Economy 53,128 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2017/05/02/trump-considering-raising-gas-taxes-to-pay-for-infrastructure/amp/ Trump says he is open to raising gas taxes in order to help pay for a $1 Trillion infrastructure package ------------- Ok, unless you surge those taxes big time, gas tax revenue is only gonna cover a fraction of those costs, just sayin. I love infrastructure spending but dont mislead ppl and make it sound like that will pay for most of it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeehawKylie 7,817 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Yet again, sticking it to those who he 'was supposed to help'. Not surprised, but as someone who commutes a reasonable distance to work, this will financially hurt me. There are plenty others who commute far distances to work due to a variety of reasons: some live at home still to save money, some can't afford to live where their work is located, etc. I understand infrastructure needs to grow, but as the OP points out, unless the tax is significant it will not cover the infrastructure needs. For someone who doesn't mind throwing our country into debt to build a wall, why providing decent infrastructure is so difficult...I don't know. I'm so done with this 'president' and 'administration' and anyone who voted them in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAstroLeo 14,459 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Infastructure as in the wall? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatislaps 34,854 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 rip USA Trump's gonna have an uprising on his 4ss Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
What About Us 1,499 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Well, it looks like my whole family is in for a rude awakening considering they all voted for Trump. Promise I'll always be there. Promise I'll be the cure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batwings 12,958 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Cutting taxes for the rich and then sticking it to the common man? I'm shocked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerQueen 1,983 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Oh please no... Please don't let this happen. Not looking forward to the $4.80 gas price like when Bush was in office... Lace up my boots, throw on some leather and cruise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,984 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, TheKillerQueen said: Oh please no... Please don't let this happen. Not looking forward to the $4.80 gas price like when Bush was in office... Didn't you vote for him? We all knew bad things were coming and now people are realizing it. Too late, folks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerQueen 1,983 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Just now, Morphine Prince said: Didn't you vote for him? We all knew bad things were coming and now people are realizing it. Too late, folks. I WAS going to vote for him. But I never got my ballot in on time. So I didn't participate into the election, but at the time I supported him, and I admit that. But now, I'm not a Trump Supporter. We would've been screwed either way though, but I will not go into detail. I'm not going to argue over politics. The people who have supported Trump in the beginning are starting to regret it, like myself. He definitely isn't president material. Lace up my boots, throw on some leather and cruise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 I can only support that. Higher gasoline prices leads to less greenhouse gas emission. It's also a very noticeable tax increase, one that will be felt by many and allows for good opposition from Democrats. Working on infrastructure is good. Tax increase leads to less debt The US is too cheap with gasoline anyways. $2.57 in the US ($2.10 in R states) for a gallon vs $6.30 in the Netherlands or $5.50 in most of Europe. Maybe the American culture of 'public transport is for the poor!', 'just an eight-hour ride, doable' and 'let me ride my kids to school/walmart/fitness/whatever that's only 1 mile away!' needs to change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 53,128 Posted May 5, 2017 Author Share Posted May 5, 2017 42 minutes ago, Luc said: I can only support that. Higher gasoline prices leads to less greenhouse gas emission. It's also a very noticeable tax increase, one that will be felt by many and allows for good opposition from Democrats. Working on infrastructure is good. Tax increase leads to less debt The US is too cheap with gasoline anyways. $2.57 in the US ($2.10 in R states) for a gallon vs $6.30 in the Netherlands or $5.50 in most of Europe. Maybe the American culture of 'public transport is for the poor!', 'just an eight-hour ride, doable' and 'let me ride my kids to school/walmart/fitness/whatever that's only 1 mile away!' needs to change. I dunno how much it will really lower it. The cost of gas doesnt change how much i gotta commute to work, or the grocery store etc. All it does is make me pay more Also unless fuel goes up a lot, its not gonna make the average person switch to electric yet as even with government rebates they are still expensive, more expensive to ensure, and batery milage in most models still sucks so most people wont buy them yet even with higher gas prices And its true in North America we drive for things 5 minutes away (only in really large cities like Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver people walk) But ppl have become culturally lazy and that wont easily change Also u have to understand suburbs in North America are not designed like the smaller cities in Europe In Portugal even cities of 100,000 u can get around easily to things near by... Here in Canada i live in Brampton a city in the suburbs of Toronto. Though we have over 600,000 people, things are made in seperate zones. Everything commercial, residential and industrial has its areas and doesnt mix much We have public transit but because of large distances its time consuming so only students or poor people resort to it. So, we pick up our cars and drive North American suburbia was not physically zoned and built to get around easy without a car. Higher gas prices wont change that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 15 minutes ago, Economy said: I dunno how much it will really lower it. The cost of gas doesnt change how much i gotta commute to work, or the grocery store etc. All it does is make me pay more Also unless fuel goes up a lot, its not gonna make the average person switch to electric yet as even with government rebates they are still expensive, more expensive to ensure, and batery milage in most models still sucks so most people wont buy them yet even with higher gas prices Or maybe you could walk/cycle to the grocery store and use public transport and a cycle for work? that's at least what most people here tend to do. Higher costs for riding a car means a reduction in CO2 emissions. Most Americans have less than 50$ in their pocket and a small change like this impacts their behaviour directly. One family trip less, a more energy-efficient car speed or just a bit more consciousness could be the result. It amazes me how it's normal for some people to sit in their car every day I try to prevent getting in a car as much as possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo 4,414 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 One more reason to drive electric! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,984 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 13 minutes ago, Luc said: Or maybe you could walk/cycle to the grocery store and use public transport and a cycle for work? that's at least what most people here tend to do. What you just proposed is laughable to most people who live in urban areas in North America. Actually, even rural areas. Cities, towns, and suburbs were designed with things being long distance. Most people's jobs aren't a bike ride away. The only things that are close to people at a walking distance are small stores and other businesses. If you live in the suburbs you need a car just to head into the city. For example, the closest large grocery store to me is probably a 30 minute walk away, but a 5 minute drive. Why would I not drive? Most people in my city who have stable jobs have a car. All the people I know my age have a car. People get cars here at 16. In a sense public transportation IS for low income people because everyone who can afford gas, a car, car insurance, etc. doesn't need to use public transportation. The only people I know of who use the bus system here are people who can't afford cars or just haven't invested in one. Furthermore it is much easier to get around with a car here with the great highways we have. A 30 minute drive on a commute could be 2 hours on a bus, a huge inconvenience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 53,128 Posted May 5, 2017 Author Share Posted May 5, 2017 28 minutes ago, Luc said: Or maybe you could walk/cycle to the grocery store and use public transport and a cycle for work? that's at least what most people here tend to do. Higher costs for riding a car means a reduction in CO2 emissions. Most Americans have less than 50$ in their pocket and a small change like this impacts their behaviour directly. One family trip less, a more energy-efficient car speed or just a bit more consciousness could be the result. It amazes me how it's normal for some people to sit in their car every day I try to prevent getting in a car as much as possible. I edited my post but i guess i didnt do it in time before u replied. I added more info... First of all North Americans are culturally lazy. That will be hard to change Secondly... our suburb cities are not designed like yours. I lived in Europe before (Portugal) and theres a big difference between What i saw in Portugal and What I see in Canada. Ur cities in Europe are easier to get around here Our older more populated cities like Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver is a bit different, ppl can walk to places... But in the suburbs like where i Live (Brampton, population: 600,000) everything is zoned into large sections of grid blocks for residential, commercial and Industrial and distances are often far yeah sometimes theres ramdom plazas, grocery stores or schools mixed near residences but most stuff is far appart Our cities were physically designed with the assumption that most people would have cars. Thats not easy to get around and taxes wont change that. Students or poor people resort to public transportation which is time consuming. Most people like me will just drive. I cant walk to most places cuz distances are not reasonable to walk on daily basis. And busing takes much longer than just driving. Our time counts too in our lives u know 😓 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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