Daredevil 2,133 Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 why does it matter? I'm bisexual too. I vividly remember having straight fantasies, but lately I've been craving d*ck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombie 1,218 Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 17 hours ago, Werk said: I don't think Gaga did it for marketing but it seems to still be the trend for female singers to come out as bi. Im glad Britney never did that, if we think she is one of the few honest popstars Beyoncés career and image is way too clean for that on the other hand Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMB 465 Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 17 hours ago, Werk said: I don't think Gaga did it for marketing but it seems to still be the trend for female singers to come out as bi. I can only think of 3 off the top of my mind that have stated they're bi in the last couple of years. 🤔 1 hour ago, kupo said: You're making sense, and I get where you're coming from; I just think you're being needlessly dogmatic and stern with how you define bisexual, when one of the aims of the whole queer movement has been to recognize the inherent complexity and irreducibility of human sexuality and romantic attraction. Please note that lots of organizations and resources recognize the hazy boundary of this label, and many recognize that sexual attraction to the same sex (independent from romantic attraction) can be classified as bisexuality. There's really no evidence or reason to challenge Gaga's self-identification unless she says something's changed. Thank you for saying that. I wrote a post last night saying the same thing but the site ate it and I gave up. The general point was a question on why people are trying to force people into specific labels? In the 1st place why do people need to label themselves? So that it makes others more comfortable? In the 2nd who exactly is going to come up with a label for every complex aspect of human sexuality and attraction and the fluidity that can occur through a person's lifetime? Will that be presented somewhere by academics since for some reason they are apparently more informed than the people who are labeling themselves and people bar coded to identify themselves? It's absurd. Nothing is static and yes that means academia and definitions. I don't care what academia says. If a woman is sexually attracted to women, has had sex with another woman, liked/loved it and wants to continue having sex with other women and wants to label herself as bisexual then so be it. That also doesn't preclude her from possibly having a romantic relationship with another woman in the future. Even if she never wants to do that it still doesn't negate her sexual attraction to other women or even maybe just 1 woman. The same goes for men. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,847 Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 I think Gaga's totally telling the truth. But the other ones either rushed to label themselves too early or were flat-out lying. Jessie seemed genuine but I think she put a label on herself too early and then ended up looking bad. Nicki was totally lying and basically said as much. Halsey I'm really sceptical about since I've never seen anything to prove that she is. Kesha and Miley are a grey area but totally believable. I'd also be willing to believe Azealia Banks. Lauren from 5H is still too new to really decide where she truly stands. There was definitely a trend going on ever since Gaga rose to fame of females coming out as bisexual, one of the many trends she started. I think their labels even encourage them to do it, which is really messed up. I think we've got into a really weird debate over what constitutes being bi here, though. I've never seen someone get accused of not being bi because they've never been in love with someone of the same gender, despite being happy to have sex with them. What do you think the "sex" part of an orientation is referring to? The most obvious example of same sex attraction is being willing to have sex with the same gender. We actively acknowledge that you can have sex with someone without being in love with them, if that's your bag. So, why is it when it's same sex attraction, suddenly, it gets all dogmatic with strict rules about sexual and romantic attraction? If a straight person has sex with people they don't love, are they are different kind of straight person to one who also does it with people who they're in love with? No, their lifestyle is different but their orientation isn't. I don't see why bisexuality should be any different. I call myself bicurious because I'm not interested in having actual sexual intercourse or any genital contact with a woman but I'd be totally up for anything else. I also don't want to be romantically involved with a woman (but realise that it's possible that I may make an exception for one woman one day). I'd only be bisexual if I wanted sex with women, which I don't. Not all bisexuals do everything 50/50 all the time and if they did, that's not very natural. Some do lean more towards one than the other and that's ok. What's sad is when people who've never had any sexual experience having their bisexuality questioned (even though straight people can say they're straight without experience and no one's sceptical). What's also sad is when someone comes out as bi, has their first relationship with the same gender and then promptly falls in love with someone of the opposite gender, settle down with them and then have their bisexuality deemed 'a phase.' Sexuality isn't meant to be so strict and labels don't always take in situations and overall complexities. Don't get me wrong, feel free to call out the girl who says "I'm totally bi" after she kissed a girl for male attention at a party. But be a bit more open minded towards someone who says their bi but dates the opposite gender more than the same gender or seem to be more romantically attracted to the opposite gender. Not every bisexual person has the same lifestyle, just like not every straight person has the same lifestyle. The lifestyle is different, not the orientation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daydream 541 Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 5 hours ago, kupo said: You're making sense, and I get where you're coming from; I just think you're being needlessly dogmatic and stern with how you define bisexual, when one of the aims of the whole queer movement has been to recognize the inherent complexity and irreducibility of human sexuality and romantic attraction. Please note that lots of organizations and resources recognize the hazy boundary of this label, and many recognize that sexual attraction to the same sex (independent from romantic attraction) can be classified as bisexuality. There's really no evidence or reason to challenge Gaga's self-identification unless she says something's changed. I read a couple of these articles, but I am still not convinced. A lot of people bring up that there is a spectrum in bisexuality but how can this be? The Kinsey scale never claimed to represent different sexual orientations, but how people engage in different sexual activities. However, this does not mean that their sexual activities represent their sexual orientation. This is why bisexuality as a sexual orientation cannot be exclusive to only sexual activity. By this definition, then Madonna must be bisexual because she dates men but had sex with women in her sex book even though she has never labelled herself as such. However, in Madonna's defense, she can have sex with as many women as she wants because she knows that it is a partialism attraction where the female body arouses her, but not the woman behind the body. Sure, there are straight people that hook-up with with the opposite sex just for sex, but they can still picture themselves with the opposite sex beyond just sexual attraction. This goes back to my point about having sex with the same sex for their own pleasure but will never be in a relationship with one when bisexuality is the expression of love towards both sexes just as heterosexuality is the expression of love towards the opposite sex and homosexuality is the expression of love towards the same sex. There is nothing dogmatic or static when that is the definition by academic scholars. Even the definition of love is a hybrid of romance, lust, and intimacy. Without all three, there is no sexual orientation, therefore, attraction predominantly based on sexual attraction due to parts of the male or female body cannot be bisexual, that is a partialism or a fetish attraction. My issue with Gaga is that she labels herself bisexual just because she had sex with the female body, but has never expressed the desire to be in a relationship with a woman beyond her body (whether verbal or non-verbal). It also does not make sense to me how can she be provocative and present controversial imagery of bisexual actions to the public but can never present bisexuality as a representation of honest and authentic relationship and love in her visuals or her lyrics. It has either been heteronormative or purely sexual, just like Madonna and many of the other pop girls. I do not think it is a marketing ploy per se, but just her expressing her sexual desires as a straight woman that likes to experiment with other female bodies without ever acknowledging the women behind the bodies. I am glad we had this intellectual and thoughtful discussion, but I will have to shake your hand from here and agree to disagree. I am not claiming that bisexuality does not exist, but I do believe that people often mislabel themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyJudas 2,758 Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 http://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/music/2012/09/05/nicki-minaj-admits-she-lied-about-being-bisexual Nicki has admitted to lying about her bisexuality though :P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imnotyourbabe10 6,100 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 It's all good however she identifies but it can seemingly be said that society makes it somewhat acceptable for women to be more fluid in their sexualities, whereas men cannot fluctuate as much or as easily. ("Kissing Jessica Stein" is a good film example of this idea). And when men or women fluctuate/go same-sex, there is a kind of commodification of it...like how straight men often find two women attractive or like AHS: Hotel's Grindr scene with the hipster bi-guy. [Oh how I wish Murphy was parodying Grindr/technology and the faux-fluidity of hipsters...instead he ended up reifying it and the masculine body...oh well!] [I'm not speaking to men's rights or whatever, to be clear...I'm a feminist speaking to an observation of sexual fluidity]. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miel 15,009 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 All very interesting points on this thread. Nice. Kind of off-topic, but a lot of Joanne gave me queer girl vibes. I don't know if it's because of this sort of off-hand embodiment of what she perceives as masculinity via her father, or she was just being extra queer. 3 points in and ready for more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink sushi 4,351 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 On 1/7/2017 at 7:43 PM, Daydream said: She has talked about Lüc Carl and Robert Fusari prior to Taylor Kinney... Again, she has never addressed liking a woman romantically. I'm just gonna leave this here.... Were they in a relationship? Probably not.... But you HAVE to admit....Gaga and Tara were more than "just friends". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoxo cupcakke 4,781 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Personally, I wouldn't say that it's a trend or a marketing ploy, but I will say that plenty of these female musicians claiming bisexuality is more or less a result of having an uninhibited sexuality and appreciation for the female form. That's socially acceptable, but if a man behaves similarly, their thoughts and actions are seen as emasculating. It's a weird double-edged sword, but it only exists because of the backward social conscience that women are weak and don't know what they want, but men do; sure Western Society Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GANJA 167 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 On 1/7/2017 at 7:39 PM, Supersonic said: Ever wonder why Gaga stopped talking about her bisexuality? Because some gays are trying their darndest to prove that she's lying. It's tiring defending yourself continuously over and over again, especially when you have to defend your identity against somebody who is actually one of your people and should know better. She shouldn't have to prove to you that she's bisexual. Nobody should have to. This is like when David Bowie came out as bisexual, everyone annoyed him about it and he said coming out was the biggest mistake of his life. But on topic: I think a lot of female performers were just experimenting but labelling themselves way too early, only to realize (Jessie J for example). David Bowie was not bisexual. He just used bisexuality to create controversy like some girls are doing nowadays. In his own words: “I didn’t ever feel that I was a real bisexual.” “That was just a lie. They gave me that image,” “I think I was always a closet heterosexual.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daydream 541 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 2 hours ago, pink sushi said: I'm just gonna leave this here.... Were they in a relationship? Probably not.... But you HAVE to admit....Gaga and Tara were more than "just friends". You literally just contradicted yourself and made my point more evident "I don't think they were in a relationship but look at Tara giving an innocent kiss to Gaga's forehead, you have to admit that this gif represents the complexities of sexuality within the bisexuality spectrum and thus this means that they were more than just friends." A gif of Tara kissing her forehead has nothing to do with bisexuality and it's quite laughable that you would think it is. Not to be insolent, but I'm trying to contain my laughter because you literally believe this gif is the truth and core evidence of Gaga's bisexuality. Madonna has literally had a threesome with women in her sex book and she still does not refer to herself as bisexual because she knows the difference between a woman that loves men but has sex with women and a woman that loves both men and women. I'm not saying that a bisexual person cannot prefer to date men or women for whatever reason, but they must at least be able to visualize themselves building a foundation and relationship with both men and women beyond just sex, otherwise it just falls under the category of partialism and fetish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 On 1/7/2017 at 8:04 PM, Daydream said: That's not how bisexuality is defined, especially in academia. Bisexuality is defined as a person that is attracted to both men and women romantically and sexually. Your definition is simply a straight person that gets aroused by homosexual behaviour. The American Medical Association defines bisexuality as a person that is attracted to both sexes romantically and/or sexually. You left the OR out. By American medical standards Gaga is bisexual. She is attracted sexually to both sexes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
666 others 1,856 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 My takeaway from all these is it's best to take people's words at face value regarding their sexual orientation, and it makes no sense to buy someone's music just because they are gay/straight/bi. If singers lie about their sexual orientation, it's because they know/assume that there are people who would buy their work solely based on that information. If they are lying, let them. Just don't let your judgement of their work be based on their sexual orientation. :holyshit: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorothy Gale 7,575 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 For ggd users (the majority of which are completely homosexual males), it's easy to think that Gaga is not bi due to her dating men. But it's biphobic to try to define someone's sexuality. Just because someone doesn't have interest in having romantic relationships with a specific sex doesn't mean they aren't bi. Some guys have relationships with women and are uncomfortable with the idea of dating a guy, but wouldn't mind being with a guy occasionally. The same can be said for women. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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