gagajandro25 6,103 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 From Digital Spy: Streaming (and Ed Sheeran) have ruined the charts Maybe it's time to axe the chart altogether? Back in the day, if a single stayed at number one for more than five weeks, let alone ten, it was a big deal. Bryan Adams and Wet Wet Wet's record-smashing number ones in the '90s made the actual news. Flash-forward to 2016, and we had Drake's 'One Dance'. A song that made it to FIFTEEN WEEKS at number one in July – narrowly missing out on Bryan's chart record of 16 weeks. It's not even Drake's best song. It might not even make his top five best songs. Rihanna's 'Umbrella' hung on at number one for eight weeks in 2008 because it was a bloody brilliant pop song. This is just... meh. But that wasn't the worst moment in chart history! In March 2017, something happened which made a total and utter mockery of the charts as a whole. When Ed Sheeran released his third album Divide this week, the entire album plus bonus tracks entered not just the top 40, but the top 20. All but four of the top 20 are new Ed Sheeran songs. What a mess. So how did this happen? Was there really nothing else out at the time that could've stopped him? Nope. It's not the competition, it's the technology. Streaming has ruined everything Basically, it's all streaming's fault. Since online streams on services like Spotify and Deezer were included in summer 2014, they've brought the chart to a standstill. You'll find the same familiar faces in the Top 10 each week. It's not uncommon these days for the Top 5 to stay exactly the same for weeks on end. No movement, no new entries, nothing. Bloody boring. Many Spotify users simply play Spotify's curated playlists or the 'UK Top 50' playlist of the most popular songs around right now. Over and over. This means it takes yonks for songs to finally go away or to allow others to have a bloody turn. And it depends on Spotify's algorithm. How are streams calculated anyway? 150 streams equal 1 sale. It seems like a really arbitrary number, and hard to compare to a simple sale of a download. At least streaming is capped at 10 plays per person per day, so only 70 of your plays can be counted each week, meaning the most you can contribute per week is 0.47 of a sale. But think how many people use Spotify nowadays. It adds up quickly. Streaming isn't the same as sales You could say that streaming is similar to when downloads were included alongside physical sales for the first time. But at least a download equals one sale in the exact same way that a physical copy equals one sale. If anyone downloaded a song more than once to manipulate the chart, it was their problem – they spent their money on it. With streaming, it's far too up in the air for chart nerds to accept. The difference between a sale of a download (or CD, remember them?) and a stream is that that listener may not have actually chosen to stream that song. They didn't necessarily go out of their way to track that song down because they loved it. They didn't necessarily part with their cash for it. 'One Dance' could be on many playlists created by Spotify and other users. It's just not the same thing. It wasn't as if we then counted how many times a CD was played once it was bought – they can't be compared. It would be fine if somehow the rules only allowed a stream to count if: the user actually clicked on a song rather than it being part of a playlist/album all the songs played were part of a playlist that the user created themselves That way, all the streams would at least be down to the listeners' choice rather than just songs they happened to listen to. A lot of these songs may have been playing when they were on the bog and left Spotify running. For whatever reason, Drake did not put out an official music video, lyric video or audio on YouTube, unlike pretty much every other artist. This means that 'One Dance' is particularly massive on streaming, as there's no proper audio of the song on YouTube at all. So, if you want to listen to it, you have to stream it or buy it. If this was a deliberate move by Drake or his record company, then it's an admittedly a genius way to game the charts. But it'll get to the point where artists just won't bother making a video anymore. Just stick it on Spotify and see the magic happen. There wasn't anything else out to challenge it. There wasn't a true "song of the summer" like 'Get Lucky' or 'Blurred Lines' to rival it. What if you took away streaming? You might not realise it, but the Official Charts Company does actually provide a weekly chart of pure sales without streams – it's just not the "official" official chart that Radio 1 plays each Friday. In that chart – you know, the chart before streams ruined it – Drake was only number 14 on Friday, July 15. And he hadn't been number one since April. He was No.1 on that "no streaming" chart for four weeks, and the likes of Justin, Calvin and even Kungs vs Cookin' on 3 Burners topped the rundown in that time. That makes a whole lot more sense. Instead, we all have to pretend that boring old Drake was number one for 15 boring weeks. It's now almost impossible for new artists to break through into the mainstream without some kind of luck, severe promotion or being featured with someone else. Unless you're a generic dance artist - then it seems to be fine. And you have artists of certain genres and ages who just can't get near the top end of the charts anymore. The reason? Because their core fanbase – while still pretty big – just don't stream anywhere as much as younger folk. That's why you'll see the likes of Robbie Williams, Kylie Minogue, Olly Murs or Lady Gaga near the top of the downloads/sales chart, but hardly making a dent in the full chart with streaming. Maybe that'll change in time, but who knows? In conclusion, if Drake had equalled or even overtaken Bryan Adams, it would have been a sad day indeed. Not because we don't want old records to be broken, but because he just hasn't earned it. And now that the Ed Sheeran moment has happened (and it will happen again if things don't change), the chart is looking increasingly pointless. The days of nerdily following the chart are dead. Unless the OCC make the brave decision of removing streaming from the main chart following this experiment, they might as well just can the whole thing entirely. -- I put this in Gaga Thoughts because it does name drop her and her situation on today's charts. She does amazingly in today's music climate sales/downloads-wise but struggles on the charts because of streams. This article in many ways speaks towards Gaga's career right now in a streaming-dominated world. Lady Gaga is a legend and you will deal with it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBEY 57,109 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 They better make changes before LG6 drops Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florian 19,956 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 AMEN ! This author expressed everything I hate about streamings and charts. AMEN ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagajandro25 6,103 Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 This is a great read with many valid points. I tried to cut it down as much as I possibly could so it wasn't too long to read while keeping the main points. I also loved how it mentioned Gaga and her current situation. Please read and share your thoughts. Lady Gaga is a legend and you will deal with it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Hollywood 37,364 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 16 minutes ago, perfectdance said: It's now almost impossible for new artists to break through into the mainstream without some kind of luck, severe promotion or being featured with someone else. Unless you're a generic dance artist - then it seems to be fine. The Carcinogens are shaking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagajandro25 6,103 Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 Just now, Saint Hollywood said: The Carcinogens are shaking TEA Lady Gaga is a legend and you will deal with it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
androiduser 7,438 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 the only reason we're complaining is because Gaga does not benefit from the new streaming rules....if she did, we'd be fine with it....like we were fine with discounts, radio deals, the amazon deal etc. c'mon, let's be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toph 375 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 1 minute ago, androiduser said: the only reason we're complaining is because Gaga does not benefit from the new streaming rules....if she did, we'd be fine with it....like we were fine with discounts, radio deals, the amazon deal etc. c'mon, let's be honest. Did you read the article Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florian 19,956 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 1 minute ago, androiduser said: the only reason we're complaining is because Gaga does not benefit from the new streaming rules....if she did, we'd be fine with it....like we were fine with discounts, radio deals, the amazon deal etc. c'mon, let's be honest. Talk for yourself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sipthistea 21,099 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Who cares about charts these days? We are indie fans of an indie artist called Joanne. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagajandro25 6,103 Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 1 minute ago, androiduser said: the only reason we're complaining is because Gaga does not benefit from the new streaming rules....if she did, we'd be fine with it....like we were fine with discounts, radio deals, the amazon deal etc. c'mon, let's be honest. We're complaining? I did not write this article, the Digital Spy did. And I agree that streaming has ruined the charts. Yes Gaga may not be a steaming force yet, but that doesn't change the fact that streaming rules are ruining the charts. If Gaga was slaying thanks to streaming we'd love it, but it still wouldn't be right. It's not fair to actual sales and streams and it greatly skews the chart. Lady Gaga is a legend and you will deal with it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sipthistea 21,099 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, androiduser said: the only reason we're complaining is because Gaga does not benefit from the new streaming rules....if she did, we'd be fine with it....like we were fine with discounts, radio deals, the amazon deal etc. c'mon, let's be honest. We're complaining because the music that tops the charts is NOT good music, it's just catchy music without meaning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagaplayer315 14,010 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Music not the stream, make it happen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagajandro25 6,103 Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 1 minute ago, sipthistea said: Who cares about charts these days? We are indie fans of an indie artist called Joanne. dddDDDD Lady Gaga is a legend and you will deal with it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ares 808 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I agree, something has to be done, or at least they shouldn't accept streams from companies that show clear bias towards artists, ex spotify's dislike Gaga Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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