BREAKING: Vehicle driven into people in Stockholm - 4 people dead

[Morphine Prince 109,655]

Just now, lego said:

 

I don't think our German members would like if we'd talk about their past every time white supremacist attacks an immigrant. 

 

If there is a white neo-Nazi attacking and I comment "I bet it's a German" I would have dozens of people quoting me insulting me and I would be banned from this site. 

[The Fame Joanne 5,985]

14 minutes ago, lego said:

 

Nope, go back and read it again 

 

11 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Firstly, my comment read "Most Nazis were German", not the other way around and it was in the past tense.

Secondly, I said it wasn't a serious point I was making. I was just emphasizing the pointlessness of these statements.

You then said, by my logic you could paint all Germans and Amercans as bigots. And that is in no way true, since I never said you can make a connection from the fact that a big part of terrorists are motivated by Islam, to those Muslims that are no terrorists, which is the vast majority

[MonsterPaws 2,745]

2 hours ago, Taka said:

Also he was so sure he said : "I'm betting it's a muslim."

 

Don't be brain washed by Media, ISIS has nothing to do with Muslims, they just do their nasty things in the name of Islam.

First of all, read my updated original reply. You assumed I believe all Muslims are terrorist which would be extremely unproductive given I AM Muslim myself. Born and raised in the UAE.

If I read my reply out loud back in high school/home/etc. I wouldn't get flacked and actually it would turn into a productive discussion on religion/politics, yet somehow here on a forum that is  predominantly not even Muslim I do?  Really? No offense to you (if you're not Muslim) and to other non-Muslim users, but this issue goes BEYOND "not all Muslims are terrorist!" which is in fact true. And issues like these go even beyond what any of you understand. There's no denying that not only does Islam need a modern reform, but more importantly Muslim and Arab culture.

I don't know if you're Arab or not, but if you are, then you're in self-denial if you believe the Arab and Islamic cultures in the Middle East are on par with Western cultures in terms of progressiveness. Again, coming from someone from the UAE (imo one of the most progressive countries in the Gulf). We are not progressive and reformed enough culturally to completely distance ourselves from incidents like these.

But I updated the reply to set up context, as I now see how wrong came off as pointed out by another user.

Much love.

[lego 44,165]

2 hours ago, xtifeh said:

hmm, how many terrorist attacks on Europe will it take for people to start realizing Islamic inclusion isn't such a good thing?

 

 

What are you suggesting? Camps? Persecution? It happened in Europe in the 90s. 

 

[Whispering 18,865]

1 hour ago, KingOfSpain said:

Yes, they can. Here the police, thanks to new laws made by politicians, investigates thoooouuuuusands of people coming from Muslim countries and the number of people who have been deported back to their contries is +5K. They won't ever attack anyone here. You know why? Because they're not here.

France and Italy have started o do it.

Sweden hasn't.

"They", meaning Muslims, are there:

As of 2016, Spain officially had 1,919,141 Muslims out of a total population of 46,438,422 or slightly above 4% of the total population. Out of these 1,115,124, or 58.7% were immigrants without Spanish citizenship. Spain's Muslim community includes 804,017 Spanish citizens (42% of total) and 753,425 Moroccan citizens (39.2% of the Muslim community and over 67.5% of Muslim foreigners). Other smaller communities include Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Algerians, Senegalese and Nigerians. As for Muslims with Spanish citizenship, in 2016 these included 277,409 naturalized citizens (mainly from Morocco), 430,990 descendants of naturalized citizens, 64,334 Ceuta/Melilla Muslims (naturalized by decree in the early 80s) and 23,624 were Spaniards of Catholic background who had converted to Islam for marriage or out of religious conviction.

You do know that all terrorists aren't refugees from Syria, right? 

[Morphine Prince 109,655]

1 minute ago, Whispering said:

"They", meaning Muslims, are there:

As of 2016, Spain officially had 1,919,141 Muslims out of a total population of 46,438,422 or slightly above 4% of the total population. Out of these 1,115,124, or 58.7% were immigrants without Spanish citizenship. Spain's Muslim community includes 804,017 Spanish citizens (42% of total) and 753,425 Moroccan citizens (39.2% of the Muslim community and over 67.5% of Muslim foreigners). Other smaller communities include Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Algerians, Senegalese and Nigerians. As for Muslims with Spanish citizenship, in 2016 these included 277,409 naturalized citizens (mainly from Morocco), 430,990 descendants of naturalized citizens, 64,334 Ceuta/Melilla Muslims (naturalized by decree in the early 80s) and 23,624 were Spaniards of Catholic background who had converted to Islam for marriage or out of religious conviction.

You do know that all terrorists aren't refugees from Syria, right? 

Holy crap the statistics and everything

[Erotica 34,925]

It is now confirmed that 4 people lost their lives and 15 got injured. One man has been arrested for being involved in the attack. It is not yet clear if there are several persons behind it.

[KingOfSpain 10,010]

6 hours ago, OliverViennese said:

This would apply if terror attacks could only be made by asylum seekers. You can't just send someone somewhere, when they were born, raised in your country and are a legal citizen. Like in the case of London. So again there are very limited options to prevent these things from happening and that's pretty much a fact.

Explain to me why there hasn't been even one attack in Spain while it's a country they recclaim as part of their State (ISIS) because most of the Iberian Peninsula was under Muslim rule for centuries.

[KingOfSpain 10,010]

4 hours ago, Whispering said:

"They", meaning Muslims, are there:

As of 2016, Spain officially had 1,919,141 Muslims out of a total population of 46,438,422 or slightly above 4% of the total population. Out of these 1,115,124, or 58.7% were immigrants without Spanish citizenship. Spain's Muslim community includes 804,017 Spanish citizens (42% of total) and 753,425 Moroccan citizens (39.2% of the Muslim community and over 67.5% of Muslim foreigners). Other smaller communities include Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Algerians, Senegalese and Nigerians. As for Muslims with Spanish citizenship, in 2016 these included 277,409 naturalized citizens (mainly from Morocco), 430,990 descendants of naturalized citizens, 64,334 Ceuta/Melilla Muslims (naturalized by decree in the early 80s) and 23,624 were Spaniards of Catholic background who had converted to Islam for marriage or out of religious conviction.

You do know that all terrorists aren't refugees from Syria, right? 

Authorities have investigated a lot of people, not just Syrians. As you said very well, there are not many Syrian people here (They are less than 4.000). But I wasn't talking about Syria... I was talking about the Muslim community.

Btw, Most of Ceuta and Melilla population are not Muslims lol. Melilla has been Spanish for 500 years and Ceuta for more than 400.

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7 hours ago, xtifeh said:

hmm, how many terrorist attacks on Europe will it take for people to start realizing Islamic inclusion isn't such a good thing?

Actually good inclusion is the one thing that would solve the problem  

[Whispering 18,865]

4 hours ago, KingOfSpain said:

Explain to me why there hasn't been even one attack in Spain while it's a country they recclaim as part of their State (ISIS) because most of the Iberian Peninsula was under Muslim rule for centuries.

Just the worst Islamist extremist terrorist attack in European history. 2004 ring a bell? 

[KingOfSpain 10,010]

1 hour ago, Whispering said:

Just the worst Islamist extremist terrorist attack in European history. 2004 ring a bell? 

The current terrorist crisis wasn't even a thing till 2012 lmao....

2004, that's exactly the year when everything changed here. We're proud of being a land without danger right now. Or at least we try, and it's working so far. Can't say the same thing if we talk about other countries.

Edit: PS, Two years ago, 50 people (all of them men between 20-40 years old) were deported from my region's capital city back to Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Egypt and Morocco after police noticed they were planning to hold conferences supporting Daesh. Their mosque and their shops were closed. They all lived in a the same quarter of city and girls and women couldn't even walk alone without being scared of them because they were always shouting and yelling at them horrible things. We don't want those values here. You won't found a quarter in any Spanish city full of those people, but you can see a lot of guettos in France, Belgium and the UK.

And everyone in the region is glad they're gone for good. Choices.

[Miley 5,006]

17 hours ago, ArtGagaPop said:

Are you ok? 
were you there when it happend? 

Thankfully I was in another city over the day. But I passed that road yesterday morning to get to the train station  But it took my 8 hours to get home  

[Qualle1 1,385]

Stockholm attack suspect was refused residency

The suspect behind the Stockholm truck attack had been facing deportation and had extremist sympathies, Swedish police say.

The 39-year-old Uzbek man is suspected of having driven a truck into a department store in the city on Friday.

His application for residency was rejected in June last year and he was being sought by immigration officials, police said.

Meanwhile, a second suspect has been placed under formal arrest.

Police said they were investigating the second suspect for a "terrorist crime [by committing] murder".

However, Reuters news agency said the person was arrested on "a lower degree of suspicion" than the first suspect.

Police have interviewed more than 500 people over the incident, Sweden's TT news agency reports.

The first suspect had applied for permanent residency in 2014, but this was rejected, and in December 2016 he was given four weeks to leave the country, police chief Jonas Hysing told a press conference.

The suspect then disappeared, and police began searching for him, Mr Hysing added.

Four people are confirmed to have died in the attack. Police have not released their identities, but said they were:

- Two Swedish nationals

- A Briton - named by his family as 41-year-old Chris Bevington

- One Belgian national

- Another 15 people were injured.

The truck, hijacked from a beer company, was driven into Ahlens department store in the capital on Friday afternoon.

No terrorist group has claimed to be behind the attack.

The first suspect, who has not been named, was known to the security services and was arrested later on Friday.

He had been seen only as a "marginal character", National Police Commissioner Dan Eliasson said.

Police say the man was known to have expressed sympathy for groups including so-called Islamic State.

Sweden has taken in nearly 200,000 refugees and migrants in recent years - more per capita than any other European country.

However, there was a drop in numbers last year after the country introduced new border checks.

Separately, Sweden is believed to have the highest number of Islamic State group fighters per capita in Europe.

About 140 of the 300 who went to Syria and Iraq have since returned, leaving the authorities to grapple with how best to reintegrate them into society.

On Sunday, thousands of people gathered in central Stockholm for a "Lovefest" vigil against terrorism, and laid flowers outside the Ahlens shop in tribute.

Source:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39545642

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