Bon Voyage: Katy Perry’s ‘Bon Appétit’ Crashes Out Of iTunes Top 100

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1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I genuinely am shocked. Partly because it's doing better in the UK than it is in the US. The song's hovered between #29-#32 on UK itunes since its been released, it's just doing this strange little dance every few hours. This is despite the fact that Migos have never had a hit here, most of us don't even know who they are. But in the US, they had a big #1 last year and yet their presence on Katy's song not only fails to make it chart well, it falls out the chart completely within a week. The entire charting week of this song has made me feel like I'm living in a dream. I have never seen Katy flop harder than an indie artist with a second single. It's like watching the birth of a unicorn.

This is a bad news for Katy's future radio support. She unfortunately peaked very early in her career, commercially speaking. Teenage Dream achieved the unprecedented feat of (including the re-issue tracks) 6 #1's and 2 top tens in the US. That really sets up an artist to be expected to get #1's for the rest of their career. Prism was wildly successful with its singles by most people's standards, with 2 #1's, 2 top 20's and 1 top 40. But by Katy's standards, that was a big step down from Teenage Dream. To go from 6 #1's to just 2, to go from 2 top ten's to 0 top tens, to start getting top 20's and top 40's as a normal occurrence. That suggested that her next album was going to suffer an even bigger step down, potentially lacking so much as one #1. And so far, that has proved right. CTTR was the first lead single of hers not to go #1 in the US or the UK and this second single has flopped worldwide in its debut week. This is a step down and a half. When an artist has two consecutive underperforming singles, this is normally when radio stops playlisting them and if they do playlist your next single, they drop you as soon as you start to drop on the charts, their support might only last a week. Gaga's gone through that for a few years already. Katy is in for a rude awakening any day now.

I just want to know what caused this massive downturn for her. She didn't do anything controversial, she was never a polarising figure like Gaga. Was her support for Hillary what caused it? Because Gaga performed at her rally and was publicly anti-Trump for a while and she's doing much better commercially right now. So, is that really the reason behind it? Have people just got bored of Katy's pop style or think she's too old now and not cool anymore? Has she just had her time in the limelight and is just going to fade away for no apparent reason? I'd just like to know.

This is a very thoughtful post. I think there are 2 main factors at work here that differeniate Gaga and Katy in terms of public standing. First, Gaga was a master of cultivating a huge, loyal fan base. This may not be enough to send every song #1, but it's enough to ensure strong pre-album single positions in terms of sales. PI still did pretty well first week in terms of sales because of fans. Katy openly mocked Gaga for saying she would die for her fans. I think this speaks volumes about her attitude towards her fan base. The katy fans are dwarfed by Gaga fans, but Katy had more GP support which worked for a while, but it's not a formula for longevity like Gaga's. All pop girls fade eventually, and then you have to rely on actual talent and your core fanbase.

Secondly, this is somewhat in the same vane, but everyone knows Gaga is a liberal and she has such a huge core fan base that the Hillary thing didn't hurt her much. Katy relies on the GP more, so the Hillary thing alienated a lot of the GP. 

Also, BA just isn't single material. The Migos feature was the nail in the coffin. Katy's pop song writing is no match for Gaga's. Katy tried to make BA her Government Hooker. But the lyrics are stale and the song is monotonous. Neither song is an earworm, but Government Hooker is a pop masterpiece. It is dynamic, robotic and grimy simultaneously, and is lyrically never a dull moment. She interweaves JFK/Marylin commentary and sexual empowerment flawlessly and the song is always entertaining (the laughs, the "iku iku", the moans). It's full of quirks that make the song interesting. The metaphors are actually intelligent. The BA lyrics just fall flat. The double entendres are basic, and she does nothing but sing a laundry list of them throughout the whole song. The instrumental is monotonous and really goes nowhere. The stars really didn't line up for Katy this time, and I don't think they will until she puts out a catchy tune. 

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17 minutes ago, swordstalker said:

This is a very thoughtful post. I think there are 2 main factors at work here that differeniate Gaga and Katy in terms of public standing. First, Gaga was a master of cultivating a huge, loyal fan base. This may not be enough to send every song #1, but it's enough to ensure strong pre-album single positions in terms of sales. PI still did pretty well first week in terms of sales because of fans. Katy openly mocked Gaga for saying she would die for her fans. I think this speaks volumes about her attitude towards her fan base. The katy fans are dwarfed by Gaga fans, but Katy had more GP support which worked for a while, but it's not a formula for longevity like Gaga's. All pop girls fade eventually, and then you have to rely on actual talent and your core fanbase.

Secondly, this is somewhat in the same vane, but everyone knows Gaga is a liberal and she has such a huge core fan base that the Hillary thing didn't hurt her much. Katy relies on the GP more, so the Hillary thing alienated a lot of the GP. 

Also, BA just isn't single material. The Migos feature was the nail in the coffin. Katy's pop song writing is no match for Gaga's. Katy tried to make BA her Government Hooker. But the lyrics are stale and the song is monotonous. Neither song is an earworm, but Government Hooker is a pop masterpiece. It is dynamic, robotic and grimy simultaneously, and is lyrically never a dull moment. She interweaves JFK/Marylin commentary and sexual empowerment flawlessly and the song is always entertaining (the laughs, the "iku iku", the moans). It's full of quirks that make the song interesting. The metaphors are actually intelligent. The BA lyrics just fall flat. The double entendres are basic, and she does nothing but sing a laundry list of them throughout the whole song. The instrumental is monotonous and really goes nowhere. The stars really didn't line up for Katy this time, and I don't think they will until she puts out a catchy tune. 

Well said! Bon Appetit is basic all the way around.

[theahsfan 13,822]

The song's doing terribly yet the biggest radio station here in the UK spins it at least 3-4 times a day just because it's Katy Perry. They played **** all from Joanne and it sucks. 

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2 hours ago, hausofgay said:

Rice #11

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2 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I genuinely am shocked. Partly because it's doing better in the UK than it is in the US. The song's hovered between #29-#32 on UK itunes since its been released, it's just doing this strange little dance every few hours. This is despite the fact that Migos have never had a hit here, most of us don't even know who they are. But in the US, they had a big #1 last year and yet their presence on Katy's song not only fails to make it chart well, it falls out the chart completely within a week. The entire charting week of this song has made me feel like I'm living in a dream. I have never seen Katy flop harder than an indie artist with a second single. It's like watching the birth of a unicorn.

This is a bad news for Katy's future radio support. She unfortunately peaked very early in her career, commercially speaking. Teenage Dream achieved the unprecedented feat of (including the re-issue tracks) 6 #1's and 2 top tens in the US. That really sets up an artist to be expected to get #1's for the rest of their career. Prism was wildly successful with its singles by most people's standards, with 2 #1's, 2 top 20's and 1 top 40. But by Katy's standards, that was a big step down from Teenage Dream. To go from 6 #1's to just 2, to go from 2 top ten's to 0 top tens, to start getting top 20's and top 40's as a normal occurrence. That suggested that her next album was going to suffer an even bigger step down, potentially lacking so much as one #1. And so far, that has proved right. CTTR was the first lead single of hers not to go #1 in the US or the UK and this second single has flopped worldwide in its debut week. This is a step down and a half. When an artist has two consecutive underperforming singles, this is normally when radio stops playlisting them and if they do playlist your next single, they drop you as soon as you start to drop on the charts, their support might only last a week. Gaga's gone through that for a few years already. Katy is in for a rude awakening any day now.

I just want to know what caused this massive downturn for her. She didn't do anything controversial, she was never a polarising figure like Gaga. Was her support for Hillary what caused it? Because Gaga performed at her rally and was publicly anti-Trump for a while and she's doing much better commercially right now. So, is that really the reason behind it? Have people just got bored of Katy's pop style or think she's too old now and not cool anymore? Has she just had her time in the limelight and is just going to fade away for no apparent reason? I'd just like to know.

I think bubblegum pop is not where it's at anymore, thus Katy kind of struggling to fit into the radio trend and seeming ~uncool~. Pop stars who dabble more in, and can pull off R&B like Rihanna and Ariana will have a much easier time right now, as well as "alt" and "indie" sounding girls like Halsey, Alessia Cara, and the practically anonymous vocalists that feature on male DJ tracks. 

I think this song might be doing better in the UK because of Radio 1 support (Katy is doing the Radio 1 festival), leftover momentum from CTTR, and the fact that Europe is more inclined to always support more pure pop leaning music even when it's not in fashion (like the Girls Aloud phenomenon in the mid aughts). 

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1 hour ago, redhoodieslime said:

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2 hours ago, swordstalker said:

This is a very thoughtful post. I think there are 2 main factors at work here that differeniate Gaga and Katy in terms of public standing. First, Gaga was a master of cultivating a huge, loyal fan base. This may not be enough to send every song #1, but it's enough to ensure strong pre-album single positions in terms of sales. PI still did pretty well first week in terms of sales because of fans. Katy openly mocked Gaga for saying she would die for her fans. I think this speaks volumes about her attitude towards her fan base. The katy fans are dwarfed by Gaga fans, but Katy had more GP support which worked for a while, but it's not a formula for longevity like Gaga's. All pop girls fade eventually, and then you have to rely on actual talent and your core fanbase.

Secondly, this is somewhat in the same vane, but everyone knows Gaga is a liberal and she has such a huge core fan base that the Hillary thing didn't hurt her much. Katy relies on the GP more, so the Hillary thing alienated a lot of the GP. 

Also, BA just isn't single material. The Migos feature was the nail in the coffin. Katy's pop song writing is no match for Gaga's. Katy tried to make BA her Government Hooker. But the lyrics are stale and the song is monotonous. Neither song is an earworm, but Government Hooker is a pop masterpiece. It is dynamic, robotic and grimy simultaneously, and is lyrically never a dull moment. She interweaves JFK/Marylin commentary and sexual empowerment flawlessly and the song is always entertaining (the laughs, the "iku iku", the moans). It's full of quirks that make the song interesting. The metaphors are actually intelligent. The BA lyrics just fall flat. The double entendres are basic, and she does nothing but sing a laundry list of them throughout the whole song. The instrumental is monotonous and really goes nowhere. The stars really didn't line up for Katy this time, and I don't think they will until she puts out a catchy tune. 

my eyes had so much precum when i was reading this.

they came multiple times by the of it.

love how u described GH. by far one of her best tracks in her whole carrer

[Batwings 12,885]

Do you think it's possible that the GP is just getting tired of Katy? These days, you have to be a chameleon to keep people's interest, and Katy really hasn't evolved at all since the TD era. Her aesthetic has been the same, her sound has been the same, and cutting her hair and going blonde isn't going to be enough. 

And for the record, I actually like Katy. I thought TD was a brilliant pop album, and I liked most of Prism, but everything she's done so far this era has been really lackluster and hasn't really showcased any growth as an artist. I think she needs to diversify. 

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4 hours ago, hausofgay said:

Thinking of You #29

Unconditionally #14

Birthday #17

TIHWD#24

Rice #11

Those are far from being major flops. Just underperforming singles compared to her top 10 strike. Bon Appetit is liteally bombing.

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8 hours ago, DelusionalGaga said:

Kinda sad. Usually her team is really good at picking singles, so this could mean that there are no better songs on that album 

Your analysis is flawless 

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Do you think they'll pull an Ariana "Focus" and Rih "Four Five Seconds" and somewhat revamp the album?

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1 minute ago, ZacharyMark said:

Do you think they'll pull an Ariana "Focus" and Rih "Four Five Seconds" and somewhat revamp the album?

I'm curious about this as well. As far as I know, no major announcements have been made about the album, right? Not even a title? They could go back to the drawing board. 

 

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1 minute ago, Batwings said:

I'm curious about this as well. As far as I know, no major announcements have been made about the album, right? Not even a title? They could go back to the drawing board. 

 

That'll probably be the case. The BA video still has to be released as well. 

But I don't see the actual album being released until June/July. 

Her team will eventually have to release a 3rd single/promo single just to get interest in Katy too.

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24 minutes ago, ZacharyMark said:

That'll probably be the case. The BA video still has to be released as well. 

But I don't see the actual album being released until June/July. 

Her team will eventually have to release a 3rd single/promo single just to get interest in Katy too.

Idk if they are giving up quite yet. She is doing SNL (May 20), BBMA (May 21), and Carpool Karoke (May 22). 

Its time for us to eat it up. Bon Appetite, baby!   

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3 hours ago, Batwings said:

I thought it was a cute bop at first, but after listening to it a few times, I realized that I'm just not that interested in hearing Katy Perry sing about receiving oral sex. Maybe other people feel the same way.

Literally this lol