CTTR vs MR Fan Double Standards?

[Economy 45,763]

2 hours ago, Whispering said:

That's an excuse. People are and have bought other songs. Other songs aren't struggling to stay in the top five or ten, despite their streaming numbers. 

Yes, the top spot gets less numbers now, but it is still the top spot. Katy isn't the only one looking at smaller numbers, every artist is. She is, however, underperforming with her debut single. 

Yea but her demographics count too. Her type of fans and their age they are have moved on beyond sales

[Economy 45,763]

2 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

If Katy were an indie artist, this song would be considered a good hit. But she's not, she's a worldwide superstar, who has multiple #1 singles, millions of overall sales, millions in touring sales, a permanent fixture on radio whenever she releases. With all that preceding her, this single should be doing so much better right now. Her last era was successful, she had 2 massive hits last era (the videos are even more massive), the tour she did with it was her most successful yet, radio has always supported her, she's just come back from a long break, she has a Spotify deal, this is a lead single, it's written by Max Martin and Sia. This song should have smashed by default with all that riding on it. It was made for the charts. We see it all the time - singers with sub-par lead singles getting a hit because of name recognition. Good or bad music, this is a Katy Perry lead single co-written by Max Martin and Sia. That should be chart gold. And it isn't.

So, in comparison, Gaga seems to have the upper hand. She just went top 5 with a second single that was a ballad, that didn't have generic songwriters co-writing it, months after release. That is amazing for an artist who's fallen out of chart favour as much as Gaga has. Remember that Katy's ballads have never been huge unless they've come from a big hit era like TD. That's why she rarely releases ballads. This is Gaga's first ever ballad released as a single and it's doing better than the average Katy Perry ballad and is currently out-performing Katy's lead single. After everything Gaga's been through, I think we're entitled to a bit of gloating. Sure, MR isn't a smash, it's a moderate hit, nowhere near the level of Pokerface, Bad Romance, etc. but its Gaga's first decent hit in a while amist a whole bunch of struggling popstars into the bargain. Forgive us indulging in a bit of smugness for a moment.

This is relevant though because radio and streaming services supporting a song is a big part of what makes a song a hit. If your lead single underperforms, it's usually because radio didn't support it. But Katy's song is underperforming in spite of radio supporting it. This is extremely unusual for her. In fact, this has never happened to her. The only time Katy's singles have flopped (Thinking Of You, Unconditionally, Birthday, This Is How We Do) is when radio didn't support them. Katy with radio support was always unstoppable until now. What we're saying is that radio support isn't enough to guarantee success for her anymore. That is a big deal for Katy who has never experienced a flop lead single and certainly not in spite of radio support. It's all about standards. By Katy's standards, this lead single is a flop thus far. It's in its early days so at the moment, it's merely in the underperformance category, but if it doesn't start picking up in the next few weeks, it'll be downgraded to flop.

Katy's fanbase has been anything but casual. Her singles have always sold immensly well with only a handful of exceptions. Especially in the US, she's a singles monster over there. You don't get 6 #1's and 2 top 10's from one album with a casual fanbase. All her lead singles (including Part of Me) went to #1 in the UK until now. I'm questioning where her loyal fanbase has gone if #7 is the best they can give her. Just because her fanbase has not shown their support for this single quite as strongly doesn't mean that they're casual. They're just not feeling this song. Considering that they've supported every lead single that came before it without question, this is worrying.

Radio itself IS a part of a songs success in itself tho. Its not seperate

 

plus strong streaming numbers

 

Its hasnt exploded like Roar did right away, but given that its surging on radio (radio has expired already) and momentum continues, seems to be catching on just fine

[Whispering 18,865]

1 minute ago, Economy said:

Yea but her demographics count too. Her type of fans and their age they are have moved on beyond sales

Whatbare Katy's Demographics in the US? What are their age? 

[Economy 45,763]

57 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Whatbare Katy's Demographics in the US? What are their age? 

Well id say probably younger than Gagas for starters

[Whispering 18,865]

2 hours ago, Economy said:

Well id say probably younger than Gagas for starters

What age group and demo does Katy have...that can't get her debut song to number one? 

[Ronk 14,334]

2 hours ago, Economy said:

Well id say probably younger than Gagas for starters

Given the imagery in Katy's Super Bowl, I'd say quite a bit younger than Gaga's.

[FGGrayson 9,670]

Sis, Spotify is doing everything for her, she has a huge deal, she's in every list while Gagz barely do it to some flop playlist, of course she's gonna be higher on streaming, let's not

[HEARTSTOP 3,134]

I don't know why you try to compare the radio/streaming success of a ballad against a radio-oriented pop song.

Million Reasons is doing great for a song that was never intended to even go to the radio. A-Yo was the one supposed to go there, yet people showed some more interest towards Million Reasons sales-wise, which made Gaga turn it into a single.

Chained to the Rythm's only purpose since its conception was to be a hit among the youngsters who listen to radio/Spotify. Having Sia as a writer wasn't a coincidence, she is a specialist in making big radio hits. The producer wasn't a coincidence either. Heck, they even pulled the most common trick for radio success of a pop song: a rap/reggae collaboration.

While some people on this site can be a bit nasty towards Katy, there's also some people trying to dismiss Gaga's success. It's stupid either way, but considering the original purpose of each song, Million Reasons is doing much better.

And if you feel bad for Katy's fans, don't. Their fansites are full of people saying Million Reasons is garbage and Gaga is the most untallented and undeserving pop artist out there. So, just rejoice the music and disregard others' opinions on what you should like or not.

[Nemo 4,152]

If we're going to quibble over the definition of "hit", I don't see why radio should be included at all. "Hit" suggests broad popularity, while success on radio is determined by a very narrow[-minded] set of people. I'm not talking here about payola -- an accusation which I think is thrown around way too much, without evidence -- but just the fact that radio is controlled by only a few individuals, and seems largely immune to requests. They decide what they want to play, for their own reasons.

(Those reasons could be payola, but they don't have to be. They could be something like "this song doesn't fit the sound we want for our station", or even "Million Reasons is a downer". In most cases, we don't know what they're thinking. (And when they do tell us, it's often pretty stupid. But I digress.))

[Katharine Hepburn 4,607]

Katy went off the back of a sold old major world tour and album with 2 number 1s.

Gaga went off the back of Cheek to Cheek and ARTPOP 

[Economy 45,763]

11 hours ago, Whispering said:

What age group and demo does Katy have...that can't get her debut song to number one? 

Debuting at #1 is hard for anyone even Perry. Gaga herself only did it once too. Doing it once doesnt mean it should become an expectation. I was talking about sales specifically

[Economy 45,763]

9 hours ago, frankgutz said:

Sis, Spotify is doing everything for her, she has a huge deal, she's in every list while Gagz barely do it to some flop playlist, of course she's gonna be higher on streaming, let's not

Well... true she has a deal with them i wont dispute that

 

But as for MR... it wont be added unless it becomes a big hit. Thats for every song, u cant blame spotify

 

1 week in top 10 after a discount and superbowl doesnt count. Its gotta keep rising on radio and remain in top 20 for sometime before going into any top hits list

[Paper Gangsta 6,693]

thing is people wrote Gaga off and contrary Katy was supposed to be singles queen. She's only doing okay now cause of forced radio and spotify payola and that clearly isn't translating into the sales. Has MR got spotify and radio promo CTTR got it would smash way harder. 

I mean CTTR is to katy what Applause was to Gaga. Applause is supposed to be a hit when u look at all numbers but if you compare it to the previous era decline is obvious.

CTTR is a flop, only thing saving her is cause you can't just randomly drop into the floppage, if you still had some hype left from the previous era, but if something doesn't change next era she will be in situation Gaga is now

[Paper Gangsta 6,693]

40 minutes ago, Economy said:

But as for MR... it wont be added unless it becomes a big hit. Thats for every song, u cant blame spotify

not really, if you look at the TTH playlist you would notice bunch of flops

[Manul 7,377]

All I know is that streams shouldnt count towards charts.