f*ck famous?

[NCgaga 4,345]

8 hours ago, lairofhk said:

I made a point, multiple times, and it keeps going right over your head. Take Miley Cyrus - she blatantly used hip hop to boost her career, literally used black people as props in her performances, and then discarded the whole thing like a piece of trash when it was no longer convenient for her to use it, suddenly claiming that hip hop was too much about "pu*sy money weed" (which is also equally offensive). And here she is again, going back to her country roots, and we're all just supposed to forget about what she did 3 years ago? Miley got more recognition for using hip hop and not even doing it well, than did actual, talented black rappers, of which there are MANY. And, that is THEIR culture to begin with. 

On a separate note, tell me why Macklemore, a white, mediocre-ass rapper, won album of the year over Kendrick Lamar? How about Taylor Swift's album winning over Kendrick Lamar's "To Pimp a Butterfly"? These people are mediocre and are awarded for it. Their whiteness certainly plays a role. It is much rarer for a black or brown artist to be recognized in the same way, even if, as in the case of Kendrick, their body of work is 1000x superior than that of said white artist. If you think race has nothing to do with how others succeed more than others, especially when certain (white) people appropriate things of others and act like it's their own,  AND get praised and win Grammys for it, you are fooling yourself. Again, it's more than just about the fact that anybody can be mediocre. Societal context is important, and that's what you're excluding from your thought process. Think about this harder. I sure hope you'll get there. 

Wait wait wait. And you're saying that all the white Indy rockers, blues, folk singers, blue grass that get IGNORED by the industry are just as priveleged?

 

Nothing is going over my head. Believe me, I know all about white privilege and it's effects on society. But you are reaching here. So what you're saying, by the same token is that a white artist can't change their whole prerogative or musical direction? Many artists have done so. Beyoncé performed at the Country music awards this year to broaden horizons. I was pissed as hell when country fans got mad for her being there. I was glad she was exploring music. Was it to gain fans and make more money? Hell yeah. But so what. The Dixie chicks agreed to perform with her. She didn't use them. IT's the same with Miley. Miley was at a stage in her life where she wanted to do hip hop. She smoked weed. A few years later, she decides to change her direction, and stop smoking weed. She is a grown ass woman. ANd she is right. Hip hop has become masoginistic. She knows she was apart of it, but decided she wasn't anymore. We are all adults and can do what we want, wear what we want, sing how we want and express ourselves the way we want, without someone like you saying, NOPE, you can't do this or that, because your'e white. You don't own a culture and you can't tell someone how to express themselves, period. Please don't act like you are holy-er than thou and have  never changed directions in your tastes in clothes style, music, etc. 

And Macklemore? What's your problem with Macklemore. He actually isn't mediocre. He has bars and raps about subject matter. He deserves awards. Because YOU prefer someone over someone else, doesn't make it factual. Sure, lots of people thought Kendrick should win over Macklemore. HOwever, some don't. I have both albums and preferred Macklemore's. I love the production to macklemore's songs, and the fact that he wasn't even signed to a label and rapped about real life situations- isn't mediocre. You're just mad he is white, and your fav didn't win. Drake is nowhere near as talented as Kendrick or Macklemore, but Drake has won more awards than both, and he is a person of color. -  Bruno Mars has been the most awarded and successful male solo musician in the past Almost decade, and is also a person of color, (though not mediocre) . 

IT's one thing to push an agenda based on real merit, but it's another thing to just spewing nonsense, that you become just as racist and problematic, as what you're supposed to be against. All races in the mainstream have produced mediocrity, and had success with it. Blame that on our peers that keep buying the **** music. 

[JoanneMonster 9,058]

I'm a spanish speaker and I'm offended by him saying ''blablablabla burrito'', like people are super ignorant thinking all spanish speaker do is say burrito or eat tacos

[Bradley 59,932]

I know he was probably joking but seriously you're a singer so show some respect for your co-singers which made a song with you.

[lairofhk 936]

8 hours ago, NCgaga said:

Wait wait wait. And you're saying that all the white Indy rockers, blues, folk singers, blue grass that get IGNORED by the industry are just as priveleged?

 

Nothing is going over my head. Believe me, I know all about white privilege and it's effects on society. But you are reaching here. So what you're saying, by the same token is that a white artist can't change their whole prerogative or musical direction? Many artists have done so. Beyoncé performed at the Country music awards this year to broaden horizons. I was pissed as hell when country fans got mad for her being there. I was glad she was exploring music. Was it to gain fans and make more money? Hell yeah. But so what. The Dixie chicks agreed to perform with her. She didn't use them. IT's the same with Miley. Miley was at a stage in her life where she wanted to do hip hop. She smoked weed. A few years later, she decides to change her direction, and stop smoking weed. She is a grown ass woman. ANd she is right. Hip hop has become masoginistic. She knows she was apart of it, but decided she wasn't anymore. We are all adults and can do what we want, wear what we want, sing how we want and express ourselves the way we want, without someone like you saying, NOPE, you can't do this or that, because your'e white. You don't own a culture and you can't tell someone how to express themselves, period. Please don't act like you are holy-er than thou and have  never changed directions in your tastes in clothes style, music, etc. 

And Macklemore? What's your problem with Macklemore. He actually isn't mediocre. He has bars and raps about subject matter. He deserves awards. Because YOU prefer someone over someone else, doesn't make it factual. Sure, lots of people thought Kendrick should win over Macklemore. HOwever, some don't. I have both albums and preferred Macklemore's. I love the production to macklemore's songs, and the fact that he wasn't even signed to a label and rapped about real life situations- isn't mediocre. You're just mad he is white, and your fav didn't win. Drake is nowhere near as talented as Kendrick or Macklemore, but Drake has won more awards than both, and he is a person of color. -  Bruno Mars has been the most awarded and successful male solo musician in the past Almost decade, and is also a person of color, (though not mediocre) . 

IT's one thing to push an agenda based on real merit, but it's another thing to just spewing nonsense, that you become just as racist and problematic, as what you're supposed to be against. All races in the mainstream have produced mediocrity, and had success with it. Blame that on our peers that keep buying the **** music. 

Still missing the point, completely. Sounds like you're getting a little emotionally fragile here, lol. At this point, the real questions for me is why are you so unwilling to come for white people? If you know SO much about white privilege, then you should understand that it permeates everything in our culture and society, including the music industry. You failing to see that tells me everything I need to know. 

And, sorry, I just have to briefly to respond to this absurd statement: "I have both albums and preferred Macklemore's. I love the production to macklemore's songs, and the fact that he wasn't even signed to a label and rapped about real life situations- isn't mediocre. You're just mad he is white, and your fav didn't win." Wow. Did you really just suggest that Kendrick doesn't rap about "real life situations" ? You just demonstrated your ignorance right there. What a totally absurd and honestly offensive thing to say. You have a lot to learn. Clearly. 

 

[NCgaga 4,345]

2 hours ago, lairofhk said:

Still missing the point, completely. Sounds like you're getting a little emotionally fragile here, lol. At this point, the real questions for me is why are you so unwilling to come for white people? If you know SO much about white privilege, then you should understand that it permeates everything in our culture and society, including the music industry. You failing to see that tells me everything I need to know. 

And, sorry, I just have to briefly to respond to this absurd statement: "I have both albums and preferred Macklemore's. I love the production to macklemore's songs, and the fact that he wasn't even signed to a label and rapped about real life situations- isn't mediocre. You're just mad he is white, and your fav didn't win." Wow. Did you really just suggest that Kendrick doesn't rap about "real life situations" ? You just demonstrated your ignorance right there. What a totally absurd and honestly offensive thing to say. You have a lot to learn. Clearly. 

 

Lol, you can think what you want. I know Kendrick raps about real life situations. I didn't say he didn't. I said I have his album. I was taking up for Macklemore. You came for Macklemore and I was defending him. i don't feel the need to "come for white people" like you do. If you feel you need to come for any race, than you need to take a good strong look at yourself. And I clearly understood the point you were "trying" to make. Since I called out your hypocrisy you want to insinuate I'm emotional or call me ignorant. Bad technique when you're losing an argument. 

Check yourself. Check your own insecurities about other races. My point was mediocrity is clearly not just a white thing- which is a picture you've been trying to paint. It's not factual and your argument failed. I listed the most successful artists of the past decade who are also some of the most rewarded, and they are people of color. Quit trying to spread negativity. 

[lairofhk 936]

27 minutes ago, NCgaga said:

Lol, you can think what you want. I know Kendrick raps about real life situations. I didn't say he didn't. I said I have his album. I was taking up for Macklemore. You came for Macklemore and I was defending him. i don't feel the need to "come for white people" like you do. If you feel you need to come for any race, than you need to take a good strong look at yourself. And I clearly understood the point you were "trying" to make. Since I called out your hypocrisy you want to insinuate I'm emotional or call me ignorant. Bad technique when you're losing an argument. 

Check yourself. Check your own insecurities about other races. My point was mediocrity is clearly not just a white thing- which is a picture you've been trying to paint. It's not factual and your argument failed. I listed the most successful artists of the past decade who are also some of the most rewarded, and they are people of color. Quit trying to spread negativity. 

My argument is backed up by, and rooted in the existence of white privilege, which is something you said you totally get, but you clearly do fully not. I am white, not that that even matters, and I come for white people not just for the sake of it, but because they deserve to be called out. Are you scared to come for white people? Or does that emotionally trigger you? I mean, I really don't understand. You fail to incorporate important social, political, and cultural components into your thought process and argument. All you have to fall back on is "All races can be mediocre." You are massively oversimplifying this entire issue and discussion by reducing it to just that. This is FAR more complex than that. Get it through your head that people of all races being mediocre is NOT the point. That was never the point. All you've shown me here is you indeed do NOT fully comprehend white privilege and its pervasive, far-reaching societal scope. It pervades every facet of society, every industry. You really need to broaden your thinking here. Your jumping to the conclusion that I must be somehow racist or biased appears to be a knee-jerk defense mechanism. Your insistent defensiveness of white people here, illustrated by you repeatedly stating that "everyone can be mediocre," speaks more than anything else here. Again, stop oversimplifying such a complex subject. 

[MonsterBall13 1,222]

Mess ....the decay 

[Guest]

pretty sure he was just drunk lol 

[StrawberryBlond 15,371]

He shouldn't have done this remix if he couldn't do it live. It makes me so mad that people like Justin are happy to fill up the charts with their mediocre music and are hopping on every featured verse going to ensure they are kept around. But to branch out into getting sales from the Hispanic community by singing in Spanish on a remix is really a step too far. Changing a musical direction is fine if there is a real vision behind it but to use a community's music for a pure commercial agenda is unacceptable. To not even try to sing it properly live removes all doubt of this intention.

10 minutes ago, lairofhk said:

My argument is backed up by, and rooted in the existence of white privilege, which is something you said you totally get, but you clearly do fully not. I am white, not that that even matters, and I come for white people not just for the sake of it, but because they deserve to be called out. Are you scared to come for white people? Or does that emotionally trigger you? I mean, I really don't understand. You fail to incorporate important social, political, and cultural components into your thought process and argument. All you have to fall back on is "All races can be mediocre." You are massively oversimplifying this entire issue and discussion by reducing it to just that. This is FAR more complex than that. Get it through your head that people of all races being mediocre is NOT the point. That was never the point. All you've shown me here is you indeed do NOT fully comprehend white privilege and its pervasive, far-reaching societal scope. It pervades every facet of society, every industry. You really need to broaden your thinking here. Your jumping to the conclusion that I must be somehow racist or biased appears to be a knee-jerk defense mechanism. Your insistent defensiveness of white people here, illustrated by you repeatedly stating that "everyone can be mediocre," speaks more than anything else here. Again, stop oversimplifying such a complex subject. 

I know all this wasn't aimed at me, but can I just say how you are so far off the mark with the points you are making. The fact you're white and saying all this stuff is even more shocking. As a white person, you should know that a lot of claims about white privilege are false. Now, make no mistake, I fully understand how racism is still a driving force in our society and being white can make your life a whole lot easier in many ways. However, I will only support the fight for racial equality when the points made are valid. I will not sit around and keep quiet when there are statements about black struggle that are over-exaggerated or are downright lies. There is honestly so many ways I can rebut all these statements that I sometimes can't even be bothered wasting my time doing it anymore. I should just keep this stuff on file to copy and paste whenever it arises.

Out of all the ways black people are oppressed, you seriously think the music industry is a valid example? Post-jazz era, black music and its artists became some of the most respected. There wouldn't be all these claims of white artists trying to steal their music if they weren't. At most, a person of colour might experience a bit of resistance from a label if they want to make a style of music that isn't 'normal' for someone of their race but that's about it. Black artists are some of the richest, most successful, most awarded artists in the industry today. Just look at some of the most downloaded songs of all time. Look at every Grammy record statistic. Just yesterday, I brought up how, in 2004, all 12 of the Billboard Hot 100 #1's were urban songs by black artists with black features. Now, if this was an all-white list, people would be accusing the American public of only accepting white music. But when it's in reverse, there's this weird double standard that no one wants to bring up. I'm sure you'd agree that things were more racist the further you go back in history, so can you tell me why, 13 years ago, all the #1 singles of 2004 in America were by black artists? Maybe it's because the public do genuinely judge music based on its quality and not on the race of the people making it?

[NCgaga 4,345]

1 hour ago, lairofhk said:

My argument is backed up by, and rooted in the existence of white privilege, which is something you said you totally get, but you clearly do fully not. I am white, not that that even matters, and I come for white people not just for the sake of it, but because they deserve to be called out. Are you scared to come for white people? Or does that emotionally trigger you? I mean, I really don't understand. You fail to incorporate important social, political, and cultural components into your thought process and argument. All you have to fall back on is "All races can be mediocre." You are massively oversimplifying this entire issue and discussion by reducing it to just that. This is FAR more complex than that. Get it through your head that people of all races being mediocre is NOT the point. That was never the point. All you've shown me here is you indeed do NOT fully comprehend white privilege and its pervasive, far-reaching societal scope. It pervades every facet of society, every industry. You really need to broaden your thinking here. Your jumping to the conclusion that I must be somehow racist or biased appears to be a knee-jerk defense mechanism. Your insistent defensiveness of white people here, illustrated by you repeatedly stating that "everyone can be mediocre," speaks more than anything else here. Again, stop oversimplifying such a complex subject. 

You actually don't get it. You are so defensive of the white provelege argument, which is valid in the right context, that you have forgotten what this is about. White privelege is not valid in this context.You brought race into this discussion by saying you are tired of "white mediocrity, and it pisses you off". So where were you when Rihanna became one of the most rewarded artist of the past decade? She beat out truly talented artists of different races with her mediocrity. The same goes for Drake another of the top 5 artist of the past decade. White privelege exist- but white mediocrity doesn't. Mediocrity in itself, regardless of race exists. If real talent shined through- than Gaga would be the most rewarded. But no, she is beaten by mediocrity constantly- with sells and awards. By people like Rihanna, Drake, Taylor etc. 

Mediocrity is successful because it doesn't swing too far to one particular side or genre. It doesn't take things to "the next level" in order not to lose fans or offend. But, mediocrity is not a racial issue- you're just trying to make it one, with no validity besides your own opinion- which has obviously drawn conclusions before actually looking up facts. Don't blame mediocrity on one race.

[NCgaga 4,345]

1 hour ago, lairofhk said:

My argument is backed up by, and rooted in the existence of white privilege, which is something you said you totally get, but you clearly do fully not. I am white, not that that even matters, and I come for white people not just for the sake of it, but because they deserve to be called out. Are you scared to come for white people? Or does that emotionally trigger you? I mean, I really don't understand. You fail to incorporate important social, political, and cultural components into your thought process and argument. All you have to fall back on is "All races can be mediocre." You are massively oversimplifying this entire issue and discussion by reducing it to just that. This is FAR more complex than that. Get it through your head that people of all races being mediocre is NOT the point. That was never the point. All you've shown me here is you indeed do NOT fully comprehend white privilege and its pervasive, far-reaching societal scope. It pervades every facet of society, every industry. You really need to broaden your thinking here. Your jumping to the conclusion that I must be somehow racist or biased appears to be a knee-jerk defense mechanism. Your insistent defensiveness of white people here, illustrated by you repeatedly stating that "everyone can be mediocre," speaks more than anything else here. Again, stop oversimplifying such a complex subject. 

out of the top 5 Grammy award winning female artists of all time, 3 of them are black, two are white. Very similar for male Grammy winners. The number one selling solo artist of all time is black. Black influence on music is HUGE in the US. It's been celebrated, awarded and enjoyed for decades. You are minimalizing it's effects on our culture, with falsities, and your opinion. You don't even realize how damaging and racist that is. 

[lairofhk 936]

4 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

He shouldn't have done this remix if he couldn't do it live. It makes me so mad that people like Justin are happy to fill up the charts with their mediocre music and are hopping on every featured verse going to ensure they are kept around. But to branch out into getting sales from the Hispanic community by singing in Spanish on a remix is really a step too far. Changing a musical direction is fine if there is a real vision behind it but to use a community's music for a pure commercial agenda is unacceptable. To not even try to sing it properly live removes all doubt of this intention.

I know all this wasn't aimed at me, but can I just say how you are so far off the mark with the points you are making. The fact you're white and saying all this stuff is even more shocking. As a white person, you should know that a lot of claims about white privilege are false. Now, make no mistake, I fully understand how racism is still a driving force in our society and being white can make your life a whole lot easier in many ways. However, I will only support the fight for racial equality when the points made are valid. I will not sit around and keep quiet when there are statements about black struggle that are over-exaggerated or are downright lies. There is honestly so many ways I can rebut all these statements that I sometimes can't even be bothered wasting my time doing it anymore. I should just keep this stuff on file to copy and paste whenever it arises.

Out of all the ways black people are oppressed, you seriously think the music industry is a valid example? Post-jazz era, black music and its artists became some of the most respected. There wouldn't be all these claims of white artists trying to steal their music if they weren't. At most, a person of colour might experience a bit of resistance from a label if they want to make a style of music that isn't 'normal' for someone of their race but that's about it. Black artists are some of the richest, most successful, most awarded artists in the industry today. Just look at some of the most downloaded songs of all time. Look at every Grammy record statistic. Just yesterday, I brought up how, in 2004, all 12 of the Billboard Hot 100 #1's were urban songs by black artists with black features. Now, if this was an all-white list, people would be accusing the American public of only accepting white music. But when it's in reverse, there's this weird double standard that no one wants to bring up. I'm sure you'd agree that things were more racist the further you go back in history, so can you tell me why, 13 years ago, all the #1 singles of 2004 in America were by black artists? Maybe it's because the public do genuinely judge music based on its quality and not on the race of the people making it?

"The fact you're white and saying all this stuff is even more shocking...As a white person, you should know that a lot of claims about white privilege are false." LMAO, wow, another triggered white person acting butthurt lol, what else is new around here. You're disturbed by the fact that, I, as a white person, can be critical of white people, and am willing and able to call them out on their sh*t? I mean, really, I hear this kind of crap you're saying from other white people all the time and it is so exhausting. Also, can I say, this whole black people being at the top of the charts argument that you've brought up is not the focus of this argument...it's actually not even really relevant. The focus was on mediocre popular white artists co-opting and using black music and culture to boost their own careers and popularity, and that is ALL. Did they meaningfully contribute to the culture? Did they give back to the people/communities in any way? Did they show some real appreciation and understanding for it, and a connection to it? No. It's all about them and boosting their own careers. And, there's a LONG history of white people, who are politically and socially privileged, as a whole, doing this to black artists/music. White people have a notorious history of jacking other people's cultures. You heard of Elvis Presely? Lol. This is not a new phenomenon. Am I saying that white artists can't be inspired by, and can't make music that has traditionally black roots? Of course not. But there is a difference between that, and simply just using another people's culture and music, simply for your own gain, and then discarding it when it is no longer of use to you. That's the problem I have with white artists like Katy Perry and Miley Cyrus. It just comes off as extremely distasteful and opportunistic, more than anything else. It also doesn't help the situation when someone like Katy Perry is making mean-spirited "jokes" about Barack Obama and calling black people who she went out with "n*ggas."  It all just comes off as disingenuous, in other words. And yeah, I sure as hell take issue with that.

 

[lairofhk 936]

 

4 hours ago, NCgaga said:

You actually don't get it. You are so defensive of the white provelege argument, which is valid in the right context, that you have forgotten what this is about. White privelege is not valid in this context.You brought race into this discussion by saying you are tired of "white mediocrity, and it pisses you off". So where were you when Rihanna became one of the most rewarded artist of the past decade? She beat out truly talented artists of different races with her mediocrity. The same goes for Drake another of the top 5 artist of the past decade. White privelege exist- but white mediocrity doesn't. Mediocrity in itself, regardless of race exists. If real talent shined through- than Gaga would be the most rewarded. But no, she is beaten by mediocrity constantly- with sells and awards. By people like Rihanna, Drake, Taylor etc. 

Mediocrity is successful because it doesn't swing too far to one particular side or genre. It doesn't take things to "the next level" in order not to lose fans or offend. But, mediocrity is not a racial issue- you're just trying to make it one, with no validity besides your own opinion- which has obviously drawn conclusions before actually looking up facts. Don't blame mediocrity on one race.

You keep coming back to the "Don't blame mediocrity on one race" thing. You keep missing the larger point, and I'm officially done here. Enjoy yourself. 

[NCgaga 4,345]

1 hour ago, lairofhk said:

 

You keep coming back to the "Don't blame mediocrity on one race" thing. You keep missing the larger point, and I'm officially done here. Enjoy yourself. 

Riighhhtttt. You started this argument with no merit. None. And now you're bowing out. Educate yourself before you try it next time. Thanks.