New York becomes first state to offer tuition-free college for middle class

[Matangi 3,050]

2 hours ago, Saint Laurent said:

That was the precise answer I was looking for.

Well then, it's not the citizens' of NY's fault that you can't afford college and so they should not have to pay in order for you to go for free.

A right decision is still a right decision even if it is done late. your argument has no grounds tbh

[Saint Laurent 4,862]

Just now, Matangi said:

A right decision is still a right decision even if it is done late. your argument has no grounds tbh

Try reading the rest of the argument for your grounds 

[Matangi 3,050]

1 minute ago, Saint Laurent said:

Try reading the rest of the argument for your grounds 

i read the whole thing hun, your logic isn't sound. thats like saying because people in the past have struggled, there is no space for improvement for future generations.

[Morphine Prince 109,655]

Americans are so selfish they'd rather rot in school loans and medical bills before paying taxes that go to benefit someone else. 

The mentality here is so backwards. I feel like I truly don't belong in this country. Some of this **** is common sense in many European countries  

[Saint Laurent 4,862]

Just now, Matangi said:

i read the whole thing hun, your logic isn't sound. thats like saying because people in the past have struggled, there is no space for improvement for future generations.

Clearly you haven't because you're focusing on one minor point as opposed to the several other major points I made in a separate post.

[Saint Laurent 4,862]

3 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

Americans are so selfish they'd rather rot in loans and medical bills before paying taxes that go to benefit someone else. 

The mentality here is so backwards. I feel like I truly don't belong in this country. Some of this **** is common sense in many European countries  

But the point is that free education at this level is totally unnecessary. There are loan arrangements that would work far better.

See: England.

[JustinTrudeau 2,419]

I don't have a problem with free tuition and having more people have the option to go to school (it's very expensive and not everyone can afford it). We implemented something similar in Ontario last year, so we're now waiting to see results of free tuition (and I don't mind paying taxes for this). What I do have a problem is the society's idea that school always equal to jobs.

Unless you're studying to be a lawyer or a doctor, there are multiple ways to get your career. If you want to carve your own path, go ahead. If you want to go to school, go ahead. Just don't expect that a degree or diploma will get you anywhere without doing a little bit of extra work. What gets you a job is drive and motivation to put yourself on the map to employers. However, school does give you a boost in most cases. So make sure  you really want to go to school. Not everyone needs to go to school in my opinion, and not everyone thrive in theoretical environments like universities (I'm Canadian so colleges and universities are a bit different here than in the US). Colleges and trade schools are also valid options. It's a big decision, and make sure you (not your parents or teachers) are the one deciding what to do after high school. Good luck students of NY!

TLDR; Free tuition is great, but make sure you want to go to school. A bit off-topic, my bad. 

[Benji 20,113]

1 hour ago, Saint Laurent said:

But the point is that free education at this level is totally unnecessary. There are loan arrangements that would work far better.

See: England.

Our model makes the most sense.

For any Americans wondering what the UK does - It pays for your degree and gives you extra cash to pay for your living arrangements, materials and food etc. on loan. However you only start paying this loan once you are earning more than enough to live comfortably and the loan is written off once you retire, no matter how much is left.

[Born To Slay 10,996]

3 minutes ago, Benji said:

Our model makes the most sense.

For any Americans wondering what the UK does - It pays for your degree and gives you extra cash to pay for your living arrangements, materials and food etc. on loan. However you only start paying this loan once you are earning more than enough to live comfortably and the loan is written off once you retire, no matter how much is left.

I'd be cool with that system. Honestly, I'm happy about the NY plan because I'm going to college in 2018 and am relieved I won't drown in debt.

[The Fame Joanne 5,985]

9 minutes ago, Benji said:

Our model makes the most sense.

For any Americans wondering what the UK does - It pays for your degree and gives you extra cash to pay for your living arrangements, materials and food etc. on loan. However you only start paying this loan once you are earning more than enough to live comfortably and the loan is written off once you retire, no matter how much is left.

Nope, our model (Germany's) is far better

Universities are for free (no loan needed). Then we get money for an apartment, food etc. which is half a loan, half a gift, but you will never have to pay back more than 10.000€, so there's no way your debt will get too high. So even if they pay you 50.000€ over the years, you will only have to pay 10.000€ back (after you graduated and have a job ofc)

[Whispering 18,865]

5 hours ago, Gaga Monster said:

Personally, I have a problem with this. As a tax paying, NY citizen, we pay some of the highest taxes in the country. I don't want to pay for others  college, thats not my problem. Instead lower taxes so businesses and people don't leave this tax robbing state.

You are in high school, you don't pay taxes. Where are you going to go to college? The fact that CUNY and SUNY options are already moderately priced are "your" tax dollars at work. 

Do you go to a public or private high school? 

[Morphine Prince 109,655]

10 minutes ago, Whispering said:

You are in high school, you don't pay taxes. Where are you going to go to college? The fact that CUNY and SUNY options are already moderately priced are "your" tax dollars at work. 

Do you go to a public or private high school? 

Wait, he is in high school? 

I thought he was much older because he's said he is a tax paying business owner. 

[Whispering 18,865]

4 hours ago, Morphine Prince said:

Wait, he is in high school? 

I thought he was much older because he's said he is a tax paying business owner. 

That's the impression I got from past comments about his "social studies teacher", and others like that in the past. 

If not, he is in his first two years of college. I'm not sure what big taxes he is paying under these circumstances. 

[Luc 4,776]

7 hours ago, Saint Laurent said:

That's the price you have to pay in order to improve your career prospects. If you want a better career and a better salary, then you should have to pay to take advantage of the means to do so.

Higher education is only important for jobs, nothing else. We give people secondary education for free because otherwise everyone would be walking around like idiots not knowing how to form a sentence. The two are really quite different.

Hope is not the best thing to drive economic or education policies. 

More people with good education -> more productive jobs -> more production -> more prosperity.

If there's too many people going to college, they'll simply make college more difficult, eventually leading to the same amount of graduates with more skills, also leading to more prosperity.

I really don't get how conservatives manage to mind-yoga their way out of this. Free education for all is the key to achieving the famous 'American Dream' and good education for as many people as possible is the key to achieving more prosperity. Taxing the rich has also shown its positive effects on the economy in numerous cases (Minnesota for example). This is a win-win situation.

[Sizzily 14,571]

A little off topic I'm glad Tennessee has had free tuition of two year colleges cuz it's been nice.